Govt will impose 24-hour curfew if Covid-19 situation does not improve

[Winky Wilson]

This will be relaxing not having to hear all the motorbikes without mufflers in the neighborhood. Maybe this is a sense of pride in Thailand. I'm sorry for complaining if this is the case, I'm just a foreigner or guest.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Winky Wilson

[petedk]

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Well a 24 hour curfew could work ... if they could figure out how to keep necessities open (essential workers) [food etc.] and give each person a window during the day based on the last digit of their birth year (i.e. 0 would get 8am to 9am on Mondays, 9am to 10am on Tuesdays; 1 would get 9am to 10am on Mondays, 11am to 12am on Tuesdays etc.)  [Not that I am saying it is the best idea]

I was wondering how they could "distribute" the window times. Your idea is ok, but I think impossible to enforce. You know people here respect the law.

[spidermike007]

There is a very high chance this will improve within a week or two, presuming heat has the effect on the virus that many researchers are saying it does. Personally I believe it. Less than 100 cases in the past 24 hours. It will flatten out shortly. No need for panic, and no need for draconian measures. The economic shutdown was inane enough, without a 24 hour curfew. 

 

If the curfew does go into effect, and millions of us defy it, it will result in alot of disorder. 

[Filipplenoir]

Can't inforce helmets for gods sake

[Filipplenoir]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

There is a very high chance this will improve within a week or two, presuming heat has the effect on the virus that many researchers are saying it does. Personally I believe it. Less than 100 cases in the past 24 hours. It will flatten out shortly. No need for panic, and no need for draconian measures. The economic shutdown was inane enough, without a 24 hour curfew. 

 

If the curfew does go into effect, and millions of us defy it, it will result in alot of disorder. 

Heat? How much more heat do you need? Cmon. I understand if you lived in Moscow. Stop repeating noncence 

[7fish]

11 minutes ago, jimn said:

Which true because you do not quote any source for your posts.

jeez, i could post links all day, how about you get off ur ass and do some inquiring yourself instead of feeding of msm fear porn

 

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

 

 

think about it, these government actions are supposed to be about saving lives right? And what kind of casualty figures do you think we are looking at as a result  of the ensuing global financial meltdown, shops aren't just closing where I live, they are gone, not coming back. Have you seen what happens in a depression? And this to save us from the seasonal flu?

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

2 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

Its a cultural thing. My house the farang has food and staples for at least 2 weeks, possibbly 3. The Thai has food for 1-1/2 days possibly. 

Indeed, this was one of my biggest culture shocks when I first came to Thailand. My family back home has always liked to stock up for at least a week or two, wanting to avoid traffic and crowds at the stores. The Thais like to go out shopping almost everyday. They run into friends walking down the soi, at the markets, catch up on the local happenings and gossip, etc.

[Max69xl]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is a very high chance this will improve within a week or two, presuming heat has the effect on the virus that many researchers are saying it does. Personally I believe it. Less than 100 cases in the past 24 hours. It will flatten out shortly. No need for panic, and no need for draconian measures. The economic shutdown was inane enough, without a 24 hour curfew. 

 

If the curfew does go into effect, and millions of us defy it, it will result in alot of disorder. 

That's 100 reported cases. How many do you think they have tested so far? The tests are not free,not even for Thai people. If they report 100 cases then the correct number might be 10 times that. 

[Andy from Kent]

22 hours ago, lovesthespicy said:

24 hour curfew everything closed but immigration! 

 

You sayin that what the government wnts or that what they do now?

[Andy from Kent]

10 minutes ago, 7fish said:

jeez, i could post links all day, how about you get off ur ass and do some inquiring yourself instead of feeding of msm fear porn

 

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

 

 

think about it, these government actions are supposed to be about saving lives right? And what kind of casualty figures do you think we are looking at as a result  of the ensuing global financial meltdown, shops aren't just closing where I live, they are gone, not coming back. Have you seen what happens in a depression? And this to save us from the seasonal flu?

mate   its no seasonal flu but it will prolly go away

[Max69xl]

4 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Indeed, this was one of my biggest culture shocks when I first came to Thailand. My family back home has always liked to stock up for at least a week or two, wanting to avoid traffic and crowds at the stores. The Thais like to go out shopping almost everyday. They run into friends walking down the soi, at the markets, catch up on the local happenings and gossip, etc.

It's nothing special with Thai people and their shopping for food habits. People in France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece does the exact same thing. 

[7fish]

13 minutes ago, Filipplenoir said:

Heat? How much more heat do you need? Cmon. I understand if you lived in Moscow. Stop repeating noncence

isn't that what most people on this forum seem to be doing? It's like reading the daily mirror. You might need the army on the streets to impose a curfew on the Thais, but the expats seem to be doing a good job of policing themselves

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

1 hour ago, berrec said:

Azithromycin (Thailand -Zithromax)   - 500 mg one tablets

Don't know why you couldn't get it. Maybe they were just out. This thankfully is widely available OTC at any pharmacy in Thailand. Worked wonders on my non stop diarrhea, before realizing my stomach doesn't agree with the squid here. I also heard it works well if you've happened to catch "the clap", though I've never had that problem.

[sambum]

"Follow the social distancing measure, which people have not completely complied with,”

 

Try enforcing that at the various Immigration Offices that are inundated with tourists trying to gets extensions because their flights have been cancelled, so are here not through choice but necessity, and have to wait around Immigration for HOURS (+) before they may get their extension  (which they have to pay for!) I believe 8 hours wait is not out of the ordinary, and sometimes people are requested to go back the following day to pick up their passports.

Edited April 4, 2020 by sambum

[Max69xl]

1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

Concur stupid idea. Ridiculous. I was in bkk when the coup in 2010 happened and the military shut down everything and it was madness no shops had food at all within about half a day.

People with little to no money (at least 30% of the populace mai??)

what are they gunna do with no money to buy and stockpile food.

Military coup 2010? Really? 

The only thing happening in BKK 2010 was the last clash between red shirts and yellow shirts. 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Max69xl

[bkkcanuck8]

33 minutes ago, petedk said:

I was wondering how they could "distribute" the window times. Your idea is ok, but I think impossible to enforce. You know people here respect the law.

Enforcement as in catching everyone that violates it - is near impossible; but you can put the fear of god into people that the risk of getting caught is not worth it.

 

I read recently that a person that had a 20 person 'party/get together' at their house in Brampton, ON, Canada were 'caught' and now face up to $100,000CAD fine.

[samsensam]

24 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Indeed, this was one of my biggest culture shocks when I first came to Thailand. My family back home has always liked to stock up for at least a week or two, wanting to avoid traffic and crowds at the stores. The Thais like to go out shopping almost everyday. They run into friends walking down the soi, at the markets, catch up on the local happenings and gossip, etc.

 

same as many countries to be honest, these are unprecedented times and people just have to adapt, it's not difficult.

[Mises]

1 hour ago, Almer said:

I read today that 100 returning thai's refused to go to a gvnmt isolation centre yesterday,  but they agreed to isolate at home,

1.  How did they get home. ?

2. Who is policing this. ?

3. Why were they not arrested after refusing  quarantine. ?

4. Why am i getting agitated over this, these unlike others didn't run, well 3 did, they just refused to go. ?

3 They arrived in business or first class.

[Outbackoz]

Every morning in Hua Hin  Soi 102  100's of workers line the street, head off to nearby 7/11s and food stalls  then cram onto trucks 40 or 50 at a time. Surely this is a disaster waiting to happen. I guess if it is occurring  here it would also be happening in other parts of Thailand. It Really does not help a community/government response in dealing with the current situation

[fredwiggy]

Impossible to enforce for one thing.Like others have said,people shop everyday and even if it's limited, safety means people will have more hours to shop,so less people will be all out at the same time. Emergencies,doctor visits,banking to get money for the food,immigration etc. Today I get a video from a friend showing that azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine sulfate is helping others rid of the virus,France study. Soon,if Thailand is on the ball,home test kits available, America,where I'm from,is learning the hard way when your president doesn't lock down all except essential traffic. Why isn't Thailand learning from other more successful countries what is necessary? Pride?

[Deerculler]

23 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

How, pray tell, can a nation that mostly feeds itself by a daily shopping trip, stay in under 24 hour curfew ?
We are in Thailand, not La-La Land.
Bring it on !

We are in La la land

[7fish]

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

 

'I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.'

 

 

 

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

 

'We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.'

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by 7fish

[Max69xl]

24 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Don't know why you couldn't get it. Maybe they were just out. This thankfully is widely available OTC at any pharmacy in Thailand. Worked wonders on my non stop diarrhea, before realizing my stomach doesn't agree with the squid here. I also heard it works well if you've happened to catch "the clap", though I've never had that problem.

"Zithromax is an antibiotic, which belongs to a group of medicines called azalides.

The azalides are a sub-class of a group of antibiotics called macrolides.

Zithromax works by killing or stopping the growth of bacteria causing your infection.

Zithromax will not work against viral infections such as colds or flu."

Why would you take Zithromax when having diarrhea because of eating squids? 

[Max69xl]

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Impossible to enforce for one thing.Like others have said,people shop everyday and even if it's limited, safety means people will have more hours to shop,so less people will be all out at the same time. Emergencies,doctor visits,banking to get money for the food,immigration etc. Today I get a video from a friend showing that azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine sulfate is helping others rid of the virus,France study. Soon,if Thailand is on the ball,home test kits available, America,where I'm from,is learning the hard way when your president doesn't lock down all except essential traffic. Why isn't Thailand learning from other more successful countries what is necessary? Pride?"

"Today I get a video from a friend showing that azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine sulfate is helping others rid of the virus."

Really? 

Azithromycin (Azithromax in Thailand) is an antibiotic and will not work against viral infections like the flu. The Coronavirus is a viral disease. Azithromycin works against bacterial infections. If you know how to use Google,see for yourself. 

[Mises]

There are basically two camps:

1  the world’s governments’ responses are proportional and necessary.

2  the reactions of the media and governments are stupid beyond belief

 

I am in the second camp.  We tend to call the first camp, “the OMG we are all going to die!” Camp.

 

I, and so many other people I know, believe that the second camp is the rational camp.  I am also sure this reflects the views of a great many people.  We think the general population is being treated with contempt.  The "experts" are not subject to proper scrutiny.  Why are we blindly following the theories of a previously discredited mathematician?  Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College’s predictive modelling in the UK 2001 foot and mouth disease was later described as “not fit for purpose.” We never learn do we?  Link.  Have our leaders ever heard the expression in computer science, GIGO?  

Has Sweden got it right?  No lockdown there.

 

The small businesses of Thailand are being destroyed.  Lives are being destroyed.  If and when it is shown (and a great many epidemiologists think it will be) that Sweden’s approach works just as well, how will those whose lives and businesses have been destroyed be compensated? They won't be will they.

[fredwiggy]

I already know what the medicines will do. Sometimes a combination of medicines has a different result. This is from a study done in France. Antibiotics aren't for viral diseases. Maybe the combination works a different way? Just repeating what I heard. If I know how to use google  lol I love those that assume they know others. Dr. Fauci, the leading expert on this, mentioned that the malaria medicines were having an effect on the disease. Some have side effects, but if you're very sick or dying, you do anything you can.

Edited April 4, 2020 by fredwiggy
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[Shocked]

Do it! In fact make it 24 hours a day for 20 days. Then cart off all the dead and who is left standing are free. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 hours ago, jmacken306 said:

I bought our Big C out of Kellogs Corn Flakes when it was on sale so I have 4 boxes left but I would have to use water instead of milk ????????????????????lol

I’d heard there was a cereal killer on the loose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Caine]

23 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Stock up now, a human can live on 1200 calories a day.  canned meat (mackerel is mt fav) plus a cup of rice or noddles.  Water of course.  at least 1 liter per day.

Veggies or fruits only last 3-4 days, so you may not be getting many vitamins and roughage.  Oatmeal, Muesli can help 

Seriously - this will be almost impossible to carry out and enforce IMO

Fear tactics from those who are in charge is nothing new.

Hang in there, Thailand doing better than many other countries

Thailand doing better than many other countries, and you honestly believe that. 555 you and the rest of the world know they can’t lie straight in bed.

[bkkcanuck8]

12 minutes ago, 7fish said:

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

 

'I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.'

 

 

 

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

 

'We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.'

 

 

 

 

 

The models (professional model - which tend to be fairly accurate) indicate that without any mitigation - the US at the end of this outbreak would have 1.2 million deaths.  With current mitigation efforts - that could be limited to 100,000 up to maybe 240,000 (depending on what percentage of people take the effort seriously).   The R0 ('R not'), which is a combined factor of transmissibity and opportunity, would drop to near 0 in 30 days if all people took this social distancing very seriously (not somewhat seriously or not at all serious) - which means the cases would crater (as happened in China).  NY is now has about 6 days of ventilator stock left, which means that if it does not level or peak within that time but continues on current trajectory - you have to start telling the serious cases with low blood oxygenation your are SOL (maybe all over 60 as in Italy, or those with pre-conditions such as hypertension, or first come first serve) and you will have organ damage and possibly die (more than 5% of cases - but less than maybe 18 or 19% of cases - which could be halved depending on those that have mild or no symptoms).  It is not the flu (in one way that is a positive since once you are immune you will likely be immune for the foreseeable future or life), and even cases that are not severe (but not asymptomatic carriers) ... you really really do not ... on the same order as not wanting dengue fever...  yes you will survive if you are in that class of people but not without consequences.