Nearly one in six Britons would refuse Covid-19 vaccine

[2 is 1]

10 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

One in six dont have many braincells.

Im not against vaccine ! But when people in Finland take vaccine against big flue many kids getting sleep apnea from that! And already have told that this new vaccine against covid (if come) going to have same sht what cause that sleep apnea to kids!

Was Pandemrix vaccine.

Edited July 22, 2020 by 2 is 1

[BKKBike09]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Nothing wrong with waiting a bit and making sure that things are safe. Question is how long to wait. I would like to see that researchers can review vaccines. I do think this will be done as this is a global thing with so much at stake. Everyone is watching this so im sure there will be a lot of eyes on it.

"Nothing wrong with waiting a bit and making sure that things are safe. Question is how long to wait." - Exactly.

 

You're an adult and can make your own choices. As a parent you need to take responsibility for your children and make choices for them. Since children have virtually no risk (statistically) of serious illness from Covid, do you as a parent decide a) "for the greater good I will have my children receive a new vaccine with no long-term studies as to potential side effects" or b) "I prefer to wait a couple of years until the risks are better known". Neither choice makes you a bad person.

 

Take the MMR vaccine for example. It is still controversial for some, although decades of data are now available to show that while serious risks are there, they are rare. But not necessarily all that rare, and in some cases it's taken a lot of time to identify them.

 

"Measles-containing vaccine can cause febrile seizures. By linking vaccination records with computerized hospital admission records in five districts in the UK, Farrington et al. (1995) found that 67% of admissions for a febrile convulsion 6–11 days after MMR vaccination were attributable to the measles component of the vaccine (risk 1 in 3,000 doses). Other studies have found a seizure rate of 1 per 2,941 and 1 per 1,150 doses (Barlow WE et al 2001, Miller E et al 2007)."

 

"Several attenuated mumps vaccines have been associated with aseptic meningitis. The incubation period following immunization is 2–3 weeks and the clinical course is similar to that of the natural disease (McDonald et al., 1989). The risk of developing this complication varies depending on the vaccine strain and the manufacturer ... Urabe strain. A study in Nottingham, UK, showed 9 cases of aseptic meningitis per 100 000 doses (Miller et al., 1993, Miller E et al 2007). As a result, the product was no longer purchased by UK. A Japanese study demonstrated a rate of 49 cases of aseptic meningitis per 100 000 doses of Urabe strain produced locally (Sugiura et al., 1991). A subsequent study put the rate at 100 cases per 100 000 doses (Ueda et al., 1995)."

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/MMR_vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf?ua=1

 

Pay close attention to this: " The risk of developing this complication varies depending on the vaccine strain and the manufacturer"

 

There isn't going to be one Covid vaccine; there will be multiple vaccines. 

 

So, yes, "nothing wrong with waiting a bit and making sure that things are safe" sounds pretty sensible.

[Bender Rodriguez]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sometimes one has too as it gets tiresome how people deny science. I love the internet but it gives a lot of fringe people strange thoughts. It certainly helps people to find whatever they want and take it for the truth instead of checking sources.

fringe ideas of big corporation not caring if you actually get sick or die, but only are interested in big profits for the company, the share holders & stock price.

 

So there is no conflict of interest from people working in BIG PHARMA, than getting a job (via politics) to be the head of CDC/FDA for a short period of time, promotion medical product x,y,z as safe, making Big Pharma company billions of profits and then quitting your job and to become the CEO or VICE DIRECTOR of the company you just made some billions and in return, you get stock options for free that when sold makes you another 10-100 million dollar ?

 

it is called REVOLVING DOOR 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=revolving+door+at+FDA%2FCDC

 

[Eibot]

1 minute ago, BKKBike09 said:

So, yes, "nothing wrong with waiting a bit and making sure that things are safe" sounds pretty sensible.

Definitely. But you also have to accept the consequences that has. Arguably limited travel could be one.

[Bender Rodriguez]

3 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Take the MMR vaccine for example. It is still controversial for some, although decades of data are now available to show that while serious risks are there, they are rare. But not necessarily all that rare, and in some cases it's taken a lot of time to identify them.

only 1 percent of serious side effects are reported

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=only+1+percent+of+serious+side+effects+are+reported

[Rancid]

Pharmacology texts state 70% is enough for herd immunity, and it always has been. So even if 30% are wise enough to avoid another toxic vaccine, there will still be HI.

 

So when you see it become compulsory, it goes against medical practice, as 100% vaccination has never ever been required. It is simply about the money, and lots and lots of it. Wait to see what politicians get what board positions at what obscene salary when they retire.

[Terrapin]

They have never made a successful vaccine for any of the 7 coronaviruses that exist. I would be very skeptical about taking a covid-19 vaccine.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Terrapin

[SpanishExpat]

6 hours ago, Yinn said:

Hmm, I think everyone (thai) will get vaccine. Better than loose business, job.

 

I agree people lazy to wear mask now a bit. Still necessary supermarket, plaza. 

Because we win covid already.

 

No case now 50+ day already. If have, everybody be serious again, sure.

And thats (and I am glad about it) the difference between western countries and Thailand! Here, your government may force everyone to get vaccinated, threaten with disadvantages/punishments etc, whereas in western countries it`s still the individuals decision. 

I will get the vaccine for sure, but I won`t rush like a robot to get it as soon as it`s released. 

 

Thats all based on the assumption, that there will be a vaccine. So I hope it for Thailand, as they are not taking the few % probability in account that there won`t be a vaccine at all. 

[BritManToo]

Just now, SpanishExpat said:

And thats (and I am glad about it) the difference between western countries and Thailand! Here, your government may force everyone to get vaccinated, threaten with disadvantages/punishments etc, whereas in western countries it`s still the individuals decision. 

I will get the vaccine for sure, but I won`t rush like a robot to get it as soon as it`s released. 

But here I can bribe the nurse to inject the bin, in place of my arm.

And still get the vaccination certificate.

[CGW]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Sometimes one has too as it gets tiresome how people deny science. I love the internet but it gives a lot of fringe people strange thoughts. It certainly helps people to find whatever they want and take it for the truth instead of checking sources.

Understood! I used to love the media, then it took advantage of the people and started treating them like idiots, most never even realised as all the "sources' they used and checked with had also been corrupted & manipulated, they were encouraged to treat anyone who didn't think the same as them with disdain, never noticing how they were slowly but surely losing their ability to think for themselves and their basic freedoms were being taken away! - sad ???? 

Most never realised that they are being used, believe only in socially acceptable science, where they go wrong is the "spiritual warfare" aspect; intellect inflates ego; makes you more vulnerable to wicked deceptions, but they are so full of their "self" they are unable to recognise their own downfall as their ego becomes moire inflated and they consider anyone without their "belief" system "tiresome", sure you may recognise someone in your social group here. ???? 

 

[bodga]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Because your decisions directly effect other people. I'm not saying you have to have it. Its your body. 

But your actions should have consequences.

Or do you want the benefits of herd immunity without contributing to the effort and then expect the state to help you if you end up getting corona?

applies to  all those ailments I listed

[bodga]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But here I can bribe the nurse to inject the bin, in place of my arm.

And still get the vaccination certificate.

be  honest, youd  rather  inject  the  nurse????

[ICELANDMAN]

5 hours ago, Chivas said:

I can confidently say that Covid vaccine passports will be required to allow entry into Thailand when that is allowed sometime over the next couple years.

No certificate and you simply wont be coming in. I'd also expect the 30 day Visa exempt entry will disappear all applications to go via Embassies and Consulates.

 

No vaccine No Entry simple as.

I reason this is the greatest danger that expatriates in Thailand await, this vaccine is not like all vaccine created so far, and a new type of vaccine based on the manipulation of our DNA, therefore unknown the long-term effects and the rush of who will be the winner with the billions in the pocket for the big pharma does not present a blind confidence, so I foresee not to leave Thailand if not definitively

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by ICELANDMAN

[transam]

If the shot was not over the top expensive, and it came from farangland, I would go for It.

 

I also do wear a mask if entering a shop etc. Costs nothing and the locals think I am wonderful. ????

 

Back to the OP, you are Thai, will Thailand import the vaccine from farangland, as I can't see it happening here....? 

[robblok]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

If the shot was not over the top expensive, and it came from farangland, I would go for It.

 

I also do wear a mask if entering a shop etc. Costs nothing and the locals think I am wonderful. ????

 

Back to the OP, you are Thai, will Thailand import the vaccine from farangland, as I can't see it happening here....? 

Why not Trans, there will probably a free Thai vaccine (for Thais) but if you want you probably will be able to get one from an other source in the major hospitals. Now there are medicine that are imported from the UK or US too and generic Thai copies. So I would not worry too much about getting the one you like. When there is demand there will always be supply. 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, bodga said:

applies to  all those ailments I listed

Nothing you listed contributes to the spread of the virus.

What you are doing is reaping the benefits that mass vaccination will allow (reopening economies, herd immunity, a resumption of air travel etc) while not actually taking part yourself.

My point is the vaccination will cost very little while a stay in intensive care in a hospital cost an astronomical fee.

If you refuse a corona vaccine then the rest of us should not be obliged to pay for your decision. You either need to pay for any consequent corona treatment yourself or obtain insurance to cover it because protection was offered and you declined it.

[BritManToo]

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Nothing you listed contributes to the spread of the virus.

What you are doing is reaping the benefits that mass vaccination will allow (reopening economies, herd immunity, a resumption of air travel etc) while not actually taking part yourself.

My point is the vaccination will cost very little while a stay in intensive care in a hospital cost an astronomical fee.

If you refuse a corona vaccine then the rest of us should not be obliged to pay for your decision. You either need to pay for any consequent corona treatment yourself or obtain insurance to cover it because protection was offered and you declined it.

If you believe vaccination works, you can take it and be happy to know you are protected.

No need to worry about me, if I catch it, I can't infect you because you're vaccinated.

 

I can never understand the pro-vaxxers insisting other people take it.

My hospital bills are not your business.

 

And if you are really concerned about hospital bills there's a lot of people over eating and under exercising which puts far more cost on the hospital with their diabetes, strokes and heart disease.

Edited July 22, 2020 by BritManToo

[Bender Rodriguez]

seems strange that the pro-vaxxers insult everybody while they are mostly the un-informed about

 

1) the safety studies 

2) liability (cannot sue big pharma, going to court will cost you 200.000$ US or more)

3) ingredients

4) excipients

5) placebo = no saline but exipients like aluminium, formaldehyde, ... that will cause a fever and WORSE

6) long term effects (safe but only "tested" for 30 days)   

7)  clinical trials are done on HEALTHY PEOPLE without chronic diseases, many exclusions to participate

8- if they believe the vaccine works, they should not fear the non vaccinated one's

 

but call everybody dump that does not blindly get the next shot

[Boomer6969]

10 hours ago, Yinn said:

Freedom? 

UK close many business because covid right? 

Is there a word in Thai for such an outlandish concept?

[Boomer6969]

Seriously I wouldn't say I'd rush to get vaccinated right away. But as it is likely that it will be mandatory for air travel, to keep a Covid health cover, to stay in Thailand and many other reasons I'll take a shot, with some concern.

 

I took a flu shot last week, as any fever makes life unduly complicated now. Let's hope that reliable quick saliva tests become available soon so people won't have to stay home several to wait for their results to come back.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Is there a word in Thai for such an outlandish concept?

Thais are free doncha know!

Free to vote for anyone they like.

Free to like any Facebook posts they want.

Free to advertise alcohol in photos they take and post.

Thailand is the land of the free.

Free to talk about ..... no wait, I'll be banned if I talk about that one.

[Why Me]

14 hours ago, Yinn said:

Nearly one in six Britons would refuse Covid-19 vaccine – survey

A separate survey commissioned by the NHS based on a study of 1245 randomly selected Brits found that one-sixth of them were unable to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

A new survey proposed by the Royal School of Veterinary Studies to examine if the results of the earlier two surveys were somehow correlated drew outrage from anti-vaxxers. In fact, a prominent leader of the anti-vaxx movement present at a funding meeting condemned the proposed study as a malicious attempt to defame anti-vaxxers for simply defending their rights and staged a walkout. Oddly enough, as she rose from her seat a wad of gum fell from her mouth.

[katana]

There have been problems in the past with quickly rushed-through vaccinations.
In 1976 there was a swine flu outbreak in the US. Forty million US citizens were vaccinated, generating a lot of money for the vaccine manufacturers, but an unfortunate side effect of the vaccine was 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), a paralysing neuromuscular disorder, resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people. Apparently the vaccine killed more people than the swine flu outbreak did.
Consequently, in Dec 1976, just two months after being introduced, the immunization program was halted.

[mike787]

NO WAY m I putting that <deleted> into my body.

[3NUMBAS]

left wing rag printing tosh again ,other polls show a different outcome.the guardian is staffed by angry islington socialists who are always about to lose their job as the paper sells very few copies nowadays so its a non story .like labour party its in it death throws

[Tounge Thaied]

Anyone who accepts compulsory or consequential vaccinations is a broken human being... and the excuse that you were socially engineered that way can no longer be accepted... time to wake up folks. 

Compulsory, or consequential invasive procedures, to your own body (vaccinations), especially ones that are un-tested means you are a slave to the state. And when you acquiesce in this way, be prepared for what is coming next. No this is not a joke. I suggest everyone reading this to check out the well documented, well presented Bill Gates four part series from James Corbett at the Corbett report dot com. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Tounge Thaied

[Tounge Thaied]

14 hours ago, CGW said:

A classic example of someone who lets others think for him and believes the narrative!

No doubt you will embrace communism and be a successful member of the party, or first in line onto the train?

Exactly!!! Let me say that again. Wakey, Wakey children... time to grow and become adults now. Time to escape mommy and daddy governments sick little experiment upon you. Time to break free from our Stockholm syndrome folks!

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If you believe vaccination works, you can take it and be happy to know you are protected.

No need to worry about me, if I catch it, I can't infect you because you're vaccinated.

 

I can never understand the pro-vaxxers insisting other people take it.

My hospital bills are not your business.

 

And if you are really concerned about hospital bills there's a lot of people over eating and under exercising which puts far more cost on the hospital with their diabetes, strokes and heart disease.

you said it... you can never understand... 

 

One of the key factors of vaccination programs is herd immunity as vaccines are nearly always ineffective on a proportion of the population.

 

Thus the more people who take the vaccine means those for whom the vaccine is not effected will not (should not) be impacted by a virus if the majority of the population are vaccinated and not carriers. 

 

It’s pretty basic and its not about you, it's about those around you (that is for established vaccines which are know to be safe and work).

 

 

I would be extremely reluctant to take a vaccine which has been rushed through testing and production - I’d need to know a lot more before submitting to such. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

44 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Anyone who accepts compulsory or consequential vaccinations is a broken human being... and the excuse that you were socially engineered that way can no longer be accepted... time to wake up folks. 

Compulsory, or consequential invasive procedures, to your own body (vaccinations), especially ones that are un-tested means you are a slave to the state. And when you acquiesce in this way, be prepared for what is coming next. No this is not a joke. I suggest everyone reading this to check out the well documented, well presented Bill Gates four part series from James Corbett at the Corbett report dot com. 

There is a high probability that you are alive today because you and those around you were vaccinated against various diseases. 

 

 

[Metropolitian]

16 hours ago, thequietman said:

16 hours ago, Yinn said:

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It's something that Thailand has never had. Citizens here cannot speak out against the government, and the defamation laws forbid even the truth.

BS. 

What part is BS?  Please tell us oh wise one. ????

 

Browsed trough all the 12 pages ..

 

Was wondering  if someone said 'I'd see what happens if you try play that video clip at the government building with the volume on max'

 

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Bravely ran away away.
("I didn't!")
When comments reared it's ugly head,
She bravely turned her tail and fled.
("I never!")
Yes, brave Jenny turned about
And gallantly she chickened out.

 

The vaccine shot, I'm not antivax.

Had all the DKTP + extra shots in my life.

But this is something new, so I will chicken out from the first shots.

First to see if they really are good.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Metropolitian