U.S. pulls out of Open Skies treaty, Trump's latest treaty withdrawal

[webfact]

U.S. pulls out of Open Skies treaty, Trump's latest treaty withdrawal

By Steve Holland and Jonathan Landay

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump speaks about the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic response during a meeting with Kansas Governor Laura Kelly and Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson in the Cabinet Room at the White House in Washington, U.S., May 20, 2020. REUTERS/Leah Millis

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States said on Thursday it will withdraw from the 35-nation Open Skies treaty allowing unarmed surveillance flights over member countries, the Trump administration's latest move to pull the country out of a major global treaty.

 

The administration said Russia has repeatedly violated the pact's terms. Senior officials said the pullout will formally take place in six months, but President Donald Trump held out the possibility that Russia could come into compliance.

 

"I think we have a very good relationship with Russia. But Russia didn't adhere to the treaty. So until they adhere, we will pull out," Trump told reporters.

 

His decision deepens doubts about whether Washington will seek to extend the 2010 New START accord, which imposes the last remaining limits on U.S. and Russian deployments of strategic nuclear arms to no more than 1,550 each. It expires in February.

 

Trump has repeatedly called for China to join the United States and Russia in talks on an arms control accord to replace New START. China, estimated to have about 300 nuclear weapons, has repeatedly rejected Trump’s proposal.

 

NATO allies and other countries like Ukraine had pressed Washington not to leave the Open Skies Treaty, whose unarmed overflights are aimed at bolstering confidence and providing members forewarning of surprise military attacks.

 

In Moscow, RIA state news agency quoted Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko as saying that Russia has not violated the treaty and nothing prevents the continuation of talks on technical issues that Washington calls violations.

 

The Open Skies decision followed a six-month review in which officials found multiple instances of Russian refusal to comply with the treaty.

 

Last year, the administration pulled the United States out of the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia.

 

A senior administration said U.S. officials had begun talks in recent days with Russian officials about a new round of nuclear arms negotiations to "begin crafting the next generation of nuclear arms control measures."

 

Trump’s arms control negotiator mounted a full-blown defense of the administration’s arms control policies, focusing on the president’s proposal that China join the United States and Russia on a replacement for New START.

 

 

“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion. If we have to, we will, but we sure would like to avoid it," Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control Marshall Billingslea told the Hudson Institute think tank.

 

The Open Skies treaty, proposed by U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower in 1955, was signed in 1992 and took effect in 2002. The idea is to let member nations make surveillance flights over each other's countries to build trust.

 

The officials cited a years-long effort by Russia to violate the terms, such as by restricting U.S. overflights of Russia's neighbor Georgia and the Russian military enclave in Kaliningrad on the Baltic coast.

 

In addition, they said Russia has been using its own overflights of American and European territory to identify critical U.S. infrastructure for potential attack in time of war.

 

Some experts worry that a U.S. exit from the treaty, which will halt Russian overflights of the United States, could prompt Moscow’s withdrawal, which would end overflights of Russia by the remaining members, weakening European security at a time that Russian-backed separatists are holding parts of Ukraine and Georgia.

 

Trump’s decision to leave the treaty is “premature and irresponsible,” said Daryl Kimball, head of the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

 

(Reporting By Steve Holland and Jonathan Landay; additional reporting by Doina Chiacu and Arshad Mohammed in Washington and Andrey Ostroukh in Moscow; editing by David Gregorio and Steve Orlofsky)

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

“Some experts worry that a U.S. exit from the treaty, which will halt Russian overflights of the United States, could prompt Moscow’s withdrawal, which would end overflights of Russia by the remaining members, weakening European security at a time that Russian-backed separatists are holding parts of Ukraine and Georgia.”

 

Cui Bono?!

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The administration said Russia has repeatedly violated the pact's terms. Senior officials said the pullout will formally take place in six months,

Before or after the election?

[Rimmer]

A baiting troll post has been removed

[FritsSikkink]

"“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion."

Don't know how to spend on own infrastructure and affordable medical care though.

[heybruce]

Well, he did campaign as a great deal breaker, or something like that.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Some experts worry that a U.S. exit from the treaty, which will halt Russian overflights of the United States, could prompt Moscow’s withdrawal, which would end overflights of Russia by the remaining members, weakening European security at a time that Russian-backed separatists are holding parts of Ukraine and Georgia.”

 

Cui Bono?!

"Some experts worry...." ... "could".... "would"....

[kamahele]

Um, so this means that the US cannot overfly Russia now as well. Good move Mr. Putin er, I mean Trump.

[Boon Mee]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

"Some experts worry...." ... "could".... "would"....

Well, we've heard quite enough from "experts" lately re millions of people dying due to Communist Chinese Flu now haven't we? 

[Traubert]

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Well, we've heard quite enough from "experts" lately re millions of people dying due to Communist Chinese Flu now haven't we? 

Not quite millions yet.

[keithathome]

Very shortsighted; we in the west as a more open society have a lot more to lose from this. 

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

Not quite millions yet.

Yes, millions. 2.2 million to be exact.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

 

Of course, this is just one of the "models"... well, none of them are right. Just wild guesses by political activists posing as "scientists".

[keithathome]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

OK, so Trump is like Hitler because he..... rounded up over 100,000 Americans and locked them up in internment camps? Oh wait a minute.... wrong president. My bad.

 

 

<deleted>  ??? Where does this come from ?  A title like comrad is quite likely though.  And this from a Brit !!!!

 

[IAMHERE]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

Well, he did campaign as a great deal breaker, or something like that.

The treaty is being broken by Russia. What is the proper response when a treaty is not being complied with?  Why do your part if the other party isn't doing what they promised. The 'deal' has already been broken, now a correct reaction is being sought.

[Crazy Alex]

11 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

"“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion."

Don't know how to spend on own infrastructure and affordable medical care though.

Thank you for making the case government must stop trying to fix health care, though that was obvious after the last scam failed so miraculously.

[metisdead]

A post with a trolling reference to President Trump and a reply has been removed. 

[Crazy Alex]

9 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

The treaty is being broken by Russia. What is the proper response when a treaty is not being complied with?  Why do your part if the other party isn't doing what they promised. The 'deal' has already been broken, now a correct reaction is being sought.

This is a very interesting turn of events when you think about it. The usual suspects are constantly crying about how nice Trump is to Putin and how he does what Putin wants. Now, Trump calls BS on Russia, pulls out of a treaty they keep violating and the same people come to do Putin's will. Nothing short of incredible.

[Susco]

27 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

This is a very interesting turn of events when you think about it. The usual suspects are constantly crying about how nice Trump is to Putin and how he does what Putin wants. Now, Trump calls BS on Russia, pulls out of a treaty they keep violating and the same people come to do Putin's will. Nothing short of incredible.

 

You clearly missed where Trump said ""I think we have a very good relationship with Russia."

 

Now when the US pulls out of the treaty, gives Russia reason to pull out as well, which would mean the US and Russia will not be able to make inspection flights over each country.

 

But that also would mean that European countries can not make the flight any more, which make Russia the strong man, because Trump will provide his matey with any info he needs, and Putin will fly over Europe anyway

[Almer]

1 hour ago, keithathome said:

Very shortsighted; we in the west as a more open society have a lot more to lose from this. 

Its a smoke screen for what only Donald knows

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

You clearly missed where Trump said ""I think we have a very good relationship with Russia."

 

Now when the US pulls out of the treaty, gives Russia reason to pull out as well, which would mean the US and Russia will not be able to make inspection flights over each country.

 

But that also would mean that European countries can not make the flight any more, which make Russia the strong man, because Trump will provide his matey with any info he needs, and Putin will fly over Europe anyway

Would, could, maybe... And you think Russia can't come up with a reason to withdraw as it stands? Thanks, I'll pass.

[candide]

4 hours ago, Susco said:

 

You clearly missed where Trump said ""I think we have a very good relationship with Russia."

 

Now when the US pulls out of the treaty, gives Russia reason to pull out as well, which would mean the US and Russia will not be able to make inspection flights over each country.

 

But that also would mean that European countries can not make the flight any more, which make Russia the strong man, because Trump will provide his matey with any info he needs, and Putin will fly over Europe anyway

As in the previous case, there is a convergence of interest between the US and Russia in breaking this treaty.

As previously, it has nothing to do with Russia, but all to do with China. Trump doesn't care a damn what the outcome may be for European allies.

[RadicalVestor]

This move has only 1 purpose in mind. = To sell more weapons! = But wait,  China is now the 2nd largest international Arms seller.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-2nd-biggest-arms-dealer-behind-us-ahead-of-russia-2020-1

[tropo]

18 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

"“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion."

Don't know how to spend on own infrastructure and affordable medical care though.

What is more important in this world filled with rogue nations and totalitarian regimes? Would you prefer a bumpy ride or national security, given a choice?

 

However, the infrastructure has been deteriorating for decades, so let's not make this all about Trump too. He's been working hard on medical care and trying to get money for infrastructure, unfortunately the Democrats have quite a bit of say about how money is spent.

 

 

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Susco said:

<SNIP> European countries can not make the flight any more

 US unilaterally pulled out of the agreement, as they have on a number of occasions under trump. NATO member countries who are signatories to the agreement still have overflight rights. Accordingly US will still have access to the intelligence whilst Russia will not be able to overfly the US. trump unilaterally cancels multinational agreements, yet has a woeful record of negotiating new treaties e.g. USMCA and China trade war neither of which have provided the US with significant advantages, in fact you could argue US tariffs on Chinese goods have generated more harm than good to the US economy. USMCA analysis...

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/usmca-marginal-nafta-upgrade-high-cost

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by simple1

[spidermike007]

“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion. If we have to, we will, but we sure would like to avoid it," Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control Marshall Billingslea told the Hudson Institute think tank.

 

What can one say? This is an administration that is so fabulously misguided by hubris, and false sense of America's current place in the world, and the desire to go it alone. In an era of globalization, you cannot do that, without diminishing the nation, which Trump and his ignorant band of BOBS (bottom of the barrel selections) within the administration are doing daily. Embrace dictators, coddle and protect them at all costs, and alienate every ally possible, seems to be the current Trump creed. America is going downhill fast, and this guy is precipitating the fall. 

 

Not to worry. We only have 8 months remaining of his stunning incompetence, and then we may return to civility. That is if the world embraces it's once close ally again. 

[Morty T]

A stupid treaty to begin with. " Unarmed " surveillance planes for whatever reason being translated to unarmed bombers flying over Alaska. 

[FritsSikkink]

19 hours ago, tropo said:

What is more important in this world filled with rogue nations and totalitarian regimes? Would you prefer a bumpy ride or national security, given a choice?

 

However, the infrastructure has been deteriorating for decades, so let's not make this all about Trump too. He's been working hard on medical care and trying to get money for infrastructure, unfortunately the Democrats have quite a bit of say about how money is spent.

 

 

At the moment the USA is a rogue nation.

[White Christmas13]

On 5/22/2020 at 8:33 PM, Traubert said:

Not quite millions yet.

Well he talks like his master

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2020 at 8:54 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, millions. 2.2 million to be exact.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

 

Of course, this is just one of the "models"... well, none of them are right. Just wild guesses by political activists posing as "scientists".

Absolut BS again:

[candide]

21 hours ago, tropo said:

What is more important in this world filled with rogue nations and totalitarian regimes? Would you prefer a bumpy ride or national security, given a choice?

 

However, the infrastructure has been deteriorating for decades, so let's not make this all about Trump too. He's been working hard on medical care and trying to get money for infrastructure, unfortunately the Democrats have quite a bit of say about how money is spent.

 

 

Well, it looks like it's the Republicans who oppose spending money infrastructure , same as last year.

https://www.startribune.com/early-divisions-as-congress-weighs-next-help-for-economy/569262322/