Statue of scout founder Baden-Powell to be taken down in Britain

[Eric Loh]

17 hours ago, steve187 said:

getting out of hand now, there will nothing left of Britain's past, which can not be undone, the past is the past 

Outcry spreading to the far east. Statues of Sir Stamford Raffles in Singapore and Frank Swettenham in Malaysia are in peril of being removed. No one want to be reminded of those colonization days.

[Logosone]

18 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Critics say he was "a racist and supporter of Hitler".

 

I have not seen one shred of evidence to support either accusation.

 

Maybe what they mean was he wasn't an extreme left Marxist supporter so he must be bad, bad, bad.

 

Weak mindless ignorant local government left wing politicians pandering to minority groups denouncements and wanting to be seen to be politically correct. 

 

Get some spines Poole council 

Indeed hard to fathom why Baden Powell would be targeted.

 

All I could find was that Baden-Powell was accused of illegally executing a prisoner of war in 1896, the Matabele chief Uwini, who had been promised his life would be spared if he surrendered. Uwini was sentenced to be shot by firing squad by a military court, a sentence Baden-Powell confirmed. 

 

However, if that's all he did, confirm a death sentence, on a man who after all was a mass murderer as well it's hard to see where the issue is.

 

Most likely it is because Baden Powell expressed admiration for "Mein Kampf", and as we know Antifa don't like supporters of Hitler.

Edited June 12, 2020 by Logosone

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supporter of fascism, vociferous admirer of Hitler and Mussolini, racist and self loathing homophobe who liked to wear short pants and go camping with boys in the woods.

 

He was however quite a talented watercolorist.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure your willing to provide evidence and citations from reputable authors to support all your wild and contradictory accusations.

 

Otherwise we can safely assume it's politically motivated drivel.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

Indeed hard to fathom why Baden Powell would be targeted.

 

All I could find was that Baden-Powell was accused of illegally executing a prisoner of war in 1896, the Matabele chief Uwini, who had been promised his life would be spared if he surrendered. Uwini was sentenced to be shot by firing squad by a military court, a sentence Baden-Powell confirmed. 

 

However, if that's all he did, confirm a death senence, on a man who after all was a mass murderer as well it's hard to see where the issue is.

 

Most likely it is because Baden Powell expressed admiration for "Mein Kampf", and as we know Antifa don't like supporters of Hitler.

 

It's important to read books like Mein Kampf, Kruschev Remembers, etc etc. Political biographies can be very revealing and help learn lessons that might stop repeating mistakes.

 

The idea of erasing history you don't like and informing people only what you want them to know, to shape their thoughts as you want, is very much out of the Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc playbook.

 

One poster on here, the usual anti anything British one, has made a number of serious accusations about Baden-Powell. I've challenged him to provide his reliable sources. Or we must assume it's politically motivated racist drivel.

[Denim]

If I were an employer in the UK looking to fill a vacancy I think I would stipulate animals only need apply. Human beings are just way to much trouble with their foibles and sense of entitlement. Gimmie a smart labrador any time.

 

On the other hand , if I were to employ any more border collies to round up sheep the poodles would be on the streets and no lamppost would be safe.

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Outcry spreading to the far east. Statues of Sir Stamford Raffles in Singapore and Frank Swettenham in Malaysia are in peril of being removed. No one want to be reminded of those colonization days.

 

Any statues of the Lee dictatorial dynasty knocking around for removal too?

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Calm down, the statue has been removed following police advice.

 

It’s removal is cautionary and not some plot to undo anybody’s past.

 

Though I hope Biden-Powell’s past is examined before this statue, which is only a little over ten yes old, is reinstated to its former position.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-53004638

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Mr Jeal said: "It was all to do with the outward bound life - it was only these references to character-training that he found appealing, not Hitler's hatred of Jews.

"Baden-Powell condemned Hitler for being a megalomaniac and for mounting what he called 'huge pageants for hypnotising his people'.

"He hated totalitarianism, twice hoped that he would be able to marry Jewish women and chose a Jewish doctor."

Historian Dr Andrew Norman said the Nazis vowed to execute Baden-Powell in the event of a successful invasion of Britain.

He said: "He wanted to introduce the Scout movement into Germany to foster friendship between the two countries.

"His efforts were in vain, and for his pains he was put on a Nazi death list because the Germans suspected he was using scouts as spies." Souce BBC, Mr Teal was his biographer. 

 

Somewhat different to the picture being presented by a former Labour parliamentary candidate who didn't get elected. 

 

Took 2 minutes to do that.

 

We look forward to all your sources to support all your various accusations.

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supporter of fascism, vociferous admirer of Hitler and Mussolini, racist and self loathing homophobe who liked to wear short pants and go camping with boys in the woods.

 

He was however quite a talented watercolorist.

 

 

 

 

 

Nonsense.

 

But interesting that so many others simply liked your politically motivated fake news post without bothering to spend a few minutes checking.

 

Political propaganda relies so much on no one checking the actual truth.

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Any statues of the Lee dictatorial dynasty knocking around for removal too?

Lee KY is a strong opponent of monuments especially himself. He even made clear that his home at Oxley Road should be demolished upon his passing. Nice try to defame a good man. 

[laosnative]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

That's right. There are leftists with so much time on their hand all they do is look up maps and indentify statues they suggest should be destroyed. This is not a joke, there is actually a website dedicated to this.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8407797/78-statues-monuments-risk-torn-Topple-Racists-campaign.html

Are they coming for me yet?

[Penicillin]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I always though snipers placed on tops of buildings, with instructions 'head shots only' was the way forward in situations like this.

If you’re talking about the “little head“, I did read that the police are getting some decent nut sack shots with rubber bullets....ouch ????

[Sydebolle]

OK, once they've steamrollered entire Rome and Athens, carry on the good work with the pyramids in Egypt, the Taj Mahal in Agra, the entire city of Bagan (Nyaung-U), the Khmer ruins of Angkor before taking down the Great Wall of China. 

This is all smokescreen for something much, much bigger - or the entire planet has lost its plot and common sense went out the window - your call! 

[Jim1000]

 What cheek ! They will be wanting  to remove that statue of  Nick Von Hoogstraten  on Brighton seafront next !

[Guffman]

The UK in 2030

 

 Person 1 : Can you give me your new address?

 Person 2 : Yes, it's 69 David Lammy Circus. Just across from the Ash Sarkar statue

[Mansell]

All a bit ridiculous in my book. To me it’s like the people who say bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki should never have happened. My question is, where you there in that time? If not you can have an uninformed opinion which doesn’t mean much. Directing their hatred towards statues of long dead people is okay I suppose......but they are based on a different time, a different world with other values....it has no effect on the dead folks....but where do you stop? All a bit silly to me.

[Libai]

 

This getting way out of hand.  We are being bullied by a minority the Far Left Marxist Mob. The great Purveyors of Morality or to my mind the instigators of violence, bullying and blind stupidity with their argument that we are wrong and they are right. Their argument is Black and White. There is no colour in their thinking or debate, simply shut up and do as we say or else we will shout louder and vandalise and destroy. Because I am white I am  labelled  privileged and racist. I refuse to be bullied by the Left. 

[Rimmer]

A profanity laced troll/flame has been removed

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

Oh that's ok then, very fair, a black person is "preferred" over a white person....don't you just see the irony and hypocrisy of it all...

According to laws in many countries yes, that is ok.

[Burma Bill]

Simple answer - re-erect it on Brownsea Island, in Poole Harbour, which is owned by The National Trust:-

 

[natway09]

The world has gone mad.

We should look at history as something we cannot change & try & do better,

not just destroy it

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, Burma Bill said:

Simple answer - re-erect it on Brownsea Island, in Poole Harbour, which is owned by The National Trust:-

 

My thoughts too, although RMB poole (with a sign saying 'now come and get it!') would be a good alternative ????

 

As far as i'm aware it remains in situ this morning.

[transam]

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supporter of fascism, vociferous admirer of Hitler and Mussolini, racist and self loathing homophobe who liked to wear short pants and go camping with boys in the woods.

 

He was however quite a talented watercolorist.

 

 

 

 

Now I didn't know you were that old and followed the blokes adventures....Or were you his tailor that liked camping...Did you hold his easel....?  ????

[Burma Bill]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

 RMB poole (with a sign saying 'now come and get it!'

Yes indeed, RMB Poole would definitely be a "safe" location.

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Simple answer - re-erect it on Brownsea Island, in Poole Harbour, which is owned by The National Trust:-

 

But why should any innocuous object be removed to placate a minority group that are breaking the law. The police should not just stand back and watch a frenzied mob commit crimes, it has been reported that Churchills Monument and the Cenotaph are now being boarded up so the howling rabid mob cannot get to them, if the Cenotaph, probably one of our most sacred monuments is not safe, there is something very serious wrong with the way we brainwash our young, they are not certainly being taught to think for themselves.

[PETERTHEEATER]

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Though I hope Biden-Powell’s past is examined before this statue, which is only a little over ten yes old, is reinstated to its former position.

Bending over a boy scout?

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

But why should any innocuous object be removed to placate a minority group that are breaking the law. The police should not just stand back and watch a frenzied mob commit crimes, it has been reported that Churchills Monument and the Cenotaph are now being boarded up so the howling rabid mob cannot get to them, if the Cenotaph, probably one of our most sacred monuments is not safe, there is something very serious wrong with the way we brainwash our young, they are not certainly being taught to think for themselves.

That brainwashing is being done by social media and MSM. The whole lot needs to be reined in and dressed back 30+ years to a time where the former didn't exist and the latter could still be trusted.

[JackThompson]

19 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Removing the statues is a start, but the Inquisition is quickly going to run out of those...

 

Time to think about burning some books!

Amazon already has that covered.  They have digitally-burned far more books than nazis - and if I recall, that was primarily pornography, at least in the infamous photo.

[Kadilo]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

That brainwashing is being done by social media and MSM. The whole lot needs to be reined in and dressed back 30+ years to a time where the former didn't exist and the latter could still be trusted.

Those were the days!

[Baerboxer]

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

But why should any innocuous object be removed to placate a minority group that are breaking the law. The police should not just stand back and watch a frenzied mob commit crimes, it has been reported that Churchills Monument and the Cenotaph are now being boarded up so the howling rabid mob cannot get to them, if the Cenotaph, probably one of our most sacred monuments is not safe, there is something very serious wrong with the way we brainwash our young, they are not certainly being taught to think for themselves.

 

Note that it's all councils run by Labour that our rushing to do this. And Labour is now dominated at all levels by the Corbynista Momentum that hates British people, culture, history, and society with a passion.

 

Statues, and monuments. Then books and performing arts. Then ensuring only teachers and educators with the "right political views" are employed. Then censoring the media.

 

And people are watching it happen.

 

Hopefully all those intelligent people who rebelled against Corbyn and his cretins in the GE will do the same at the local elections and vote these Momentum muppets out.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

According to laws in many countries yes, that is ok.

 

Name the countries and quote the laws you refer to please?