In London skirmishes, suspected far-right protester is rescued

[MaxYakov]

A "suspected far right protester" Good one! One step above a "far right protester of interest" I suppose.

[herfiehandbag]

14 hours ago, simple1 said:

In one of the articles it mentions the white guy was being rescued from a beating by alleged BLM members. I really don't know why you and others always expect all the details to be immediately available The police do need time to complete their investigations and if appropriate to brief the media, as well as for media to also complete their investigations if relevant people are willing to talk to them.

We do not necessarily expect all the questions, for example why he was attacked, to be answered before the investigation is complete. Others, such as why, despite being present in force (police in full riot gear do not mooch around in pairs, they operate as cohesive squads) they did not intervene, can and should be answered more quickly.

 

Secondly, we should ask, and continue to ask, these questions to ensure that they are answered!

Edited June 16, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[Chomper Higgot]

On 6/14/2020 at 9:48 AM, twocatsmac said:

“A far-right protester” ?

Great use of language by the “ far left media” 

 

and a great photo opportunity by the “far left police” who are famous for not doing their job properly these last few weeks.

‘Far left media’ and now ‘Far left police’.

 

You’re disappearing down the hole you yourself are digging.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, torturedsole said:

You couldn't make it up, but a good indication as to where the UK's heading and it's not going to be towards nirvana.  

There’ plenty of good things in the UK, not least a guy carrying somebody who holds diametrically opposing views to safety.

[TopDeadSenter]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Far left media’ and now ‘Far left police’.

 

You’re disappearing down the hole you yourself are digging.

You might be right. If having a wee next to a statue is a much worse crime than defacing, smashing and throwing the statue into a river. Just lucky the lefty rioters, all 100,000 of them did not take any wees on the day they were smashing British culture to pieces under the proud eyes of London's police farce.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Already argued and and explained but you have conveniently ignored this. You claim the post as factual, so you agree with it. The threat to democracy has recently been instigated by the left because mob rule is not democratic, but 'people like yourself' deny it and do not want to acknowledge this.

Peaceful protest is definitely democratic.

 

We should go back and review comments from a week ago when a racist ex-con (With a habit of changing his name) was calling for his racist followers to confront the protesters.

 

Who amongst us was it cheering this call to bring racist thugs to a fight?!

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, robblok said:

Not ok is when companies that are not funded with public funds (taxes do it) then its discrimination.

Private enterprise can charge whatever they like. It's called capitalism. If they can make more by charging ALL foreigners extra then up to them. It's only if they target a specific race of people that it's unlawful ( at least in many countries ).

[stevenl]

40 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You might be right. If having a wee next to a statue is a much worse crime than defacing, smashing and throwing the statue into a river. Just lucky the lefty rioters, all 100,000 of them did not take any wees on the day they were smashing British culture to pieces under the proud eyes of London's police farce.

There were not 100.000 rioters, and calling the police far left is simply stupid.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, stevenl said:

There were not 100.000 rioters, and calling the police far left is simply stupid.

You are making it up. Where did he say that the police were far left? Farce is not an indication of political bias. However, they are indeed supporting lefties by not arresting them when they break the law.

[vogie]

37 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Peaceful protest is definitely democratic.

 

We should go back and review comments from a week ago when a racist ex-con (With a habit of changing his name) was calling for his racist followers to confront the protesters.

 

Who amongst us was it cheering this call to bring racist thugs to a fight?!

Peaceful protests may be democratic, but the BLM protests were anything but peaceful, throwing missiles at police horses and injuring the rider is not peaceful, infact the government have passed a law saying, in London it is now againgst the law to demonstrate with more than 6 people due to the covid19 pandendemic. So it looks like the demonstrators are now going to have to demonstrate from home and pull their own houses down.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, robblok said:

Maybe you should read better, and put the beer down. I only made a comment about you supporting the right wing as you do in this topic. You support their actions while they were the one attacking the police. 

 

The other part about Thai bashing was a general remark not aimed at you (i used you for the first part then went on in generalities). Havent seen you bash at all but in general the narrow minded people who support the right wing thoughts are often those that bash Thais too. So to make it clear I only said you support the actions of these right wingers not accuse you of Thaibashing.

 

When the cops won't do their job and the lefties are breaking things, don't blame people for turning to those that oppose the vandals. Seems the government has forgotten history. Society turns to whomever protects them when the government and the cops won't.

[BobBKK]

On 6/14/2020 at 10:05 AM, robblok said:

That is the police its job, and if the black lives matter had a city permit to go there then they were in their right. No need to take the law into your own hands. 

Antifa do that daily?  look at the mobs. send in the troops when looting occurs and protect the peaceful demos.

[thaibeachlovers]

53 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’ plenty of good things in the UK, not least a guy carrying somebody who holds diametrically opposing views to safety.

Do we even know what their politics are? Seems to me there are a lot of assumptions going on. He could have just been in the wrong place and was attacked by thugs for being white.

If any have proof that he was physically attacking the mob and they acted in self defense please enlighten me.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are making it up. Where did he say that the police were far left? Farce is not an indication of political bias. However, they are indeed supporting lefties by not arresting them when they break the law.

I'm not making it up, see post #7. 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When the cops won't do their job and the lefties are breaking things, don't blame people for turning to those that oppose the vandals. Seems the government has forgotten history. Society turns to whomever protects them when the government and the cops won't.

Your right wing heroes attacked the cops.. the irony. Not so much protecting anything as rioting. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your right wing heroes attacked the cops.. the irony. Not so much protecting anything as rioting. 

I said they opposed the vandals. Did I mention the police in any context except how they won't do their job and arrest the left wing mob?

 

When they start destroying statues get back to us, though any statues glorifying the left might be in danger of retaliation.

Edited June 16, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’ plenty of good things in the UK, not least a guy carrying somebody who holds diametrically opposing views to safety.

Yes I agree, an heroic act in deed, what I did find cowardly though was the BLM 'demonstrators' still beating the man as he was being carried.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes I agree, an heroic act in deed, what I did find cowardly though was the BLM 'demonstrators' still beating the man as he was being carried.

What I find disgusting is that it took a good Samaritan to carry him out when it should have been the cops. A police farce indeed.

[herfiehandbag]

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes I agree, an heroic act in deed, what I did find cowardly though was the BLM 'demonstrators' still beating the man as he was being carried.

No, no, no. That was "self defense", or possible justifiable retribution for the continued agony brought on by slavery. No matter, it was not serious enough to attract any reaction from the attendant squads of riot police.

 

Interesting that one of his assailants appears to be wearing one of those "Wehrmacht stahlhelm" style crash helmets so popular here in Thailand. Unconscious irony perhaps?

Edited June 16, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I said they opposed the vandals. Did I mention the police in any context except how they won't do their job and arrest the left wing mob?

 

When they start destroying statues get back to us, though any statues glorifying the left might be in danger of retaliation.

If they opposed the vandals they would have formed a ring around statues held a peaceful protest. That would not be a call out and mass attack on the police. You know I think actions speak louder then words. Just like the black guy carrying one of those right wingers back to safety.

 

You do your best to defend these white extremists while their actions show they were not there to protect any statues just to riot and fight. Majority of Black life protesters are peaceful but the majority of those white right wingers attacked the police. Do you see the difference. 

 

The irony.

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, vogie said:

Peaceful protests may be democratic, but the BLM protests were anything but peaceful, throwing missiles at police horses and injuring the rider is not peaceful, infact the government have passed a law saying, in London it is now againgst the law to demonstrate with more than 6 people due to the covid19 pandendemic. So it looks like the demonstrators are now going to have to demonstrate from home and pull their own houses down.

Given the reveal presence of agent provocateurs from across the political spectrum your claims regarding who is acting violently need some verification.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What I find disgusting is that it took a good Samaritan to carry him out when it should have been the cops. A police farce indeed.

That the Black guy, who is also a Good Samaritan, rescued a guy who was there to demonstrate diametrically opposing views is not something to which any rational person would attach any disgust.

 

And like since when has it been the police’s job to ‘rescue people’ who go out looking for a fight?

 

Hats of to the dignity and respect shown by the Black guy to someone who very likely hates him.

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, robblok said:

If they opposed the vandals they would have formed a ring around statues held a peaceful protest. That would not be a call out and mass attack on the police. You know I think actions speak louder then words. Just like the black guy carrying one of those right wingers back to safety.

 

You do your best to defend these white extremists while their actions show they were not there to protect any statues just to riot and fight. Majority of Black life protesters are peaceful but the majority of those white right wingers attacked the police. Do you see the difference. 

 

The irony.

If you had watched the live feed video on YouTube you would have seen that was what happened in Trafalgar Square. A ring of disappointingly ordinary looking people ( not a shaven head, Millwall FC shirt or Nazi salute amongst them) formed around the base of Nelson's Column. This provocative, unreasonable and thuggish behaviour quite understandably led to several "surges" by large groups of protesters co-ordinated and (quite effectively) organised by a man with a megaphone standing on the adjacent raised terraces. Every time the police withdrew their base line (as of course you do when this sort of thing is going on) the megaphone started and the surge recommenced. Prominent amongst the protesters was a woman shrieking "you <deleted> Judas!" - understandably frustrated by the vicious behaviour demonstrated by these right wing thugs; although I suppose she may have been calling out the police for not baton charging those ringing the monument.

 

The irony.

[BritManToo]

On 6/14/2020 at 10:15 AM, twocatsmac said:

As ive said before black people already enjoy many privileges over whites in the UK. 

............ and women.

White guys are the bottom of the pile in the UK.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That the Black guy, who is also a Good Samaritan, rescued a guy who was there to demonstrate diametrically opposing views is not something to which any rational person would attach any disgust.

 

And like since when has it been the police’s job to ‘rescue people’ who go out looking for a fight?

 

Hats of to the dignity and respect shown by the Black guy to someone who very likely hates him.

Have got a link that the injured gentleman was "out for a fight" or is this another hyperbole statement. And another assumption that the white guy "very likely hates him" I would not like to be the accused in a court of law if you were the judge.

[robblok]

5 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

If you had watched the live feed video on YouTube you would have seen that was what happened in Trafalgar Square. A ring of disappointingly ordinary looking people ( not a shaven head, Millwall FC shirt or Nazi salute amongst them) formed around the base of Nelson's Column. This provocative, unreasonable and thuggish behaviour quite understandably led to several "surges" by large groups of protesters co-ordinated and (quite effectively) organised by a man with a megaphone standing on the adjacent raised terraces. Every time the police withdrew their base line (as of course you do when this sort of thing is going on) the megaphone started and the surge recommenced. Prominent amongst the protesters was a woman shrieking "you <deleted> Judas!" - understandably frustrated by the vicious behaviour demonstrated by these right wing thugs; although I suppose she may have been calling out the police for not baton charging those ringing the monument.

 

The irony.

Right.. all the news articles are wrong where they say it was the extreme right that attacked the police. Maybe it was an other location. Cant say that for sure as i seen the news looked totally different. 

 

Quote

 

The clashes in London on Saturday occurred as hundreds of demonstrators, mostly white men, descended on the capital, ostensibly to protect statues from vandalism. The protest, organised by far-right groups, turned violent when hundreds of self-proclaimed “statue defenders” took over areas near the Houses of Parliament and Trafalgar Square and hurled missiles, smoke grenades, glass bottles and flares at police officers.

 

 

Even the PM convicted this.. so are they all wrong ?

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

............ and women.

White guys are the bottom of the pile in the UK.

????????

 

Your so funny

 

Tell me where are the black MP's look at the leaders of industry where are the black ones high up the organisation. You really are full of self pitty.

Edited June 16, 2020 by robblok

[twocatsmac]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

????????

 

Your so funny

 

Tell me where are the black MP's look at the leaders of industry where are the black ones high up the organisation. You really are full of self pitty.

Congratulations, you’ve won the hilarious post of the month.

”leaders of industry” lol.

[herfiehandbag]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Right.. all the news articles are wrong where they say it was the extreme right that attacked the police. Maybe it was an other location. Cant say that for sure as i seen the news looked totally different. 

 

 

 

 

Even the PM convicted this.. so are they all wrong ?

I report what I saw on the YouTube feed - my comments are coloured with a little understanding and experience of the tactics of both rioters and those (the police) facing them.

 

I suggest that the news reports (and even perhaps your consumption of them) may be somewhat selective.

 

It is beyond doubt that there were some very noisy and deeply unpleasant characters present on Saturday. They were by no means a majority. 

Edited June 16, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

Right.. all the news articles are wrong where they say it was the extreme right that attacked the police. Maybe it was an other location. Cant say that for sure as i seen the news looked totally different. 

Problem being, all the news sources are extreme left.