Talks set to go ahead on scheduling date for E20 as basic benzene fuel

[snoop1130]

Talks set to go ahead on scheduling date for E20 as basic benzene fuel 

By The Nation

 

DIT director-general Nantika Thangsupanich

 

The Department of Energy Business under the Energy Ministry will this week discuss with oil retailers and refineries the date to announce gasohol E20 as the basic benzene fuel and cancel gasohol 91.

 

“We expect to launch this in the third quarter to maintain the price of energy crops, such as cassava and sugarcane, which are raw materials for ethanol production,” department director-general Nantika Thangsupanich said.

 

“We aim to increase ethanol use to 7 million litres per day from the current 4-5 million litres.”

 

She said the department would study the properties of gasohol E20 and other basic benzene fuels and ways to improve E20 quality to gain consumer confidence.

 

“We have to consider many issues, such as production capacity during the drought season and government policy before announcing the date to promote gasohol E20,” she said.

 

“Meanwhile, independent gas station retailers have submitted a letter to the department to consider cancelling the sale of some oils, which has caused a burden where oil costs are concerned.

 

“Thailand has up to ten types of fuels, including five benzene and gasohol fuels and three diesel fuels. This does not include premium grade oils,” she pointed out.

 

Nantika said the department is improving details of the Oil Plan 2018 in accordance with the Power Development Plan 2018 and Alternative Energy Development Plan 2018.

 

“We expect to be open for comments in one or two months,” she added. “Initially, consumption of ethanol and biodiesel by the end of 2037 will be reduced from the original plan due to a change to electric vehicles, energy-saving measures and performance of new car models."

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30383175

 

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[KhunBENQ]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“Thailand has up to ten types of fuels, including five benzene and gasohol fuels and three diesel fuels. This does not include premium grade oils,” she pointed out.

And that is absolutely crazy.

At PTT:

Premium Diesel (pure stuff)

Diesel (normal, palm oil as per season)

Diesel B10

Diesel B20

Benzene (pure stuff)

Gasohol 95

Gasohol 91

E20 (Gasohol)

E85 (Gasohol)

 

Four(!) types of Diesel and still having the long superfluous Gasohol 91.

Consequence: many stations have dropped Benzene (Petrol) to make room for another Diesel type.

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by KhunBENQ

[unamazedloso]

Say hello to more sugarcane pollution hell just to make ethanol fuel that is uslesss considering the world is, and thailand should be going electric!

e20 wont work in most small carburettered machinery like 4st brushcutters and mowers. It certainly aint good for cars its not intended for. Its destroyed dozens of carbies, filters, fuel lines, exhaust valves and such on my farm because i use 4st small engines for water pumps on my farm. 

These b10 and b20 diesels also actually dont burn efficientley and although cheaper, your not getting the mileage you should!

My theory is why bother? Its just money for the government.

I have many high performance vehicles and sure some can be tuned to e85 and its better but why bother. There aint no shortage of oil really and where is electric vehicles anyway. Real stupid and we will all pay withour lives thanks to the pollution caused to make this rubbish that is sold as an enviromental thing but it trully isnt and never was. This drive for ethanol fuels has been fuelled itself by sugar corps like mitraphol that pays the thai government handsome donations.

The letter E in Ethanol is not for the enviroment people as was sold to the public many years ago! 

[transam]

She plobably drives a Suzuki Celerio like me..................????

[1Gringo]

I don't think motorcycles can run on it, either.

[KhunBENQ]

1 hour ago, 1Gringo said:

I don't think motorcycles can run on it, either.

At least not a Honda Click from 2011 as my wife has. Label says 91 (E10).

Actually using Gasohol 95 (E10) since long.

Not sure about later models.

Edited March 3, 2020 by KhunBENQ

[Coremouse]

1994 Celica, run on E20 2 yrs now, zero issue. Stock engine, fuel system, ECU, injectors... eg. totally stock 26yr old car. And abused hard. 

[Coremouse]

What Thailand should do is introduce higher octane numbers, 95RON SUCKS. The rest of the world gets better 97-99 as standard premium

E85 superb for high power and engine longevity, but generally require some efforts on mod & tuning, and supply is few and far between

[johng]

2 hours ago, 1Gringo said:

I don't think motorcycles can run on it, either.

Of course it will run..the problem is that maybe  certain parts of the fuel system will be effected by the ethanol  plastic and rubber parts might fail, if/when they do just replace those parts with ethanol resistant parts..can't see how  ethanol its self could destroy exhaust valves maybe if the mixture is too lean ?

[jackdd]

On 3/3/2020 at 10:12 AM, 1Gringo said:

I don't think motorcycles can run on it, either.

At least my Honda Wave has E20 written on the owners manual.

I asked Triumph in an email, they confirmed that using E20 is no problem in my Tiger.

Thus i use E20 in both of my bikes. I guess nearly all newer bikes can use E20.