Thaksin says Thai lockdown a mistake

[elliss]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How is that the fault of WHO. Are countries obliged to follow what they say?

 

      The President of the USA , has ended his financial support to these scammers .

           WHO , have proved themselves to be unreliable in their scientific decisions ..?

          UK and EU ,  should cease supporting ,  this so called organisation, Asap .

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by elliss

[JohnBZ]

I believe that ban on foreign entry is correct but domestic lock down is a mistake.  For two months, it is insane.

 

Now it is time to lift foreign ban and domestic lockdown.  sooner the better

[KhaoNiaw]

54 minutes ago, CGW said:

He was so corrupt they actually charged him! 

They charged him because he was stepping on toes. Not saying he wasn't hugely corrupt but, as with Thaksin, the corruption was real but the charges were political. 

[tomazbodner]

4 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

they might eventually find a cure for Covid19. 

Don't count on it, though. 3 decades ago, when HIV was discovered, pharmaceutical companies and politicians promised vaccine within 12-18 months. During SARS epidemic, vaccine was promised in 18 months.

 

Seen any around yet? They're nearly 30 and 20 years overdue...

[JackThompson]

Easy to say:

1. In hindsight - knowing the nature of the virus, NOW
2. When every death would be blamed on you (as head-of-state) if you did not do what the WHO was saying "Had To Be Done to Save Lives"

Sadly, politics have perpetuated this shutdown - is why almost no leaders said "no" to it.  Their political-opponents would have screamed, "blood on your hands," for every death. 

 

Logically, the lockdown should have ended as soon as we had better data - a month ago - when it became evident that only the elderly and infirm needed to avoid going out in public or being in contact with those who did.

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, thai006 said:

... when you no work in thailand u not got money like these other country    , oh yeah 5000b  what a joke some people just spend that mount of money in just one night here lol 

Most who applied never got it, either.  Most who applied don't even know anyone who applied and got it.  Most covered by Social Security haven't been paid, either. 

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Don't count on it, though. 3 decades ago, when HIV was discovered, pharmaceutical companies and politicians promised vaccine within 12-18 months. During SARS epidemic, vaccine was promised in 18 months.

 

Seen any around yet? They're nearly 30 and 20 years overdue...

 

What do you expect from Big Pharma?  Cure the disease and you only get paid once.  Treat the chronic condition and you can soak the patients for decades.

 

[DirtyHarry55]

2 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

two thousand people were murdered within one month during takhsin's "war on drugs".

so i don't think he could care less about few thousand more dying of covid to "save the economy".

 

Do you have a link for that claim that 2000 people were murdered? Thanks

[vermin on arrival]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Please Google: Thaksin/drugs/extrajudicial killing

Yes, it was bad, but he did do it at someone else's request and that is all I will/can say on it.

[vermin on arrival]

1 hour ago, KhaoNiaw said:

They charged him because he was stepping on toes. Not saying he wasn't hugely corrupt but, as with Thaksin, the corruption was real but the charges were political. 

I remember being really angry with him and wanting to see him go for so many reasons. There were so many things I thought he did wrong, and I was so glad he left, but the problem is what do we get instead.

[DirtyHarry55]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Please Google: Thaksin/drugs/extrajudicial killing

Unfortunately drugs always bring bad news but you notice something in Thailand today there's no longer a drug problem.
Now google 2010 crackdown those were civilians killed and not drug dealers.

[VocalNeal]

5 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

but you notice something in Thailand today there's no longer a drug problem.

What bush have you been hiding under. There are drugs everywhere especially in every small low rent housing area. Also loan sharks and other pillars of society.

Edited May 14, 2020 by VocalNeal

[seajae]

2 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Unfortunately drugs always bring bad news but you notice something in Thailand today there's no longer a drug problem.
Now google 2010 crackdown those were civilians killed and not drug dealers.

think you need to open your eyes or at least read more, drugs are still a problem here and have been for years, if you have lived here for a few years you should be well aware of it 

[DirtyHarry55]

19 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

What bush have you been hiding under. There are drugs everywhere especially in every small low rent housing area. Also loan sharks and other pillars of society.

But you can't compare it to 2003 and a lot less people being killed by drug dealers

yes of course you still some you hear it on the news funny they always seem to Foreigners.
Funny some foreigners hate Thaksin about the war on drugs but most Thai's think it was the best thing he did wonder why.

Edited May 14, 2020 by DirtyHarry55

[peter14]

We miss you come back soon. Thailand is province of china now..

[sahibji]

possibly the only one in this world to think so. 

[OneMoreFarang]

9 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And does the GF know what Thaksin did to enrich himself? Of does GF only listen what the red-shirts and facebook tell her?

In my experience there are lots of Thais who support him. And most of them don't know the truth. They believe his propaganda. Ask any of them for details about Thaksin's crimes and most of them don't know or deny, deny, deny. 

So you know better then?

Yes, better than most I would think. Because it seems most Thais don't follow the news. Maybe they follow some very one-sided shows like truth today or some facebook red-shirt stories.

 

I am in Thailand since before Thaksin came to power. I read national and international news every day. And I remember lots of news about Thaksin. I remember at that time thinking often: How long will Thais accept this kind of behavior. It was not only that he was corrupt like many, it seems he really tried to rub it in and show everybody how corrupt he can be and get away with. A prime example was the loan from Thailand to Myanmar to buy equipment from his private company. And he as PM decided to add some extra money to that loan for his private pocket.

I was here when the 2006 coup happened. The military was on the streets and everything was peaceful. People were happy and gave the soldiers flowers and soft drinks.

And I was here when the red-shirts brought chaos to town. When they burned down a bus and at that time we though how bad will it get. And it got a lot worse.

Later, in 2010, I worked sometimes in an office in the red-shirt controlled center of town and I had to ask them at their bamboo and tire barriers if they allow me to pass. And the police did obviously nothing.

I could go on and on. Thaksin divided the nation like nobody before him. He did a couple of good things but it seems his main motivation was to give out crumbs so that he could get the cake.

From time to time I ask Thai people what they think about him. And I asked them about specific scandals. Most Thais didn't know. And if I asked them where they think Thaksins money comes from their only answer was something like: Abhisit has more money - which is not true.

I am happy that the military removed Thaksin and that they removed his little clone sister. Unfortunately lots of red-shirt leaders never went to jail.

Prayut is obviously not perfect but compared to Thaksin I prefer him every day.

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Unfortunately drugs always bring bad news but you notice something in Thailand today there's no longer a drug problem.
Now google 2010 crackdown those were civilians killed and not drug dealers.

[Simon Snake]

I know thaivisa is suffering like everyone else but whats with the gazillion popup ads.  P.S Who the hell is Thaksin again - some old guy that got kicked out of the country ages ago.  Meh move on.  Trumps insulting China again - pass the popcorn.

[richards]

I am not a big political fan of any country and Thaskin I am sure is not without faults but then who is?  I will tell you this though. Having lived here in Thailand for the past 21 years life here was much better back then for me and the Thai people here is Isarn when Mr Thaskin was prime minister and that is a fact. So he has my respect. These days the government make me feel like we are not welcome here at all. Our money is but we are not. 

12 hours ago, CGW said:

Best democratically elected "Prime Minister" Thailand has ever had - unfortunately! 

 

[Mattd]

12 hours ago, Guderian said:

Well he could hardly have been expected to tell the truth and say that the government has done a world-class job of managing the virus so far. 

Please elaborate on what has been done here that can be considered as world class?

There has been no total lock down - Thankfully!

There has been enough disruption to cause a lot of unemployment, with empty promises of financial assistance.

An unnecessary curfew that achieves nothing.

Chinese etc. were allowed in up to the end of March.

No mass testing.

 

Western Governments have imposed far stricter lock downs and have seen cases balloon, which implies that the virus acts in different ways in differing areas.

IMHO the situation here is due to good luck rather than good management.

 

I think Thaksin is bang right, the whole situation worldwide has been handled badly, initially I can understand why, as they only had theoretical models to go by, over time these models have proven to be wildly inaccurate and a revaluation on the approach should be made and implemented based on the REAL data available.

 

WHO have stated that we may have to learn to live with this virus, looking at this realistically, they are probably right, if that is the case, then as a human race it is simply not practical to spend the rest of the time socially distancing, wearing masks, keeping businesses closed etc. etc.

Even the wealthier governments cannot afford to keep handing out money for long to those furloughed, assist businesses etc.

 

It scares me that the media reports stuff like xxx (country) eases lock down and cases increase, why on earth would they be surprised about that, lock downs do not stop the virus in its tracks, get on with it, ease the lock downs and let the virus take its natural course, it will do anyway, with the current measures it will just take a lot longer and cause untold misery for generations to come. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Mattd

[LukKrueng]

13 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

Who cares what Thaksin thinks? Isn't he a criminal like his sister? Typical greedy nature.

Actually his sister is a criminal like him as he was first.....

I agree with him regarding the wrongs of the lockdown as the economical hardship will hurt way more people than the covid, however, it's not like Thailand is the only country nor was it the first under lockdown, and as the whole world is basically under lockdown and there are hardly any flights going anywhere it would make no difference if Thailand would have stayed open. 

As for SARS - he wasn't here during that outbreak so he didn't deal with it. And the bird flu - 1. His way of dealing with it was to say there is no such thing and to "prove" his point he arranged a chicken bbq for all members of parliament at sanam luang (only no one knows if he used Thai chickens or imported chickens...) and 2. Chicken flu didn't spread from human to human as far as I can remember. 

But he was already very good at sweet talk....

[KKr]

Hindsight is 2020

[Mattd]

12 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

As for SARS - he wasn't here during that outbreak so he didn't deal with it.

Not a Thaksin fan by any means, however, I would dispute your statement, he was PM from 2001 to 2006 and SARS was first officially identified in Thailand on 11th March 2003

[TEFLKrabi]

12 hours ago, thai006 said:

taksin is right by the way  thailand is not country like france , germany , UK  

 

 when you no work in thailand u not got money like these other country    , oh yeah 5000b  what a joke some people just spend that mount of money in just one night here lol 

But when you’re in Thailand you usually have family to fall back on.... not like in Western Europe. It’s where south east Asia easily puts the west to shame.

[bkkbudddy]

Greetings,

Thaksin, he has a mild case of dementia and he's a criminal, so we just need to tell him shut-up and don't forget to take his morning medications!

 

[Ian C HH]

More TV warriors at play! Isn’t it amazing that In UK Boris is being lambasted by Sir Kier for not locking down quickly enough and killing tens of thousands needlessly, and here in Thailand Prayut ( who’s NOT on my Christmas card list by the way) is being lambasted for locking down early and only losing 56? 
everyone who DIDNT have yo make the decisions is now an expert. Well done guys. 

[fxe1200]

19 minutes ago, bkkbudddy said:

Greetings,

Thaksin, he has a mild case of dementia and he's a criminal, so we just need to tell him shut-up and don't forget to take his morning medications!

 

He was also responsible for the tak bai massacre on October 25 2004, which we will not forget.

Edited May 15, 2020 by fxe1200

[steven100]

who cares what he thinks ... most have forgotten him anyway ... move on.

[Cisco]

Thaksin brought the first sense of democracy to the country. He was also a master at exploiting populism to serve himself through that same democracy. The others had no idea how to compete in this new era, so they reacted in the only way they knew, with fear and repression.
 

As a parallel to the COVID controversy he has addressed, would it have been better to let the fledgling democracy go through the growing pains needed for it to mature; i.e let the virus run a more natural course, or was the country better served by destroying democracy with autocratic rule...again? Their actions express their belief that Thais cannot be trusted with a democracy.
 

Hopefully, the transition to greater freedoms and democracy is inevitable. Unfortunately, the country has lost 20 years of valuable maturation of the democratic process as a result.