Public anger grows over coronavirus in Thailand, with eight cases of the illness

[DrTuner]

17 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Don't laugh. But imagine this scenario: Wonder if China already has a vaccine available and just waiting for this thing to spread?  Once outside China, the Chinese could then hold everyone for ransom, if they wanted to live. Meanwhile, China doesn't care if a few million of their own die. Might even welcome it. Remember, Wuhan has two labs linked to China's bio-warfare program.

Sounds like commie 101, but I don't think that's the case. If they were doinf that they'd have sent a lot more carriers to major hubs around the world weeks ago. No sign of that.

[berrec]

12 hours ago, AlexJohanson said:

Thai Health Authorities confirm two more cases of Coronavirus in Thailand, including a case in Hua Hin. They have stressed the fact that five of the eight have fully recovered and returned to China and the other three are being treated in good condition and urged the public to stay calm.

"If it reaches a point where public health is in danger, we will take (more) action," Anutin said, adding that the government would not prioritise tourism revenue over health".

 

OMG...........so you morons in government don't think that right now the public health is in danger?

 

Typical Thailand attitude to an issue, make a big announcement about it and then sit back and wait for the S### to hit the fan.

 

You just can't make this stuff up about the idiots running the country in Thailand!

[URMySunshine]

My nieces in Pattaya tell me the Chinese tour groups are staying put at their hotels because they can't fly back. Is this true ?

Edited January 27, 2020 by URMySunshine

[Chrysaora]

1 minute ago, URMySunshine said:

My nieces in Pattaya tell me the Chinese tour groups are staying put at their hotels because they can't fly back. Is this true ?

What? No slow boat to China?  Why would they want to go back?

[rabas]

1 minute ago, Chrysaora said:

What? No slow boat to China?  Why would they want to go back?

90 Day reporting?

[URMySunshine]

1 minute ago, Chrysaora said:

What? No slow boat to China?  Why would they want to go back?

I agree so who will pay the hotels then and how do they feel about having thousands of Chinese enforced visitors.  Sounds like hell.

[ivor bigun]

5 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

My nieces in Pattaya tell me the Chinese tour groups are staying put at their hotels because they can't fly back. Is this true ?

Was driving down north Pattaya this morning ,saw loads of tour buses Full of Chinese ,going to the place where they sell ,i think Jewelry or suchlike .

[URMySunshine]

1 minute ago, ivor bigun said:

Was driving down north Pattaya this morning ,saw loads of tour buses Full of Chinese ,going to the place where they sell ,i think Jewelry or suchlike .

I know the place near T21 - good opportunity to milk them of any remaining baht before hotels try to get their monies due. Going to be some interesting videos turning up on social for sure. This could get nasty pdq virus or no virus. 

[Barefoot]

3 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

Noooo, it’s not just the **** flu. Flu fatalities are around 0.1-0.2%.... this new Coronavirus is nearer 3% fatality rate. 
The percentage of developing severe symptoms is high too, 25% (?). The Thai health system won’t cope with that many people needing ICU treatment if this virus gets a grip over here.

Some people are dividing the number of deaths by the total number of infections and calling the result the "death rate."  Then, because the resultant number is low single digits, they think they will live even if they get the infection.  Maybe, but that method is dead wrong and it gives the wrong impression about a potentially deadly infection.

 

Someday when this is all over, it is fair to divide deaths by infections and call it a death rate, but not during the early stages of an epidemic because deaths lag several weeks behind the date they were first infected.  For the vast majority of the 2800 people who have been infected, most quite recently, nobody knows yet how many of them will live or die.

 

The only sensible thing at this point is to look at people in which the infection has completely run its course.  The infection runs its course in one of two ways.  Either you die, or you recover, meaning the virus is gone.  The last numbers I saw from yesterday were sobering:  there were 56 deaths and 90 recoveries. That's 38%.  For everyone else infected, it is yet to be determined if they will live or die.

 

The new death numbers came out as being 80 today but I have not seen the updated recovery numbers.  But this is something to watch.

 

The press and some governments are pushing the low death rate numbers -- which are not even correct -- that cause people to lower their guard and say "even if I catch it, I will probably live."  That is far from assured.  This thing is growing 40% per day.  Two more weeks at that rate and we have 275,000.   The real death rate figures are somewhere between 3% and 38% and nobody really knows how it will all shake out.  But this is certainly not "the flu."

Edited January 27, 2020 by Barefoot
typos

[DrTuner]

8 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

The new death numbers came out as being 80 today but I have not seen the updated recovery numbers.  But this is something to watch.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

Currently 80 dead, 54 recovered. I would be interested in knowing how long it took for those to end up in each category. The sources and downloadable spreadsheet are on that page, bottom right corner.

Edited January 27, 2020 by DrTuner

[sammieuk1]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

yes I posted about this on another thread - I have to go soon and would rather not

 

90 day reporting should be suspended 

It was the same on Thursday but just drove in drove out but times up bullet biting and shallow breathing time it just had to be done ????

[emptypockets]

4 hours ago, DrTuner said:

That's what you get when you side with China. All their goodies. Somnamnaa.

You do realise the virus is in quite a few other countries as well? 15 others so far including the USA, France, Australia etc etc.

 

Personally I'm getting tired of all the China/Thailand bashing, save it for the bar with other like minded people.

It's happened, lets deal with it instead of the multitude of pointless, nasty, racist comments.

 

Then again this is TVF - carry on chaps.

[Barefoot]

5 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

You do realise the virus is in quite a few other countries as well? 15 others so far including the USA, France, Australia etc etc.

 

Personally I'm getting tired of all the China/Thailand bashing, save it for the bar with other like minded people.

It's happened, lets deal with it instead of the multitude of pointless, nasty, racist comments.

 

Then again this is TVF - carry on chaps.

You do realize the infection started in an illegal Chinese wet market and that 98% of the infected people are in mainland China?

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[Chrysaora]

Just now, Barefoot said:

You do realize the infection started in an illegal Chinese wet market and that 98% of the infected people are in mainland China?

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That's quite a story.  Canada sent them the virus for their SPECIAL lab in ... wait for it .... Wuhan.

 

It's a convenient story that it came from soup.

 

Quite a story.

[Barefoot]

3 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

That's quite a story.  Canada sent them the virus for their SPECIAL lab in ... wait for it .... Wuhan.

 

It's a convenient story that it came from soup.

 

Quite a story.

I never said it came from soup.  That is a stupid story that was quickly debunked.  But the infection has been traced to the wet market in Wuhan, where thousands of exotic live animals were housed in close proximity.  It's viral speed dating in that environment between species that would never interact in the wild.  It is unclear what species passed it to humans, but it will all be figured out eventually.  But at this point, it seems beyond dispute that it started at that market.  The Chinese closed down the market on January 1.

[NeoDinosaw]

5 hours ago, malibukid said:

also called the reproduction number. the virus will decline as the number of human host diminish either through immunity or death.

There's me thinking it was vitrinite reflection ......

[metisdead]

A post using a video from an unapproved YouTube channel has been removed. 

[justin case]

after ENDGAME the movie, now a real endgame ...

WW3 threat (iran drone killings), volcano's, australia burning, china's deadly virus, mhhh, what to expect next week ?

[emptypockets]

52 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

You do realize the infection started in an illegal Chinese wet market and that 98% of the infected people are in mainland China?

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The wet market was not illegal. Some of the products on sale were illegal. But that is irrelevant, legal or not doesn't mean much does it? 

[DrTuner]

I found the first hint I've seen of how long it takes to move from the "infected" column to "died" or "recovered".

 

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The man was admitted to a hospital on Jan. 9 after experiencing a high fever for three days, according to the health commission of Hubei province, where Wuhan is located. A radiograph showed he had a lung infection and a high white blood cell count. He succumbed to the deadly virus on Jan. 23 after a drop in heart rate and a cardiac arrest.

https://time.com/5770924/wuhan-coronavirus-youngest-death/

 

That's 14 days from hospital admission until death, 17 from onset of fever. The diagnosed seems to hover around 3k a few hours ago. In about three weeks the mortality rate within that group should be more clear. So we need to wait weeks to get a real view into it.

[Phuketlover]

2 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

OK, if you insist...

 

8/(69,131,183 + 44,444,444)*100=

 

0.00000704376

% chance of getting Coronavirus, assuming equal risk.

 

Still afraid of Math? ????

 

 

 

 

Have you ever heard of exponential growth?

[Isaan sailor]

Admittedly, it's a horrible thing. But it looks like the inverse currency theory has returned--with Chinese Yuan down--and USD and western currencies up.  Very curious...

[Anotify]

13 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Come back Farang ... all is forgiven!!

Aren't Chineses farangs like us? 

[Anotify]

Hmm first case was just after the US / China trade agreement. Makes you wonder... First HONG K. Now Huhan... Whatever works I guess.. 

[DaRoadrunner]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

"Detecting infected patients is a good sign because it shows that our system is efficient," (Health Minister) Anutin said.

How does this idiot know what percentage of infected people are being found? Therefore he cannot know how effective or ineffective the system is. Even the Health Minister is stupid.

[TeaMonkey]

2 hours ago, Barefoot said:

I never said it came from soup.  That is a stupid story that was quickly debunked.  But the infection has been traced to the wet market in Wuhan, where thousands of exotic live animals were housed in close proximity.  It's viral speed dating in that environment between species that would never interact in the wild.  It is unclear what species passed it to humans, but it will all be figured out eventually.  But at this point, it seems beyond dispute that it started at that market.  The Chinese closed down the market on January 1.

This research says it did not originate in the market.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

[DrTuner]

29 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

This research says it did not originate in the market.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

Actually it doesn't.

 

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But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.

 

It says they got no clue. Could still have been from the market.

 

Here's the research mentioned in that article:

http://virological.org/t/clock-and-tmrca-based-on-27-genomes/347

 

and there one comment:

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We are starting to see more structure in the tree and overall the genetic data is highly suggestive of a single-point introduction into the human population followed by sustained human-to-human transmission. This introduction was likely via either a single infected animal or a small cluster of recently infected animals directly into either a single human individual or a small cluster of human individuals. All subsequent cases are the result of human-to-human transmission with no further evidence of zoonotic transmissions.

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by DrTuner

[Artisi]

If the same hue and cry was directed at the 25,000 plus killed on the roads each year, that would surely be more appropriate and effective. 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, justin case said:

after ENDGAME the movie, now a real endgame ...

WW3 threat (iran drone killings), volcano's, australia burning, china's deadly virus, mhhh, what to expect next week ?

More nonsense from TAT about the number of tourists coming here instead of China ????

[lemonjelly]

50 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

How does this idiot know what percentage of infected people are being found? Therefore he cannot know how effective or ineffective the system is. Even the Health Minister is stupid.

He majored in engineering or something, definitely not anything relevant to health services