Pattaya's Coronavirus Cock-up: Chaos on first day of lockdown as leaders scurry for rethink

[Matzzon]

21 minutes ago, smedly said:

24 million across Thailand applied for financial support, even if only 12 million deserved it only 1.2 million were approved, a lot of Thai people work off book (freelance), now that most of that market has been shut down what are they supposed to do, the government quite obviously doesn't give a toss and these lock downs are preventing needy people going to stay with family or friends

So, blaming Thailand and the way things work again. Seems to be all you can do. If you are going to continue with that, a good advice is to study the facts before.

Can you tell me what government that offers a relief for loss of work, includes the illegal part of that sector? If there is anybody to blame, that blame should fall on the people that offer these people unregistered work. They should be held responsible to pay compensation to the people that they throw away.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Matzzon

[steve187]

1 hour ago, cyril sneer said:

Amazing what 1-2 elderly deaths a day can do

no really worth worrying about is it, unless your wife, husband,  mother or father is one of the 1-2

[Traubert]

2 hours ago, Toany said:

They will have to sort things quickly.  The airports of Wuhan are open again.  Soon there will be hordes of Chinese trying to enter Pattaya.

No there wont, thats a complete fallacy.

[Puchaiyank]

Good grief!  Give them another chance...how often do they have to make decisions during a pandemic?

 

This virus has exposed a serious lack of mass illness comprehension and healthcare planning...

[seeyoujimmy]

34 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Lol
"77kaoded said it was not just the traffic - each of the five checkpoints were struggling to interpret what ID was necessary to move in and out of the city."

What is so hard about that ? I've seen the (regular) police and the Immigration Police when they do a shift change. The incoming shift stands in formation and gets a briefing from the (commander/shift supervisor/whoever) and then they go do their jobs.

We knew a couple days in advance that we (foreigners) were supposed to have our passports and a "residence certificate" and a special form (with an English version already available) detailing who we are, where we are going and why.
All that should have been passed on to every oncoming shift for days before the barricades went up.

There shouldn't have been any confusion at all about the documents. I was hoping to find out what they were doing with that new form (looking at it, stamping it or keeping it when you went through a checkpoint) but the only person who reported going through a checkpoint said they never even checked him for documents at all !

Possibly they just didn't think there'd be as much traffic as there was and couldn't handle it without making the problem worse (by having to check and verify the documents of every single person trying to pass through).
And then there's the issue of what to do with the people that "forgot" one piece of paper or something and now they have to try and redirect that person back the way they came.

I think I'll put my mask on and go talk to my neighbour though I don't think his English is good enough to explain it to me.
 

Is he Scottish

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

Leaders in Pattaya scurry for rethink?

Problem is they didnt think before deciding on a lock down, they just implemented it without thinking it out first.

Not the only government to do that.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Good grief!  Give them another chance...how often do they have to make decisions during a pandemic?

 

This virus has exposed a serious lack of mass illness comprehension and healthcare planning...

Government bureaucrats are supposed to have action plans for every eventuality. They have no excuse not to have one for a pandemic since Ebola, SARS, swine flue, bird flue etc appeared.

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Government bureaucrats are supposed to have action plans for every eventuality. They have no excuse not to have one for a pandemic since Ebola, SARS, swine flue, bird flue etc appeared.

Yeah!... just like all the rest of the world has action plans for every eventuality.

 

With the possible exception of Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea, are you being serious?

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

By some accounts of people on the ground there, the numbers of homeless and rough sleepers is exploding as landlords are being absolutely mercenary, and the governments inability to get any protections for the vulnerable in place are really hitting hard.

They were always there in the same numbers. Just that the hordes of Chinese and Indians made them harder to spot.

[Assurancetourix]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

Leaders in Pattaya scurry for rethink?

Problem is they didnt think before deciding on a lock down, they just implemented it without thinking it out first.

Think is a verb that does not exist in the Thai dictionary;
in any case, to think you need a brain ...

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

No big deal! Mistakes happens. This is not a normal situation, and many of the persons planning this, is doing this for the first time and hopefully once in their life time. I am sure they will fix it and make it work. Everybody can make mistakes.

The mistake, if indeed there is one, is not with the idea or its execution its with the vehicles and drivers.  They knew what was going to happen, they had plenty of warning, so why were they on the road in  such numbers in the first place.   They can't all have been on an essential emergency trip. What part of stay at home didn't they understand.  The fault and lack of thinking /planning lies with them. As usual on this forum, Members are very quick to castigate the authorities without considering alternative reasons for the cock up.  It was ever thus. 

[shy coconut]

2 hours ago, Toany said:

They will have to sort things quickly.  The airports of Wuhan are open again.  Soon there will be hordes of Chinese trying to enter Pattaya.

I guess these Chinese will have to enter via the fabled porous land borders as there

are barely any flights in and out of Thailand these days, and a current ban on non

citizens entering.

[unamazedloso]

Atleast they are trying. Done nothing about the pollution or drunk driving that kills more but baby steps i guess.

[fforest1]

1 hour ago, steve187 said:

no really worth worrying about is it, unless your wife, husband,  mother or father is one of the 1-2

I don't have time to worry about the 1 or 2 deaths I am to busy worrying about the millions made jobless and homeless and hungry....

[Ventenio]

Once I saw a 99-year old guy fall on the sidewalk, he died.  I blamed the sidewalk, and we destroyed all the concrete in our city.  Our economy went to zero and everyone became homeless.  

 

Then yesterday a guy died drinking water...........

 

this is getting out of hand.  

 

when you lack planning..........hey, tomorrow I will run around the world.  i have my toothbrush.  Is that enough?  

[Chivas]

The only surprise is that anyone should be surprised......

[tropo]

3 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

Amazing what 1-2 elderly deaths a day can do

Last year around 15,000 died in road accidents in Thailand, so they are saving maybe 40 people per day through curfew and lockdown.

 

With a death toll from covid-19 currently at 33, that's an elderly person dying every 2nd day since this all began.

 

It's not the worst (or best). New Zealand has seen 2 deaths, yet they are totally locked down and they were one of the first countries to lockdown. The 2nd person, a woman in her 90's, died today. They didn't give her exact age... maybe she was 99. Personally I find statistics given about people in their 90's dying of covid-19 to be nothing more than scare tactics. Pneumonia brought on by the seasonal flu frequently kills people over 90.

 

 

[tropo]

3 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute shambles and a disgrace. By some accounts of people on the ground there, the numbers of homeless and rough sleepers is exploding as landlords are being absolutely mercenary, and the governments inability to get any protections for the vulnerable in place are really hitting hard.

 

Whether or not the dangers of the virus are overstated, the responses by the government have made an already terrible situation worse.

 

I don't see how major consequences are going to be avoided. The discontent is swelling already.

The landlords will have their day too. They won't be getting replacement tenants anytime soon.

[tropo]

3 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

Why do you think the Virus daily figures are lowest in the World, and the contagion curve is completely different from any other Nations.

Covid19 revisited to come.

It's a good point. The Spanish flu came in 3 waves and lasted 3 years. The 2nd was by far the most deadly. These little suckers can quickly mutate. The first wave was in January 1918, and the 2nd wave started in August 1918. Could it be a similar timeline?

Edited April 10, 2020 by tropo

[jacko45k]

51 minutes ago, unamazedloso said:

Atleast they are trying. Done nothing about the pollution or drunk driving that kills more but baby steps i guess.

I can live with the pollution and drunk driving, I have for years. This shxt is all too much!

[kinyara]

I've had longer lock-ins down my local. 

[sungod]

3 hours ago, z42 said:

Disagree. The headline for this story is about local leaders cocking up and having to rethink. My post gives examples of how cockups up to now are affecting local residents are working, and how without a rethink will continue to sow discontent and create additional problems on the side.

 

Either way mate, we're on the same train of thought i imagine in how we're viewing the authorities" handling of this whole thing.

You may be busy on every thread pointing out cock ups! But good luck, one thing we do have on our hands is time!

 

Thanks for answering my post in the spirit it was intended!

[RichardColeman]

Concrete barriers for keeping people in/out seems remarkable overkill for something killing supposedly 1 person a day

[frantick]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Yeah!... just like all the rest of the world has action plans for every eventuality.

 

With the possible exception of Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea, are you being serious?

I think he meant all governments, not just Thailand's. At least that's how I took it. None of the current administrations in any country should be blamed for prior administrations lack of development of pandemic protocols. 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by frantick
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[MrMo]

4 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

When a good result is commensurate with thoughtful planning, and a disaster with little or none, this was to be expected. 

Whatever word Thais use for planning, there isn't a translation into any other language. 

[jacko45k]

11 minutes ago, frantick said:

At least that's how I took it. None of the current administrations in any country should be blamed for prior administrations lack of development of pandemic protocols. 

A few news  networks seem to disagree.... nuff said.

[Caspersfriend]

A growing 'PERFECT STORM' for the current government to deal with ... good luck, bracelets, and a following wind may not be enough.

[Chassa]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

It's not the worst (or best). New Zealand has seen 2 deaths, yet they are totally locked down and they were one of the first countries to lockdown. The 2nd person, a woman in her 90's, died today. They didn't give her exact age...

My father was 97 when he died - his death certificate says the cause was 'old age'. i Guess Covid-19 overides 'old age'.

[brucegoniners]

That is so typical.

 

T I T!

[jlwilliamsjr18]

T.I.T

Edited April 10, 2020 by jlwilliamsjr18