UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[3NUMBAS]

leaving the EU is like trying to leave a mexican drug cartel ,you cant ,a bullet in the head is the normal exit

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

democracy does not end after one vote.

But the Referendum on Brexit does ????.

 

I can just imagine if the Scottish Indyref voted for Independence by 52/48. The Scots nationalists on here would all be begging for a "people's vote" to overturn the result wouldn't they?

 

 

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Like being savaged by a dead sheep. Asked a question in a civil manor and reply's with the usual Conservative yah boo style.  

His hypocrisy knows no bounds either. Given he is a rabid British nationalist along with the rest of his Brexiteer chums.

Amazing how you can call someone a rabid British nationalist with such disdain when you yourself are a rabid Scottish nationalist. Yet you have the gall to talk of hypocrisy.

 

I guess nationalism is only good when it's your nationalism. Otherwise it's bigoted and small minded. 

[tebee]

Brexit is a  "disaster in 10,000 pieces" now underway, All the promises are starting to be proved unfounded,  I'll take absolutely no pleasure in being proved right.

 

All i want to do is to make people see clearly that the Brexitist liars & fantasists are directly responsible for every harm & loss that results from their "triumph"

 

So many were conned by their lies and still refuse to admit it too themselves. It's a sad statement on the state of education in the UK today. 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

leaving the EU is like trying to leave a mexican drug cartel ,you cant ,a bullet in the head is the normal exit

How dare you? The EU is a wonderful, benevolent, democratic organization. ????????

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

What homework?

Oh you mean the BS you came out with about countries not having a veto?

OK yeah so they moved a lot of less important issues into a majority vote. But countries still have a veto over more important issues. As you pointed out with your example of another less important issue being moved to majority vote.

Of course if you are right then you will no longer be able to claim that Spain will veto Scotlands application to join the EU wont you?

Or are you still going to be claiming that?

If you had read it you would know that it is not BS. If you think that control of foreign policy is not an important 'issue' for the UK, then I am obviously wasting my time. I have not commented on Spain in these Brexit threads, except to comment on the wasteful practises of their fishermen. 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Amazing how you can call someone a rabid British nationalist with such disdain when you yourself are a rabid Scottish nationalist. Yet you have the gall to talk of hypocrisy.

 

I guess nationalism is only good when it's your nationalism. Otherwise it's bigoted and small minded. 

No I am pro independence not a Scottish nationalist. Theres a big difference between the two.

Brexiteers with their sense of exceptionalism and entitlement are true nationalists. 

Is it any wonder the polls now show a continual and growing majority in Scotland when you see government ministers behaving like Gove and deliberately using the wrong name for the Scottish National Party.

Then we have no less a figure than the Prime Minister claiming there is no border between Scotland and England.

Have you any idea how these things play to an audience in Scotland?

Long may it continue though. It might give British Nationalists a warm fuzzy feeling inside but for most people in Scotland it irritates and demonstrates the arrogance with which successive Conservative governments have held towards Scotland and its people.

However we are the ones with most of the oil, fishing and indeed all the nukes ???? . 

[Rookiescot]

47 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you had read it you would know that it is not BS. If you think that control of foreign policy is not an important 'issue' for the UK, then I am obviously wasting my time. I have not commented on Spain in these Brexit threads, except to comment on the wasteful practises of their fishermen. 

 

 

Excellent news. Spain no longer has a veto over Scotland joining the EU.

That's correct isn't it?

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Excellent news. Spain no longer has a veto over Scotland joining the EU.

That's correct isn't it?

You said it  not me.

[IvorBiggun2]

19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Excellent news. Spain no longer has a veto over Scotland joining the EU.

That's correct isn't it?

No. https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-membership-spain-scotland/

[Rookiescot]

Just now, nauseus said:

You said it  not me.

You have not answered the question.

Would Spain have the power of veto over a Scottish application to join the EU?

Yes or no?

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

No. https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-membership-spain-scotland/

Yes I know that but British nationalists often use it as a reason not to support independence.

[bannork]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 I thought you were European. Love it!

Us Brits are Europeans, at least until we are absorbed by America post Brexit.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You have not answered the question.

Would Spain have the power of veto over a Scottish application to join the EU?

Yes or no?

What's this? The Spanish Inquisition? ????

[kingdong]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Which enemy did you fight off on the beaches of good old blighty? ????

 

 

 

the remainers

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

Brexit is a  "disaster in 10,000 pieces" now underway, All the promises are starting to be proved unfounded,  I'll take absolutely no pleasure in being proved right.

 

All i want to do is to make people see clearly that the Brexitist liars & fantasists are directly responsible for every harm & loss that results from their "triumph"

 

So many were conned by their lies and still refuse to admit it too themselves. It's a sad statement on the state of education in the UK today. 

calm yourself dear

[Rookiescot]

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What's this? The Spanish Inquisition? ????

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. 

However a simple yes or no to my question would suffice.

Could the Spanish veto an independent Scotlands entry to the EU if they wanted to?

[david555]

5 hours ago, paddypower said:

an unreserved appology, mate. I misposted a reply to another who was writing in a version of English that I do not know. I agree about travels, mine would be to one of the Celtic peoples - you know, the ones who party at funerals. :))

 

 

I thought already ......no harm done unless the suggesting that i would go live in England under Boris ruling .... ????but i was mistaken too ...as i was once like "kidnapped to Heathrow airport " because in 2009 my first flight with Thai air the return became a not planned  shared flight as TG did not do the return flight and it was oh HORROR ..BA instead... ????

But finally the Luftwaffe (lufthansa ) came to free me from Heatrow to bring me to Europe ????

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. 

However a simple yes or no to my question would suffice.

Could the Spanish veto an independent Scotlands entry to the EU if they wanted to?

In theory yes, but politically no, the cost would be too much.

 

Unless maybe the UK was prepared to sacrifice Gibraltar in return. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. 

However a simple yes or no to my question would suffice.

Could the Spanish veto an independent Scotlands entry to the EU if they wanted to?

You can turn the bright lights off now. I already told you that my only mention of Spain was to do with fishing.

 

You frequently demand answers but offer little evidence for your arguments(?) in return. That is rude.

 

Back to my JD.

[7by7]

On 7/14/2020 at 2:19 PM, nauseus said:

You assume too much with your condescending post. I have had the full text for years. It is very confusing, I must admit, as it is regularly necessary to refer back to both the Treaty of Rome and The Masstricht Treaty. The Lisbon Treaty is basically a very messy list of amendments to both of these previous treaties and is essentially a successful attempt at getting the (previously rejected) European Constitution passed. Such a confusing mess!

I made a simple assumption based upon your use of the falsehoods about the treaty that have become viral when responding to other posters.

 

As you admit to finding the treaty very confusing, as all are due to their necessity to cover all possible relevent eventualities, I suggest you read the Full Fact article exposing the falsehoods I linked to in my previous.

 

On 7/14/2020 at 2:19 PM, nauseus said:

The further loss of vetos occurs after the Lisbon Treaty introduces QMV (effective from 2014).

Yes, the treaty has moved some, but nowhere near all, policy areas away from unanimity to qualified majority voting. But as that system is based upon a member's population, the UK benefited enormously from that move; and would have continued to so do had we remained a member.

 

Of course, unanimity is still required on many matters; especially anything approaching what you called "the EU project goal is for total political and economic integration into a single state." Yet you claimed the treaty removed the veto here

pointed out that each and every member could use their visa to prevent such.

But all of this is very different to your original assertion that the treaty did away with the veto completely when replying to @Rookiescot comment on the veto here: 

 

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition

classic sketch from monty python

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

I made a simple assumption based upon your use of the falsehoods about the treaty that have become viral when responding to other posters.

 

As you admit to finding the treaty very confusing, as all are due to their necessity to cover all possible relevent eventualities, I suggest you read the Full Fact article exposing the falsehoods I linked to in my previous.

 

Yes, the treaty has moved some, but nowhere near all, policy areas away from unanimity to qualified majority voting. But as that system is based upon a member's population, the UK benefited enormously from that move; and would have continued to so do had we remained a member.

 

Of course, unanimity is still required on many matters; especially anything approaching what you called "the EU project goal is for total political and economic integration into a single state." Yet you claimed the treaty removed the veto here

pointed out that each and every member could use their visa to prevent such.

But all of this is very different to your original assertion that the treaty did away with the veto completely when replying to @Rookiescot comment on the veto here: 

 

Absurd. Show me where I said that the treaty did away with vetoes completely. 

[Rookiescot]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

You can turn the bright lights off now. I already told you that my only mention of Spain was to do with fishing.

 

You frequently demand answers but offer little evidence for your arguments(?) in return. That is rude.

 

Back to my JD.

Could Spain, or indeed any other EU country, veto an independent Scotlands application to join the EU?

Yes or no?

[Rookiescot]

7 hours ago, tebee said:

In theory yes, but politically no, the cost would be too much.

 

Unless maybe the UK was prepared to sacrifice Gibraltar in return. 

Yes I think there is no chance Spain would.

My point is Nauseus was claiming countries in the EU no longer have a veto. 

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes or no?

Yes.

[Laughing Gravy]

21 hours ago, vogie said:

It came after a survey of 1,300 remain voters found many were still traumatised by the result of the referendum.

Asked to express their emotions about the vote the most common words used in the survey were “devastated”, “angry”, “depressed”, “betrayed” and “ashamed”."

Bless the  little snowflakes. I am sure they will find another cause to champion as there are enough out there at the moment. They have probably joined the trashing of statues and apologising for everything done hundreds of years ago.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

21 hours ago, tebee said:

But mature democracies with a codified constitution do not let you make major constitutional   changes that will affect the population for generations to come on a small simple majority

So you are talking about the referendum in the 1970s when the UK were lied too on a monumental scale to get into the EEC which morphed into the EU. The 43 years it took to get another vote on that. And fishing, agriculture and many industries were decimated and still not recovered today.

 

We get it you are a Europhile living in France and probably more french now that British. All the french I have met have congratulated me for the Brits have the gonads to leave the corrupt EU. Hopefully one day the French will too.

 

 

[transam]

21 hours ago, tebee said:

Brexit is a  "disaster in 10,000 pieces" now underway, All the promises are starting to be proved unfounded,  I'll take absolutely no pleasure in being proved right.

 

All i want to do is to make people see clearly that the Brexitist liars & fantasists are directly responsible for every harm & loss that results from their "triumph"

 

So many were conned by their lies and still refuse to admit it too themselves. It's a sad statement on the state of education in the UK today. 

Veeeery funny, veeeery funny..., but getting a bit boring now....????..............????

[7by7]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Absurd. Show me where I said that the treaty did away with vetoes completely. 

 I already did so.

 

Though, in typical Brexiteer fashion when caught out, you are now saying that you meant something else!