Where are we going?

[UbonThani]

5 minutes ago, Saltire said:

Interesting discussion, but in my view the answer is simple - we (homo sapiens) are without doubt, going to be extinct at some time, it may be soon or it may be another 1 or 2 million years, the same as our predecessors homo erectus, who we saw off the planet after 1.6 million years. No species escapes eventual extinction in my view, especially with us around.

 

For me there are 2 questions 1) is climate change real and 2) are we causing it?

 

1

Yes it’s real, like it’s not the first time in the history of the planet the climate has changed. Ice ages, large errant comets smashing into it and a repeating cycle of cataclysmic events. It could be we are seeng a preview of what’s to come with the weather getting more extreme every year, more hurricanes, more earthquakes, more volcanic eruptions etc.

 

2

Are we causing it? Well it’s obvious we are not helping it but I feel its another example of how self important we feel as a species to suggest we are 100% responsible.

We stand alone with our obvious advanced intelligence over every other species, but having said that, we are not ‘special’. Even if we make it without hitting the fast forward button and obliterating ourselves, another 1 or 2 million years is still just a mere blip in the cosmos.

 

When you couple what’s happening today with the unprecedented global greed of the developed nations and the amount of lies flying around to support a chosen greed, there is no easy answer.

 

Why worry about 1m years though?

 

Most on here will be dead in 10 to 50 years.

 

The last 15 years has seen

 

1 greater lifeapans

2 more crops

3 Slight change in temps

 

The earth was supposed to be ruined by 2020 according to the loons.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, worgeordie said:

Sensible person, you have a PhD in what, you are just like me

take in the facts,Global warming is just one factor,then make a decision,

Doesn't matter what decisions I make, nobody listens to me.

Glad to hear you're more important than me and the world leaders are all waiting on your thoughts.

[UbonThani]

2 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Sensible person, you have a PhD in what, you are just like me

take in the facts,Global warming is just one factor,then make a decision,

on what you think is happening to the World, yours is a different view

to me, but one of us is going to be right,and I just hope it's you.

regards Worgeordie

 

No buddy. I deal in facts. You deal in scare campaigns.

 

Spent over 15 years reading climate science. You haven't. You read The Guardian and watch CNN.

 

Educate yourself. Read the science.

 

 

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

The last 15 years has seen

1 greater lifeapans

Would point out lifespans have been the same since the start of recorded history.

Although the bible seems to think they have been greatly reduced (Adam was 930 when he died).

[Saltire]

5 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Why worry about 1m years though?

 

Most on here will be dead in 10 to 50 years.

 

The last 15 years has seen

 

1 greater lifeapans

2 more crops

3 Slight change in temps

 

The earth was supposed to be ruined by 2020 according to the loons.

Agree with most of your posts so far, and I also am inclined to pay more attention to real science than those with whole other agenda.

 

Don't want to waylay the thread but disagree on '2 more crops' as I believe the onset of the agricultural revolution was the undisputed start of, to generalize, unhealthy diets in the modern world. I am thinking mainly of the diabetes and obesity epidemic which I believe to be a direct result of 'more crops' (grains, now palm oil etc).

 

And you're correct I don't care what happens in a million years.

 

 

[rvaviator]

30 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Dodgy scientists told us butter and salt was bad?

 

Good ones didnt.

 

Dodgy scientists tell us co2 is ruining the planet.

 

Good ones don't.

 

Educate yourself. Stop being a lefty sheep.

 

Regards

 

Sensible person

You forgot to mention Sugar ... What you think ...is that 'good or bad' ? 

[crabbie2020]

I am going to Big C today to but wine. Then I am going to drink the wine. Then I will continue not to care about anything outside of my realm.

[CGW]

1 hour ago, UbonThani said:

Just fear mongering while ignoring real issues.

Believe there is a term "divide & rule" 

[canuckamuck]

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out lifespans have been the same since the start of recorded history.

Although the bible seems to think they have been greatly reduced (Adam was 930 when he died).

Potential lifespans have remained at less than a 120 years, but life expectancy has changed over time.

Here is Canada since the 50's

Edited February 11, 2020 by canuckamuck

[UbonThani]

6 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

You forgot to mention Sugar ... What you think ...is that 'good or bad' ? 

Sugar will flood the planet. 10 years left and we will be extinct.

[CGW]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

Potential lifespans have remained at less than a 120 years, but life expectancy has changed over time.

And what happened to quality of life in this period, we put sick dogs down ????

[UbonThani]

11 minutes ago, Saltire said:

Agree with most of your posts so far, and I also am inclined to pay more attention to real science than those with whole other agenda.

 

Don't want to waylay the thread but disagree on '2 more crops' as I believe the onset of the agricultural revolution was the undisputed start of, to generalize, unhealthy diets in the modern world. I am thinking mainly of the diabetes and obesity epidemic which I believe to be a direct result of 'more crops' (grains, now palm oil etc).

 

And you're correct I don't care what happens in a million years.

 

 

Yes many crops are bad for health. My point is climate has improved growth levels. You get more land that can be farmed to feed people with warmer temps. That includes more land for grazing animals.

[worgeordie]

16 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

No buddy. I deal in facts. You deal in scare campaigns.

 

Spent over 15 years reading climate science. You haven't. You read The Guardian and watch CNN.

 

Educate yourself. Read the science.

 

 

You seem to think you know a lot about me, BUT you don't,

I don't read the Guardian or watch CNN,and I don't deal in

anything,so you are wrong about me, could you be wrong

about other things. please refer to some of the ground breaking

scientific papers that you have read,that will change my views.

regards Worgeordie

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Potential lifespans have remained at less than a 120 years, but life expectancy has changed over time.

Here is Canada since the 50's

Starting at birth is cheating, as the risks have changed from child mortality from disease post birth, to abortion pre-birth. 

Realistically, it should start at 21  (or conception) as most have us have made it past that age.

Edited February 11, 2020 by BritManToo

[Odysseus123]

geronimo-a very fine piece of writing I must say!

 

Tho' I don't necessarily agree with all your points I like it as a type of old fashioned "essay" where people are invited to debate and discuss the current issues which you have outlined so well.

 

But just where we actually at present is the rub as it can be demonstrably argued that the human population of the planet has never been so well off-or well governed for that matter.Tho' obviously this is patchy the world is a far better place then it was in 1800.

 

On the other hand humans couldn't possibly destroy the world then but can certainly do it now either thru' atomic weapons,biological means or just the good old capacity to defecate in one's own nest leading to ecological disasters on the local,regional,national and international levels.

 

God only knows what the future may bring.

 

See Stephen Pinker-'The Better Angels of Our Nature'

[UbonThani]

23 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out lifespans have been the same since the start of recorded history.

Although the bible seems to think they have been greatly reduced (Adam was 930 when he died).

Bible bashers are better than climate loons. BB say you will go to hell when you die. CC nuts say we are all doomed and will become extinct in years.

[Pravda]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Not true at all. You cant feed 7bn billion without transport , houses and cold storage.

 

And telling people to give up holidays while you live in Thailand from another country is just hypocritical.

 

People have better lives now than any point in history.

 

Black Plague anyone?

 

Killed by Romans?

 

Humans just like to whinge and make doomsday forecasts cause their own lives arent good.

 

Mathematically you are correct.

 

Mathematically in about 50 years you will be incorrect.

 

Simples. 

[Matzzon]

3 hours ago, geronimo said:

came from my head Sir!

Yes, and you probably spended too many good hours creating it. Just think about how many beers you could have been drinking instead. ????

 

But sure, it´s going downwards day after day. You have a choice, though. You can make your life miserable thinking about it, or you can choose to relax and enjoy.

 

So, just to answer your question. Where are we going? I have no chance in hell to know where you are heading, but I will just lift up my sorry ar5e and go to the cooler for another beer. Cheers! ????

Edited February 11, 2020 by Matzzon

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, geronimo said:

WHERE ARE WE GOING?

Don't shout you'll wake me up.

[UbonThani]

Easy access to good food

Cheap flights

Better roads

More hotels

More boat trips

Sport on tv

Cold beers most places

 

Whats to complain about?

 

Maybe lefties just like being unhappy.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Maybe lefties just like being unhappy.

More like desperate for sex.

Don't believe in paying for it, and can't convince a feminist to let them have a go.

[4MyEgo]

8 December 1980 RIP

 

 

[UbonThani]

36 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

8 December 1980 RIP

 

 

Ironic given his ending

[billsmart]

I agree with many who have already replied here.

 

As far as destroying the ecosystem on Earth, we are, IMO, already "over the cliff." There is no fixing this. ???? And anyone holding out hope in some technological savior is just kidding themselves. Technology can't be the solution because technology is the cause -- or at least the proximate cause. All technology pollutes. Human hubris and overpopulation is the primary cause, and it, of course, is enabled by technology. ????

As far as running away to other planets, I say if we try to do that before we learn to live compatibly, both socially and environmentally, on this one, that shouldn't be called "colonization," it should be called "metastasizing." And I, for one, if we do get to the point where that is possible, will do everything in my power to prevent it. ????

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Not true at all. You cant feed 7bn billion without transport , houses and cold storage.

 

And telling people to give up holidays while you live in Thailand from another country is just hypocritical.

 

People have better lives now than any point in history.

 

Black Plague anyone?

 

Killed by Romans?

 

Humans just like to whinge and make doomsday forecasts cause their own lives arent good.

 

On some continents people enjoy better lives than at any point in history for the majority. Not on all.

[UbonThani]

2 hours ago, Pravda said:

 

Mathematically you are correct.

 

Mathematically in about 50 years you will be incorrect.

 

Simples. 

Based on your crystal ball is it?

 

Nobody in 1970 forecasted 2020 correctly

 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, UbonThani said:

" Great Thunberg started a movement for the young people, "

 

Sure conned you. Her parents are using her to make money. Books, videos, sponsorships etc.

 

It's all about money.

 

Nothing to do with saving anything. Al Gore started the money making enviro con.

 

Spot on.

 

The poor lass has autism. That's why she's obsessively fixated with this, fed and encouraged by parents and their cronies; and was prepared to go on strike (555!) on Fridays and initially sit there all alone with her signs.

 

Disgraceful exploitation but oh so left wing liberal.

[geronimo]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Spot on.

 

The poor lass has autism. That's why she's obsessively fixated with this, fed and encouraged by parents and their cronies; and was prepared to go on strike (555!) on Fridays and initially sit there all alone with her signs.

 

Disgraceful exploitation but oh so left wing liberal.

So, the messenger might be being manipulated, but that doesn't make the message any less true.

[UbonThani]

3 minutes ago, geronimo said:

So, the messenger might be being manipulated, but that doesn't make the message any less true.

Read the science. It's mostly bs. If you cannot be bothered reading then waste your living in fear

 

 

[geronimo]

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

Read the science. It's mostly bs. If you cannot be bothered reading then waste your living in fear

 

 

Fear has no part in my life Sir!