Night of violence across America leaves streets scarred, outrage simmering

[Cryingdick]

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Edited June 1, 2020 by Cryingdick

[earlinclaifornia]

6 hours ago, pegman said:

 Systemic inequity + systemic racism = burn the place down. This will likely help Trump in the election. Similar to Nixon in 1968.

We have learned alot in 50 years.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Send me a PM of any evidence whatsoever you have and I will look at it objectively. If rightwing types are starting all this I will be the first to denounce it, and publicly say I was wrong. 

Posted earlier already, in this link it is confirmed by authorities that white supremacist groups are inciting violence. But I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/mayor-says-he-was-incorrect-in-saying-every-person-arrested-in-minneapolis-protests-was-from-out-of-state/#30fdc3b1233c 

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Looks like Joe Biden has locked up the Antifa vote.  His campaign donated to a bail fund for these “protestors”.

The blame antifa gambit is simply another obvious 45 deflection so that 45 and his party don't actually have to confront the root causes of what's happening. 

 

Structural racism in the entire society and not only in police departments. 

 

Also of course extreme economic inequality laid bare by the virus crisis. 

 

None of this is happening in a vacuum.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Jingthing

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

We have learned alot in 50 years.

We've learned that Nixon comes off looking pretty good compared to most of the presidents that followed him.

[utalkin2me]

6 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

We have learned alot in 50 years.

No we have not. 

[DoctorG]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Posted earlier already, in this link it is confirmed by authorities that white supremacist groups are inciting violence. But I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/mayor-says-he-was-incorrect-in-saying-every-person-arrested-in-minneapolis-protests-was-from-out-of-state/#30fdc3b1233c 

Thanks for trying Steven but there is nothing in there that supports the claim of right-wing or Proud Boys. 

[TopDeadSenter]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Structural racism in the entire society and not only in police departments. 

Racism is so widespread and out of control in the US that Jussie Smollett had to pay 2 black men to racially abuse him. That says it all to me. The only real racism in the USA is against white people and East Asian Americans in the form of affirmative action policies which seek to disqualify suitable candidates for a job because they are white, and give the job to unsuitable candidates because they are black. The very definition of racism. The only way forward is treat everyone the same and reward the best - ie meritocracy. 

 If youths want to spend their time hanging out with "homies" and wearing pants round their knees and idolizing gangster rap culture, and then end up poor and without hope, blaming "whiteness" for the situation is risible. Laughable in fact. And that so many are naively supporting this intellectually lazy stance is very telling.

 

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Thanks for trying Steven but there is nothing in there that supports the claim of right-wing or Proud Boys. 

From the link...

 

At the earlier press conference, Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington confirmed evidence of white supremacist groups trying to incite violence; Many posted messages online that encouraged people to go loot in Minneapolis and cause mayhem.

 

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Not saying any of what is happening is OK.

But, you are correct. 

Election wise all this now is helping Trump, not hurting him.

That is a bit out there, don't you think? NOTHING can help trump

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I agree, and it’s one of those occasions when prosecutors need to do the smart thing rather than the emotively popular thing.

 

The mistake I feel they made is there was enough evidence in the video footage to have arrested and charged the officer on Day 1, even the commonly used ‘holding charge’ would have indicated action was being taken.

 

The delay in taking action is without doubt a contributing factor to the ensuing public anger.

 

 

The Fox Five said exactly that.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts, troll posts and replies have been removed.   

 

As this is a fast moving topic,  posts will be removed with no further public notices posted. 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Thanks for trying Steven but there is nothing in there that supports the claim of right-wing or Proud Boys. 

Guess you missed this part

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At the earlier press conference, Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington confirmed evidence of white supremacist groups trying to incite violence; Many posted messages online that encouraged people to go loot in Minneapolis and cause mayhem.

 

[bkk6060]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If a private citizen had killed another private citizen in the same manner s/he would have been arrested and detained while charges are filed.

Dont believe what you see on TV.

Incorrect.  Your statement is lacking.

They can hold someone for 24 to 48 hours. During this time investigators have to collect all evidence necessary and present that to the prosecutor for charges to be filed.  If the evidence is lacking, or they do not complete their investigation during the time frame, the person is released.

The cop in this case was not going anywhere his house was surrounded by police.  They needed/wanted to do a thorough investigation in this matter and it took a few more days thus the delay in arresting him.  

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by bkk6060

[PatOngo]

2 hours ago, MyTHaiMyKe said:

Where are the democrat leaders? The mayors and governors of the cities burning and being looted are democrats! Why is it always up to the President to bale these incompetent democrats out?

Because HE is the clown who coined the stupid phrase, Make America Great Again! It wasn't a democrat governor! Who is the Commander in Chief?    

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Dont believe what you see on TV.

Incorrect.  Your statement is lacking.

They can hold someone for 24 to 48 hours. During this time investigators have to collect all evidence necessary and present that to the prosecutor for charges to be filed.  If the evidence is lacking, or they do not complete their investigation during the time frame, the person is released.

The cop in this case was not going anywhere his house was surrounded by police.  They needed/wanted to do a thorough investigation in this matter and it took a few more days thus the delay in arresting him.  

 

Not correct, the investigation does not have to be completed. It just needs to be sufficient, and the video was more than enough.

[bkk6060]

23 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

That is a bit out there, don't you think? NOTHING can help trump

No, not out there at all if you understand the US and its politics.

 

[bkk6060]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not correct, the investigation does not have to be completed. It just needs to be sufficient, and the video was more than enough.

The police, investigators, prosecutors and others involved in this obviously did not think so.

 

But, believe what you want.

Edited June 1, 2020 by bkk6060

[simple1]

43 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I was under the impression antifa are Hungarian, or at least sponsored from there, so not quite a "domestic" outfit.

Violent left and right wing groups in a number of countries. However, trump is claiming he wants to ban them as a US domestic terror group. No parallel activity by trump with white supremacists groups which the FBI have called out as a major threat to national security, not surprising as he has an extremist white supremacist as a senior adviser - Stephen Miller

 

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2020/0212/Hate-speech-spreads-FBI-adds-white-supremacy-as-national-threat

[MaxYakov]

6 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

2 hours ago, MyTHaiMyKe said:

Where are the democrat leaders? The mayors and governors of the cities burning and being looted are democrats! Why is it always up to the President to bale these incompetent democrats out?

Because HE is the clown who coined the stupid phrase, Make America Great Again! It wasn't a democrat governor! Who is the Commander in Chief?  

I think someone needs to bone up on Federalism in the USA instead of blindly posting nonsense.

[earlinclaifornia]

11 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

No, not out there at all if you understand the US and its politics.

 

That is me I think but not true of you though. I don't think these protest will get trump one more single vote. Are you American? Be honest please.

Edited June 1, 2020 by earlinclaifornia

[PatOngo]

1 minute ago, MaxYakov said:

I think someone needs to bone up on Federalism in the USA instead of blindly posting nonsense.

I don't live there, I don't really care what they do to each other, up to them! What does worry is the Chinese perception of what is happening there and how it strengthens their resolve for global  dominance!  

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

The police, investigators, prosecutors and others involved in this obviously did not think so.

 

But, believe what you want.

Someone can get charged if sufficient evidence, and evidence found later in the investigation can be added. Your claim states it can not, which is complete nonsense.

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They can hold someone for 24 to 48 hours. During this time investigators have to collect all evidence necessary and present that to the prosecutor for charges to be filed.  If the evidence is lacking, or they do not complete their investigation during the time frame, the person is released.

"or they do not complete their investigation during the time frame," is simply not true, and there was plenty of evidence in this case, more than enough to charge.

It looks like they were hoping this would blow over.

Edited June 1, 2020 by stevenl

[time2093]

Now I know where they got the idea for The Purge movie.

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, johnmell said:

Economy ruined, Pandemic still raging, now this. Trumps America in tatters.

 

Yeah, because they never had any race riots, mass looting and violence in the US before Trump!

[sawadee1947]

Is this the meaning of 'Make Amerika great again'? 

A land of violence, racism, nationalism, despotism, injustice, hate?

Wake up, Amerika! ????

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Justified frustration/anger among a great many of the working middle class already exists. It was this that had/has some misguided folks supporting The Donald. The latest police killing provides the match to set the anger in motion. We are reminded that while lip service is given systematic inequality continues with little abatement.

 

Systematic equality exists all over the world, and has done since the dawn of time.

 

It boils over in anger, violence and committing of crimes as the pressure builds up. It will, usually, result in oppression to re-establish what is known as order; or occasionally, in revolution which claims to bring change but soon re-establishes inequality.

 

Add to that a now entitlement that's been fostered in many African-Americans, and the US has a potent fuel to add to the cycle. 

 

This is what happens when politicians tinker with social engineering, trying to push the lid down on problems with small appeasements rather than tackling the actual issues. It's not politically correct to recognize the real issues and deal with them realistically. Better to pretend - until it all blows up again.

[Isaan sailor]

During my undergraduate years, I took pre-med courses with the intention of med school. But I didn’t have the marks to continue.  Minorities with similar test scores got in.  They had a lower bar.

[Baerboxer]

8 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Is this the meaning of 'Make Amerika great again'? 

A land of violence, racism, nationalism, despotism, injustice, hate?

Wake up, Amerika! ????

 

Are you seriously suggesting it was different under Obama, Bush etc etc?

 

Maybe you should wake up!

[Traubert]

4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

During my undergraduate years, I took pre-med courses with the intention of med school. But I didn’t have the marks to continue.  Minorities with similar test scores got in.  They had a lower bar.

Same in Xinjiang and other ethnicities.

 

They were never subject to the one child policy either. Seems it isnt enough to prevent violence.