webfact Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Brake failure: Bangkok tuk-tuk crushed by wire laden truck Picture: Thai Rath Bang Bon police and Poh Teck Tung rescue services were called after the brakes failed on a Hino truck carrying 20 tons of industrial wire. The driver of the truck Seksom, 64, said that while he was travelling in the middle lane another vehicle slowed suddenly and his brakes failed. He tried to veer to the left and collided with a tuk-tuk causing the three wheeler to be propelled onto the footpath and jammed up against a tree outside the Honda showroom on Ekkachai Road. Tuk-tuk driver Pornchai, 39, was taken to Bang Pakok 8 Hospital with a broken right leg. Police detained the trucker as insurance assessed the damage after the accident outbound around 3pm Monday. Source: Thai Rath -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2020-05-12 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wiggy Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 That will buff out. 2 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprq Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Lucky escape for that tuk-tuk driver. This total crushing is what I've always thought would be the result of any heavy collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wiggy Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 From the photo it appears the truck hasn't hit the wall. So what stopped it? It couldn't have been the brakes as they had failed. Hmm.... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Oztruckie Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 No surprise brakes failed here,guess that sounds good to the bib they wouldn't know any better lol,with 20 ton on a tandem drive,close to a 200% overload. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grumpy one Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 20 tonnes of steel on that truck, I hate to be a kill joy but its about 8 tonnes overloaded. No wonder it failed to stop. Maybe the RTP should learn about safe working loads and vehicle weights, they could make the government coffers fill quite rapidly 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steve187 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) in the UK, max weight of a 3 axle rigid is 26,000 kg, i assume the 20 ton load was a rough guess by the reporters, more to the point how would the brakes fail on that truck, i would think he was on his phone and didn't see the vehicle stopping in front of him Edited May 12, 2020 by steve187 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VocalNeal Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 Rhetorical question. Given the number of brake failures wouldn't Land Transport Dept. want to test the braking system on vehicles of all such claims? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, VocalNeal said: Rhetorical question. Given the number of brake failures wouldn't Land Transport Dept. want to test the braking system on vehicles of all such claims? Not sure if Thailand has something like an "MOT" test, as they do in the UK? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Probably carrying too much weight for the brakes to handle..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Wiggy said: That will buff out. Some t-cut scratch remover will fix most of it. ???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, transam said: Probably carrying too much weight for the brakes to handle..... Yes overloaded and to much weight on the axels, but then that is typical here in Thailand. No true inspection stations or trained commercial vehicle type of vehicle officers in this country either..... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Andrew65 said: Not sure if Thailand has something like an "MOT" test, as they do in the UK? Probably not. They do,did one just the other day,before taking to get road tax, took all of 10 mins and cost 200 Thb,check the brakes on a roller, lights,and how much smoke, that was it. You would hope the MOT test on HGV would be much more stringent, but i doubt many fail the test...... If only the Government were more serious about road deaths, 2000 + road, 66 Covid deaths, in same period. regards worgeordie 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mr Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 we were due a brake failure story no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 It could be a good idea for large trucks to chock their wheels with a tuk tuk instead of all that hassle of maintenance sure it will catch on ???? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Andrew65 said: Not sure if Thailand has something like an "MOT" test, as they do in the UK? Probably not. Yes they do. When (for example) a private vehicle reaches its 6th annual registration it has to be checked at a licensed test station (Sign is a Yellow Gearwheel on a Blue background) and a certificate issued at the cost of ThB 200. Without this a vehicle cannot be accepted for Annual Road Tax sticker. As to the 'test' however, there is a rolling road brake test, an exhaust pollution measurement, lights etc. Heavy vehicles such as trucks are tested at the Traffic Department own test station. Vehicles such as private cars must also have a mandatory 3rd Party Insurance which is supposed to cover the cost of medical assistance to those persons injured in an accident with the 'insured' vehicle. Cost is around ThB 660 per annum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Kneale Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Wiggy said: From the photo it appears the truck hasn't hit the wall. So what stopped it? It couldn't have been the brakes as they had failed. Hmm.... "So what stopped it?" The tuk-tuk. "[The truck] collided with a tuk-tuk causing the three wheeler to be propelled onto the footpath and jammed up against a tree". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Kneale Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Oztruckie said: No surprise brakes failed here,guess that sounds good to the bib they wouldn't know any better lol,with 20 ton on a tandem drive,close to a 200% overload. 6 hours ago, Grumpy one said: 20 tonnes of steel on that truck, I hate to be a kill joy but its about 8 tonnes overloaded. No wonder it failed to stop. Maybe the RTP should learn about safe working loads and vehicle weights, they could make the government coffers fill quite rapidly 5 hours ago, steve187 said: in the UK, max weight of a 3 axle rigid is 26,000 kg, i assume the 20 ton load was a rough guess by the reporters Apparently not... https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/57009-weight-limits-for-trucks-on-highways-increase/ 25 tonnes for 10-wheelers. UK, Australian and Grumpy one's regulations no longer apply here. Edited May 12, 2020 by Bob A Kneale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Kneale Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Yes overloaded and to much weight on the axels, but then that is typical here in Thailand. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/57009-weight-limits-for-trucks-on-highways-increase/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 hours ago, VocalNeal said: Rhetorical question. Given the number of brake failures wouldn't Land Transport Dept. want to test the braking system on vehicles of all such claims? Who's going to pay for all that extra work than hey? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob A Kneale said: Apparently not... https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/57009-weight-limits-for-trucks-on-highways-increase/ 25 tonnes for 10-wheelers. UK, Australian and Grumpy one's regulations no longer apply here. The regulations don't apply but the figures are broadly similar - UK limit 26 tonnes, Thai limit 25 tonnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Wiggy said: From the photo it appears the truck hasn't hit the wall. So what stopped it? It couldn't have been the brakes as they had failed. Hmm.... Possibly the tuk tuk jammed between the wheels? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The Kung flu stories must be getting a bit thin on the ground now as the road carnage stories are making a come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Edited May 12, 2020 by ratcatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylekan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Brake failure in Thailand seems to be the keyphrase for either "I've been drinking" or "I was on my phone" and everything is then ok by the authorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, curlylekan said: Brake failure in Thailand seems to be the keyphrase for either "I've been drinking" or "I was on my phone" and everything is then ok by the authorities "I've been drugging", rather than "I've been drinking". Where I now live in the UK, in the local press there are lots more stories of people being banned for drug-driving than drunk-driving. The gadget they can use on the roadside tests for cannabis and cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Brake failure???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 hours ago, VocalNeal said: Rhetorical question. Given the number of brake failures wouldn't Land Transport Dept. want to test the braking system on vehicles of all such claims? You don't understand Thailand. Everyone knows that the driver is to blame, but the brake failure excuse is used to save face. The Department of Transport and police are not going to interfere with the most important facet of Thai culture and society. Ask most Thai drivers what a safe braking distance is and all you'd get is a blank stare or embarrassed laugh. They would have no idea what you are talking about, or be able to judge the distance even if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Bob A Kneale said: Apparently not... https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/57009-weight-limits-for-trucks-on-highways-increase/ 25 tonnes for 10-wheelers. UK, Australian and Grumpy one's regulations no longer apply here. IIRC in the UK it used to 8 tons load per axle so in this case that would be 24 tons, so it wasn't actually overloaded. I found this website which was fairly helpful. https://app.croneri.co.uk/topics/vehicle-weights-and-weight-limits/indepth?product=143 0800 231 5199 Home Road Haulage Vehicle Standards Vehicle Weights and Weight Limits: In-depth × Status message You are viewing premium content from Croner-i. Vehicle Weights and Weight Limits: In-depth Printable version Summary An understanding of the subject of vehicle weights is of great importance to operators and fleet managers because many other issues are related to weight. These include vehicle excise duty, driving licences, operator licensing, plating and testing, fuel consumption and speed limits. Ultimately, the aim is to avoid overloading vehicles, in relation to axle, gross and train weights. Overloading is a common offence and can lead to the issue of prohibitions, fines and loss of the Operator’s Licence (O-licence). Employers' Duties Employers must: procure and allocate vehicles that are adequate for the weights expected to be carried ensure that routes are planned that do not involve vehicles in contravening weight restrictions take reasonable steps to ensure that drivers do not overload vehicles or contravene weight restrictions. Employees' Duties Drivers must: ensure they know the maximum permitted gross weight of their vehicle take all reasonable steps to see that any vehicle they drive is not overloaded beyond its maximum permitted gross weight arrange the load so as not to place excessive weight on any individual axle observe all weight restrictions. In Practice When purchasing and using commercial vehicles, it is extremely important for operators, drivers and managers to understand the different vehicle weight definitions, in particular the difference between design, authorised and plated weights. See Vehicle Weight Definitions. Impact of Vehicle Weight on Other Areas Vehicle weights have an impact on many other areas of relevance to the operator. Among these are the following. Operator licensing. Driving licences. Vehicle Excise Duty. Speed limits. Speed limiters. Details will be found in the various relevant topics in the sections on Goods Vehicle Operations and Licences. Plating Certificate Regulations The Goods Vehicle (Plating and Testing) Regulations 1988 specify that, subject to certain exemptions, goods vehicles over 3500kg maximum gross weight, drawbar trailers over 1020kg unladen weight and converter dollies must have a Department for Transport (DfT) plate (the Ministry Plate) securely fixed in a prominent position in the cab, or elsewhere on the vehicle if a cab is not fitted. It is the gross weight, axle weights and train weight (if any) as shown on the plate and the accompanying plating certificate that are paramount and must not be exceeded. These weights may well be different from the gross design weight and maximum authorised weight as determined by the Regulations for a number of reasons. See the topic on Plating of Goods Vehicles for details. Legislation Applicable to Vehicle Weights The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 The Construction and Use Regulations at ss.75–79 set out the basic situation regarding maximum permitted laden weights for the various classes of vehicles and vehicle combinations. These sections have been largely superseded by the Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) Regulations 1998, as amended, but remain in force for certain types of vehicle and as alternatives for others. The details of maximum weights under the Construction and Use Regulations will be found in the Employer Factsheet: Alternative Maximum Weights. The Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) Regulations 1998 The Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) Regulations 1998, as amended, allow the gross weights of goods vehicles operating within the UK to come into line with weights laid down in Directive 85/3/EEC as last amended by Directive 96/53/EEC. In addition, the Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) (Amendment) Regulations 2000 allow articulated vehicles with at least six axles and rigid vehicles and trailers with at least six axles to operate at increased weights provided certain conditions are complied with. These regulations apply to goods vehicles and trailers in category N2, N3, O2 and O3 except those vehicle combinations used on intermodal transport operations which fulfil the requirements of Part II, III or IIIA of schedule A to the Constructions and Use Regulations and those first registered before 1 January 1999, for which the gross weights contained in the Construction and Use Regulations remain as alternatives. If the maximum authorised weight of a vehicle is increased, it must be up-plated and new plating certificates obtained. If the design weight of the vehicle as shown on the Ministry plate is higher than the current maximum GB weight limits, replating will not normally require a vehicle inspection. Note: The Central Licensing Office in Leeds, which holds the details of the O-licence, should be notified of any changes so that the records of the weights of vehicles can be amended. The Road Vehicles (Authorisation of Special Types) (General) Order 2003 Specially constructed goods vehicles, known as special types vehicles, are available for the carriage of abnormal indivisible loads of a size or weight that cannot be carried within the terms of the Construction and Use Regulations or the Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) Regulations. These vehicles operate under the Road Vehicles (Authorisation of Special Types) (General) Order 2003 (STGO). STGO vehicles may be authorised to operate at up to 150,000kg subject to certain special requirements. For information, see the Abnormal Loads topic. Maximum Authorised Weights for Vehicles The method of determining maximum weights in the UK was aligned with the EU on 1 January 1999 by the Road Vehicles (Authorised Weight) Regulations 1998 as explained above. The regulations provide both a method for calculating the maximum weight and a set of figures that must not be exceeded whatever the result of the calculation. Determining Maximum Authorised Weight The method involves a calculation multiplying the axle spread (the distance, in metres, between the foremost and rearmost axles of a rigid vehicle or between the kingpin and the rearmost axle of a semi-trailer) by a factor laid down in the regulations. Different factors apply to different types of vehicle and different numbers of axles, as shown in Table 1. Table 1: Weight Factors for Rigid Motor Vehicles, Tractor Units, Trailers and Articulated Vehicles Vehicle Weight Factor (kg/m) Rigid motor vehicle with: 2 axles 6000 3 axles 5500 4 or more axles 5000 Tractor unit with: 2 axles 6000 3 or more axles 6000 Trailer, not being a semi-trailer or a centre-axle trailer, with: 2 axles 6000 3 or more axles 5500 Articulated vehicle 3 or more axles 5500 For details of how the weight factor is used to determine the configuration of a vehicle, see worked examples in Determining Authorised Weight. Maximum Weight Under Any Circumstances The regulations also provide the maximum weights that may not be exceeded by different configurations of vehicle under any circumstances, irrespective of the result of the calculation using the weight factor. These are shown in Table 2 and 3 below. Table 2: Weight Not to be Exceeded in Any Circumstances — Rigid Vehicles, Tractor Units and Trailers Vehicle Maximum authorised weight (kg) Rigid goods vehicle with: 2 axles 18,000; 19,000 if alternatively fuelled vehicle 3 axles 25,000; 26,000 if alternatively fuelled vehicle (26,000; 27,000 if alternatively fuelled vehicle*) 4 or more axles 30,000 (32,000*) Tractor unit with: 2 axles 18,000 3 or more axles 25,000 (26,000*) Trailer, not being a semi-trailer or a centre-axle trailer, with: * To operate at these weights, either the driving axle, not being a steering axle, is fitted with twin tyres and road-friendly suspension, or each driving axle is fitted with twin tyres and each axle does not exceed 9500kg maximum weight. 2 axles 3 or more axles 18,0000 24,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblh Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 How the brake failure is possible using air brakes? I thought its bit difficult to drive if losing air from the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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