UK says PM's adviser did not break lockdown rules with 400 km drive

[evadgib]

4 hours ago, norfolkandchance said:

More revelations in the UK press this morning.

Having just watched sky's 2330hrs recording of today's press preview I find myself agreeing with the views expressed by guest panellist Matthew Sayad.

[Mavideol]

 

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

It could be argued that leaving the house to do what is right towards his family and someone else leaving his house to get his leg over are two very different reasons, how could anyone not see a difference there?

 

in both cases still breaking the law and the law is the law, equal for all and any citizen regardless of their social, financial, etc., status

 

"The government guidance is unequivocal, and is there to protect all of us."

“While there are reasons for what I did, they do not justify it and they were not legitimate reasons to be out of my home,”

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

It could be argued that leaving the house to do what is right towards his family and someone else leaving his house to get his leg over are two very different reasons, how could anyone not see a difference there?

 

Of course it is different, but both are a violation of the lockdown law. Interesting to see how this plays out.

[DoctorG]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

One rule for some another rule for others.

 

 

Well, I guess it had to happen some time CH, but I actually agree with you on this one.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

 

in both cases still breaking the law and the law is the law, equal for all and any citizen regardless of their social, financial, etc., status

 

"The government guidance is unequivocal, and is there to protect all of us."

“While there are reasons for what I did, they do not justify it and they were not legitimate reasons to be out of my home,”

Yes of course it is bwah bwah, but can I draw your attention to the verbal abuse that Dominic Cummings was getting before he embarked on his 2020 world lock down tour. Dom has been vilified and abused, Boris too by the left wing rags, they are just looking for excuses to bring him down for his great success in securing democracy for the UK and delivering on Brexit.

Yesterday I watched either Sky or the BBC news and who did they have commenting on bad boy dom, only Ed (I don't believe in democracy) Davey, Alistair (we want another referendum) Campbell and somebody else of equal stature, name escapes me at the moment. The left want rid of him and they are still smarting over Brexit. Give it a few more days and all will be forgotten, but what will not be forgotten is his part in Brexit and the great victory of the 2019 General Election.

[Mavideol]

Just now, vogie said:

Yes of course it is bwah bwah, but can I draw your attention to the verbal abuse that Dominic Cummings was getting before he embarked on his 2020 world lock down tour. Dom has been vilified and abused, Boris too by the left wing rags, they are just looking for excuses to bring him down for his great success in securing democracy for the UK and delivering on Brexit.

Yesterday I watched either Sky or the BBC news and who did they have commenting on bad boy dom, only Ed (I don't believe in democracy) Davey, Alistair (we want another referendum) Campbell and somebody else of equal stature, name escapes me at the moment. The left want rid of him and they are still smarting over Brexit. Give it a few more days and all will be forgotten, but what will not be forgotten is his part in Brexit and the great victory of the 2019 General Election.

why are you trying to convince me that what he did is/was correct, why are you trying to defend an indefensible act, wrong is wrong move on to something more positive

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes of course it is bwah bwah, but can I draw your attention to the verbal abuse that Dominic Cummings was getting before he embarked on his 2020 world lock down tour. Dom has been vilified and abused, Boris too by the left wing rags, they are just looking for excuses to bring him down for his great success in securing democracy for the UK and delivering on Brexit.

Yesterday I watched either Sky or the BBC news and who did they have commenting on bad boy dom, only Ed (I don't believe in democracy) Davey, Alistair (we want another referendum) Campbell and somebody else of equal stature, name escapes me at the moment. The left want rid of him and they are still smarting over Brexit. Give it a few more days and all will be forgotten, but what will not be forgotten is his part in Brexit and the great victory of the 2019 General Election.

So in other words, you don't care about him breaking the law because some people have not been nice to him? Or is there some other reason, maybe because you don't care about the lockdown in the first place?

Edited May 24, 2020 by stevenl

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

why are you trying to convince me that what he did is/was correct, why are you trying to defend an indefensible act, wrong is wrong move on to something more positive

With Boris having an eighty seat majority I don't have to convince anyone, nor does Dom Cummings, the lefty press tried to get rid of Priti Patel, that went well now didn't it.????????

[twocatsmac]

 

6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Ive been seeing this story on social media since yesterday and still do not understand what the outrage is. 

It’s a classic non story. I’ve just seen the press photographers not observing distancing protocols or wearing masks while shouting out questions, as he enters his car.

The police need to have a word here, I won’t hold my breath.

[evadgib]

22 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

why are you trying to convince me that what he did is/was correct, why are you trying to defend an indefensible act, wrong is wrong move on to something more positive

Shutting the fire doors to keep the rhubarb brigade at bay differs significantly from declaring tactile support.

[jimmyswale]

Steve Baker writing that Cummings must go.

 

Enough is enough. I and others saved him once before when he was driving Vote Leave to implosion. Not today. Dominic Cummings must go before he does any more harm to the UK, the Government, the Prime Minister, our institutions or the Conservative Party.

Time is up. It is time for Dom to resign so Boris can govern within the conventions and norms which will see us through. It is time to get competing expert advice, decent software and better decisions, end the lockdown and start a long, hard recovery.

 

 

https://thecritic.co.uk/boris-must-take-back-control/

Edited May 24, 2020 by jimmyswale

[david555]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Yes of course it is bwah bwah, but can I draw your attention to the verbal abuse that Dominic Cummings was getting before he embarked on his 2020 world lock down tour. Dom has been vilified and abused, Boris too by the left wing rags, they are just looking for excuses to bring him down for his great success in securing democracy for the UK and delivering on Brexit.

Yesterday I watched either Sky or the BBC news and who did they have commenting on bad boy dom, only Ed (I don't believe in democracy) Davey, Alistair (we want another referendum) Campbell and somebody else of equal stature, name escapes me at the moment. The left want rid of him and they are still smarting over Brexit. Give it a few more days and all will be forgotten, but what will not be forgotten is his part in Brexit and the great victory of the 2019 General Election.

Don't hide yourself behind Brexit for this , it is a breach of government rules , their own Conservatives rules about the pandemic ….,not Brexit 

[Phil McCaverty]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Don't hide yourself behind Brexit for this , it is a breach of government rules , their own Conservatives rules about the pandemic ….,not Brexit 

if truth be known, almost certainly Dominic Cummings' rules.

[jimmyswale]

With Baker sticking the boot in and so publically and at this time means Dom is a goner. Probably be out by COP tomorrow. 

[evadgib]

28 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

With Baker sticking the boot in and so publically and at this time means Dom is a goner. Probably be out by COP tomorrow. 

Since when has sacking-by-media been the norm & how did it not apply when Abbacus bailed her son out etc?

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[Phil McCaverty]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Since when has sacking-by-media been the norm?

Well if Boris ain't got the bottle..........

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Well if Boris ain't got the bottle..........

#151 perfectly explained (to any that saw it).

HTH

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[jimmyswale]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Since when has sacking-by-media been the norm & how did it not apply when Abbacus bailed her son out etc?

Since about at least when Thatcher resigned in whenever that was. Anyway the topic and story is about Dom Diane has thankfully dissapeared without trace. The Baker article apart from being badly written shows how much of a grudge he harbours for not getting a seat at the table and he has just absolutely savaged DC on Sophy Ridge on Sky.

 

[Phil McCaverty]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Having just watched sky's 2330hrs recording of today's press preview I find myself agreeing with the views expressed by guest panellist Matthew Sayad.

 

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

#151 perfectly explained (to any that saw it).

HTH

 

As very few people saw it and you didn't elaborate on Sayad's views, it explains nothing.

[Chelseafan]

21 hours ago, Mavideol said:

how many people did he had contact with and potentially infected in his driving journey... shame on you cummings, if you have any balls just resign to show that you follow your own covid social distancing recommendations, leaders are supposed to be an example (I know I am asking to much from you and your gang of geeks)

 

I cannot tell you how much I don't give a <deleted> about Dominic Cummings but you are asking him to resign ? REALLY ? Is that what this world has come to?. The blokes a pratt for sure and deserves public shaming but come on, lets get a little perspective here.

 

[cleopatra2]

9 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

I cannot tell you how much I don't give a <deleted> about Dominic Cummings but you are asking him to resign ? REALLY ? Is that what this world has come to?. The blokes a pratt for sure and deserves public shaming but come on, lets get a little perspective here.

 

Yes

Dominic Cummings was involved in designing the guidelines and rules 

At no point publicly has he objected to them.

The guidelines was widely interpreted that the isolation period meant staying at your current location and prohibited travelling to another property.

It now appears that Dominic wishes to re interpret the guidelines to appease his actions.

 

[evadgib]

31 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

 

As very few people saw it and you didn't elaborate on Sayad's views, it explains nothing.

The 'very few' know where to look & also know why a link could not be included in #151.

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[Baerboxer]

21 hours ago, 7by7 said:

As I said in another topic: will those who were vociferous in their condemnation of Sturgeon's support for Dr Catherine Calderwood be equally vociferous here?

 

As most of them are prominent government and Brexit supporters, somehow I doubt it!

 

Somewhat different circumstances. Dr. Calderwood admitted she made TWO non justified trips to her second home. Two, and neither of which was for a justifiable reason; she just felt like it.

 

According to the Reuters report and BBC, Cummings had a justifiable reason, wasn't ill at the time and took sensible precautions where he went to ensure his young baby could be looked after.

 

Noticeably the left wing media like The Guardian who are so outraged, are completely ignoring the trip made by Stephen Kinnock MP to see is millionaire parents, the retired former career politicians and leading socialists. How sporting of them!

 

I comments against Brexit at the time of the referendum. Attacked the May regime and her very undemocratic aspirations and have criticizes BJ and his lackluster cabinet for their inept performances. I also have attacked the treacherous Corbyn, his former hypocritical lover and their Marxist would-be chancellor. I also attacked Cummings for his non democratic aloof comments in the past.

 

However, the attacks on Cummings, in this case, are very clearly politically motivated and show a high degree of media hypocrisy when noting the lack of outage at the Kinnocks.

 

However, should the Reuters and BBC accounts prove to be false then he should resign. But Kinnock who has seemingly know justifiable reason, should too.

 

 

 

[david555]

Interesting live story line about all around the terrible one.....as more leading Conservatives asking also for his resignation....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/24/uk-coronavirus-live-dominic-cummings-under-intense-pressure-over-lockdown-breaches#comments

 

[evadgib]

23 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Since about at least when Thatcher resigned in whenever that was. Anyway the topic and story is about Dom Diane has thankfully dissapeared without trace. The Baker article apart from being badly written shows how much of a grudge he harbours for not getting a seat at the table and he has just absolutely savaged DC on Sophy Ridge on Sky.

 

You're clutching at straws if you're comparing 30+ years ago to the much more recent example I offered in comparison to this current farcical situation. On a lighter note I quite like Baker (& Ridge) and will take a look...

[david555]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

You're clutching at straws if you're comparing 30+ years ago to the much more recent example I offered in comparison to this current farcical situation. On a lighter note I quite like Baker (& Ridge) and will take a look...

O.K. let me give you a small preview

Edited May 24, 2020 by david555

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

With Boris having an eighty seat majority I don't have to convince anyone, nor does Dom Cummings, the lefty press tried to get rid of Priti Patel, that went well now didn't it.????????

 

Interesting isn't it. The same left press choose to ignore Stephen Kinnock MP breaking the law to visit his millionaire champagne socialist parents!

 

And they see no wrong in Starmer, who as DPP instructed the police not to pursue Pakistani and Bangladeshi sexual abuse gangs - in the interests of racial harmony. Or Naz Shah, who was selected for parliamentary candidate rather oddly, has been suspended for anti semetism, has continued making anti semetic remarks, and was caught openly supporting a Twitter post that said white victims of sexual abuse, young teenage girls, should shut there mouths in the interests of racial harmony! Presumably, those media sources see these people as fine upstanding and government material!

[Baerboxer]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

Interesting live story line about all around the terrible one.....as more leading Conservatives asking also for his resignation....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/24/uk-coronavirus-live-dominic-cummings-under-intense-pressure-over-lockdown-breaches#comments

 

 

He is certainly a controversial character. And I would imagine many in the Conservative Party, cabinet, and parliament don't like him and his apparent hold over the PM.

 

But, like him or not, trying to force a resignation in the court of public opinion, by hypocritical left wing rags, is nonsense. 

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Interesting isn't it. The same left press choose to ignore Stephen Kinnock MP breaking the law to visit his millionaire champagne socialist parents!

 

And they see no wrong in Starmer, who as DPP instructed the police not to pursue Pakistani and Bangladeshi sexual abuse gangs - in the interests of racial harmony. Or Naz Shah, who was selected for parliamentary candidate rather oddly, has been suspended for anti semetism, has continued making anti semetic remarks, and was caught openly supporting a Twitter post that said white victims of sexual abuse, young teenage girls, should shut there mouths in the interests of racial harmony! Presumably, those media sources see these people as fine upstanding and government material!

Methinks Boris is sitting on Starmer's performance as DPP for a later date ????

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Phil McCaverty said:

if truth be known, almost certainly Dominic Cummings' rules.

 

Indeed. He seems to exert the same influence over Boris that May's advisors, a man and woman, held over her. Only she sacked them after the disaster of her needless election which was her ruination.

 

Cummings appears much more secure. 

 

Not sure we really know enough about all his agenda and views given his position of unaccountable power.