Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Hmm, interesting read https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) these negotiations are a joke for the UK - the choice is a bag of shoot or and even bigger bag of shoot. how on earth did the UK get itself in such a ridiculous situation? Edited July 28, 2020 by Airbagwill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Hmm, interesting read https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other headline turned me off sectors without corona problems will be affected by Brexit what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did gosh, give me a break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: headline turned me off sectors without corona problems will be affected by Brexit what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did gosh, give me a break The headline turned you off? Facts are facts and dictate headlines. The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Hmm, interesting read https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other no thanks its in the guardian,thats enough for me . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: no thanks its in the guardian,thats enough for me . Pesky honest journalism eh. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: these negotiations are a joke for the UK - the choice is a bag of shoot or and even bigger bag of shoot. how on earth did the UK get itself in such a ridiculous situation? Easy. By joining Le Club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The headline turned you off? Facts are facts and dictate headlines. The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. A bit like weather forecasts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, nauseus said: A bit like weather forecasts. Nope, though I will concede that there is a similarity given the accuracy of current weather forecasting technology. Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The headline turned you off? Facts are facts and dictate headlines. The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. are you serious at all? not on the sauce? look at this; Exclusive: LSE report says even sectors unscathed from coronavirus crisis will be severely affected (by Brexit) this is about as bright as saying that stale bread will remain stale after Brexit proper well spotted by the msm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: are you serious at all? not on the sauce? look at this; Exclusive: LSE report says even sectors unscathed from coronavirus crisis will be severely affected (by Brexit) this is about as bright as saying that stale bread will remain stale after Brexit proper well spotted by the msm As I say, good to see the realities of brexit being revealed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: headline turned me off sectors without corona problems will be affected by Brexit what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did gosh, give me a break Too bad, because it's quite interesting. It reports a study to be published by LSE that shows a differentiated impact of Brexit, depending on industry sectors. To my surprise (????), it even shows a positive impact on some sectors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, candide said: Too bad, because it's quite interesting. It reports a study to be published by LSE that shows a differentiated impact of Brexit, depending on industry sectors. To my surprise (????), it even shows a positive impact on some sectors. Positive? How can that be possible! Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: As I say, good to see the realities of brexit being revealed. ok, fair enough, can agree to the reality bit but not really new science though that shires and commercial activities, not bothered by the corona virus, will also be affected by Brexit thats kinda obvious to a good many people, even Brexiteers and Guardian charges satang for selling this wisdom - well done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: ok, fair enough, can agree to the reality bit but not really new science though that shires and commercial activities, not bothered by the corona virus, will also be affected by Brexit thats kinda obvious to a good many people, even Brexiteers and Guardian charges satang for selling this wisdom - well done It may be the reality but it’s a reality many don’t want to admit to. Cold, hard truths need to be spelled out for such. Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 Boris Johnson has an autonomy fetish. The UK prime minister’s fetish is the belief that his country not only has the sovereign right to shoot itself in both feet, but also has a duty to do so if the alternative is to allow EU institutions any role in its affairs. Brexit, he insists, means autonomy. As a matter of international law, the UK is sovereign. But sovereignty is not the same thing as power. The EU has 446m people, against the UK’s 66m. Its economy is almost six times as big as the UK’s. The EU is also much less dependent on trade with the UK than is true the other way round. Let us be clear: this is not a relationship between equals. The difficulty for the UK in its relationship with the EU is rather that it is too small to be an equal and too big not to matter. It is almost as important a trading partner of the EU as the US. That is because distance is crucial in determining bilateral trade flows. Since the UK is a far more important trading partner of the EU than Canada, the bloc is also more wary of Britain’s capacity to disrupt its economy. https://www.ft.com/content/de2a1e52-4677-11ea-aee2-9ddbdc86190d 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post melvinmelvin Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Logosone said: Boris Johnson has an autonomy fetish. The UK prime minister’s fetish is the belief that his country not only has the sovereign right to shoot itself in both feet, but also has a duty to do so if the alternative is to allow EU institutions any role in its affairs. Brexit, he insists, means autonomy. As a matter of international law, the UK is sovereign. But sovereignty is not the same thing as power. The EU has 446m people, against the UK’s 66m. Its economy is almost six times as big as the UK’s. The EU is also much less dependent on trade with the UK than is true the other way round. Let us be clear: this is not a relationship between equals. The difficulty for the UK in its relationship with the EU is rather that it is too small to be an equal and too big not to matter. It is almost as important a trading partner of the EU as the US. That is because distance is crucial in determining bilateral trade flows. Since the UK is a far more important trading partner of the EU than Canada, the bloc is also more wary of Britain’s capacity to disrupt its economy. https://www.ft.com/content/de2a1e52-4677-11ea-aee2-9ddbdc86190d see bold above sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years, it is the other way round barstool rambling all over LoS also tell the opposite of what you opine in a year or two we'll see 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 hours ago, pixelaoffy said: Oh dear ! Barnier's mouthpiece let out his hole QED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: see bold above sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years, it is the other way round The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? Anyway: Edited July 28, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? Anyway: One on 27. It just ain't fair guvna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said: The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? Anyway: you know, interesting bit about your graphs is that you can walk around the corner find another source with different analysis and different graphs (nowadays graphs are wishes rather than renderings of reality - alas) assuming that the step from Brino to Brexit is taken before the end of this year, then wait a couple of years from now and you will see where its going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Airbagwill Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, englishoak said: Interesting thing about graphs is that Bres\xiteers dimes tea all as "project fear" but don't supply any more convincing alternatives. Edited July 28, 2020 by Airbagwill 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: see bold above sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years, it is the other way round barstool rambling all over LoS also tell the opposite of what you opine in a year or two we'll see It's a simple questions of maths, isn't it? The misconception that the EU needs the UK more than the other way round is based on a mistake when interpreting numbers. It is based on the belief that because the UK has a trade deficit with the EU, ie buys more from the EU than the EU buys from the UK therefore the EU needs the UK more than viceversa. To illustrate the error of this obvious misinterpretation of figures consider this: The EU - with a population of more than half a billion and an annual economic activity or GDP of around £15 trillion - has a trade surplus with Andorra, which has a population of about 80,000 and GDP of less than £3bn. Does that mean that the EU needs Andorra more than Andorra needs the EU? It would, of course, be an absurd suggestion. Why? Because the EU's economy is so much larger. And what about Germany's carmakers? The head of Germany's car industry association Matthias Wissman said last year: "however important the United Kingdom is to us as a market, the cohesion of the EU 27 and their single market are even more important to our industry". The UK economy is both smaller than the EU's and has a services trade surplus. In 2016, services exports to the EU were 7.2% of UK GDP; for the EU 27 services exports to the UK were 1.1% of their GDP. All these figures point in the same direction. The UK looks more exposed in the event of disruption to trade relations. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46612362 Of course the UK is not Andorra and the pain for EU countries will be considerable as a result of Brexit. However, it will be much less than the pain for the UK, as the above BBC article makes clear. Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 6 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: you know, interesting bit about your graphs is that you can walk around the corner find another source with different analysis and different graphs Sure, and you can also find people telling you that bleach cures Covid or that the earth is flat or that the trade deficit has anything to do with who has more negotiating power. What do you expect; that we do the thinking for you and weed out all the garbage? 6 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: (nowadays graphs are wishes rather than renderings of reality - alas) assuming that the step from Brino to Brexit is taken before the end of this year, then wait a couple of years from now and you will see where its going The question was what country is more or less dependent on trade with the other country. The question was not “where its going”. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bert bloggs Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Pesky honest journalism eh. So honest they have to beg for money to keep going because nobody will pay to read their lefty rubbish.???? 1 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henryford Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 We were never going to get a good deal. The EUSSR's only objective is to punish Britain to stop all the other 27 running for the door. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Henryford said: We were never going to get a good deal. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted July 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Henryford said: We were never going to get a good deal. The EUSSR's only objective is to punish Britain to stop all the other 27 running for the door. What are you talking about, the UK could have got a great deal. It just had to honour previous agreements it made about EU fleet's access to fish, sign up to a fair and level playing field, as again the UK government had promised to do in the UK parliament, but then failed to adhere to, The EU will face major trade disruption due to the idiotic Brexit decision by the pensioners and anti-foreigners, and how can it monitor if the UK complies with state aid rules or ECJ decisions? If the UK does not do so the only option is to terminate the trade agreement. Without a positive commitment by the UK this was never going to work, but the UK's insistence on a non-issue like fish clearly shows there was no intention to make a deal. Though of course this may just be a smart negotiating ploy. Pretend not to care, then offer to surrender at the last minute. Just like Johnson surrendered on Northern Ireland, which he claimed he would never do, then sold his surrender as a victory. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Greece has just announced that the future is looking good .owing to the hand out from the EU ,wonder how the people from the countrys that have to keep on propping the likes of Greece up feel? how long before they want to leave? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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