Pattaya is smiling again! Top end hotels at 90% capacity for long holiday weekend

[Leaver]

11 hours ago, johng said:

Thailand is a rich country but 1% of the population hold 80% of that wealth.

So wouldn't that make the other 99% of the population, that only holds 20% of the wealth, quite poor, collectively?  

[johng]

24 minutes ago, Leaver said:

So wouldn't that make the other 99% of the population, that only holds 20% of the wealth, quite poor, collectively?  

Yes the wealth is not very well spread.

[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Yes the wealth is not very well spread.

And that's made by design, and not going to change anytime soon.  

[Leaver]

16 hours ago, Don Mega said:

A lot are desperate but certainly not most.

Depends on the definition of "most."  Does "most" mean a majority, as in, 51%?  

[Leaver]

17 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Where does that info come from, crystal ball ?

The rush to sell their gold and other assets gives an indication that money will soon run out. 

 

We have all see the queues for food here.  Do you think things will improve, or get worse?    

[BigStar]

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

So, if nobody said domestic Thai tourism will support the Pattaya economy

Consciously missed the point. "Reviving" means full revival. That requires international tourism, of course. Everyone knows that. Thais certainly know that. But yes, domestic tourism does support the Pattaya economy to a limited extent, as has been very much in evidence.

 

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

It's the foreign sex tourist that saw Pattaya prosper and made a lot of Thai's very rich. 

 

 

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

The Thai's got greedy, surprise surprise, and started marketing to families and package holiday makers and everyone and anyone else they could think of

Usual bigoted bash. Merely recognized under served markets and expanded. Worked quite well. I'll give the pics again below. ????

 

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

it was still the lowest high season this past high season for western tourists.  

What year is it?

[BigStar]

  

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

For many here, it's the hospitality industry that supplies employment, that supplies a salary, that puts the food on the table.

Which, as I noted, Thais control, not you or I. And at the present time, they are encouraging the domestic tourism helping that industry. The problem for you is that you've defined "hospitality industry" as merely beer bars to fit the narrative. ????

 

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

And how is the "new economy" going for Pattaya?

How soon we forget.

 

1995, height of old monger economy:

 

 

Pattaya in the new economy as mongers left:

 

 

Oh, five times larger or so, big malls, real estate, expensive hotels & restos, etc. Pre-empt silly nonsense: no, they weren't empty.

 

No Thais want to go back to the 1995 economy. Only ignorant old farts on TVF, reared in nanny states, think that would really be helpful.???? Ironically, they wring their hands whenever Pattaya makes a step in that direction.

 

Problem for you is that TAT: TVF defines high season as taking place only in the beer bars. And the only allowed participants in a high season are those same old farang mongers living in the fleabags.

 

Hence, by definition, it could not exist and you missed it entirely.

 

Otherwise, it wasn't bad at all. ????

 

19 hours ago, Leaver said:

Could be, but they are not. For how long do you think they can keep their doors open?

Usual hot air, as you really have no idea, eating all that Brit swill. You admit you never looked in MK. But in fact they are, as has been attested here. For example, I saw quite a few in Maesriruen, where I go pretty often. Sorry. I'd say that if you think they can't keep their doors open long, then it most likely means that they will stay open long, which is good.

 

In general, one should be wary of prediction timelines that extend beyond the life span of the predictor, as is almost always the case here. Many of our prophets have quite disappeared, as was noted in a recent closed thread. Died of old age or flatulacide I suppose.

 

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

Merely point out while you take aim at Golden Egg Layers eating baked beans on toast in Soi Baukhao, domestic Thai tourists are eating 30 baht noodle soup from street vendors. 

But are unable, while pointing out, to draw the logical conclusion therefrom, which I repeat for you again: Thais, vastly outnumbering the mongers, coming year round, and crowding in on holidays, are spending more than the mongers. Taking refuge in the usual bigotry fools only bigots. Nor is it in the least funny but puerile.

 

Indeed, so many expats seem to revert to a mental age of about 10 after coming to Thailand, whinging constantly, loving to play scary music, loving jokes about bums, farts, poop, boom boom etc. Telling lies. It's one reason I like the tighter Immigration rules.

 

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

I cover a lot of ground also. 

Not in the least evident, however. It may be the usual problem of poor eyesight (First Optic usually recommended) or poor hearing.

 

19 hours ago, Leaver said:

Mongers spend more than your typical domestic Thai tourist. 

 

 

It's a central tenet of TVF Economics, supporting the illusion. You've make an illogical comparison, however. Alas, a typical monger may well not in fact spend more than a typical domestic Thai tourist, esp when you consider repeated visits throughout the years, and usually bringing along a companion or an entire family.

 

Moreover, as a group, as you've been shown several times, they far outnumber the mongers. Both pre-Covid and certainly now the domestic Thai tourists are spending more than the mongers on a yearly basis. We saw what Pattaya was like without domestic Thai tourist for a few months. Now is far, far better, as is perfectly clear, sorry. ????

 

So that idea is refuted yet again. However, I expect another repetition soon.

 

So we can look forward to Thailand's opening back up to the Asian and Russian markets, which will continue the growth (clearly shown in before/after photos of Pattaya) after the Golden Egg Layers all headed for the exits owing to their banana republic currencies. Oh--and all that horrible mistreatment. ????

 

Whether the monger portion of the farangs can save up their pesos and be lured away from the porn and recover their sex drives is a question.

 

Latest figures reflect a loss of interest in sex among people aged 16 to 44 — with fewer than half romping at least once a week.

 

--Modern life and digital distractions mean young Brits are too busy for sex, experts claim.

 

However, a goodly number of regular farang tourists from all countries normally come here as well.

 

Hence, after a recovery period, the usual growth of Pattaya will likely resume. At some point, perhaps sooner than later, it may max out. Which in no way implies--ooh!--"doom." All resorts tend to max eventually. Who cares? Be fine with me. ????

[Leaver]

On 7/30/2020 at 3:23 PM, BigStar said:

  

Which, as I noted, Thais control, not you or I. And at the present time, they are encouraging the domestic tourism helping that industry. The problem for you is that you've defined "hospitality industry" as merely beer bars to fit the narrative. ????

 

How soon we forget.

 

1995, height of old monger economy:

 

 

Pattaya in the new economy as mongers left:

 

 

Oh, five times larger or so, big malls, real estate, expensive hotels & restos, etc. Pre-empt silly nonsense: no, they weren't empty.

 

No Thais want to go back to the 1995 economy. Only ignorant old farts on TVF, reared in nanny states, think that would really be helpful.???? Ironically, they wring their hands whenever Pattaya makes a step in that direction.

 

Problem for you is that TAT: TVF defines high season as taking place only in the beer bars. And the only allowed participants in a high season are those same old farang mongers living in the fleabags.

 

Hence, by definition, it could not exist and you missed it entirely.

 

Otherwise, it wasn't bad at all. ????

 

Usual hot air, as you really have no idea, eating all that Brit swill. You admit you never looked in MK. But in fact they are, as has been attested here. For example, I saw quite a few in Maesriruen, where I go pretty often. Sorry. I'd say that if you think they can't keep their doors open long, then it most likely means that they will stay open long, which is good.

 

In general, one should be wary of prediction timelines that extend beyond the life span of the predictor, as is almost always the case here. Many of our prophets have quite disappeared, as was noted in a recent closed thread. Died of old age or flatulacide I suppose.

 

But are unable, while pointing out, to draw the logical conclusion therefrom, which I repeat for you again: Thais, vastly outnumbering the mongers, coming year round, and crowding in on holidays, are spending more than the mongers. Taking refuge in the usual bigotry fools only bigots. Nor is it in the least funny but puerile.

 

Indeed, so many expats seem to revert to a mental age of about 10 after coming to Thailand, whinging constantly, loving to play scary music, loving jokes about bums, farts, poop, boom boom etc. Telling lies. It's one reason I like the tighter Immigration rules.

 

Not in the least evident, however. It may be the usual problem of poor eyesight (First Optic usually recommended) or poor hearing.

 

 

 

It's a central tenet of TVF Economics, supporting the illusion. You've make an illogical comparison, however. Alas, a typical monger may well not in fact spend more than a typical domestic Thai tourist, esp when you consider repeated visits throughout the years, and usually bringing along a companion or an entire family.

 

Moreover, as a group, as you've been shown several times, they far outnumber the mongers. Both pre-Covid and certainly now the domestic Thai tourists are spending more than the mongers on a yearly basis. We saw what Pattaya was like without domestic Thai tourist for a few months. Now is far, far better, as is perfectly clear, sorry. ????

 

So that idea is refuted yet again. However, I expect another repetition soon.

 

So we can look forward to Thailand's opening back up to the Asian and Russian markets, which will continue the growth (clearly shown in before/after photos of Pattaya) after the Golden Egg Layers all headed for the exits owing to their banana republic currencies. Oh--and all that horrible mistreatment. ????

 

Whether the monger portion of the farangs can save up their pesos and be lured away from the porn and recover their sex drives is a question.

 

Latest figures reflect a loss of interest in sex among people aged 16 to 44 — with fewer than half romping at least once a week.

 

--Modern life and digital distractions mean young Brits are too busy for sex, experts claim.

 

However, a goodly number of regular farang tourists from all countries normally come here as well.

 

Hence, after a recovery period, the usual growth of Pattaya will likely resume. At some point, perhaps sooner than later, it may max out. Which in no way implies--ooh!--"doom." All resorts tend to max eventually. Who cares? Be fine with me. ????

You simply ignore what made Pattaya famous, and that was the sex trade. 

 

It worked back then, and it worked for decades.  Then, TAT targeted a different demographic of tourists, and although numbers were up, revenue was down.  

 

Pattaya just doesn't have the nice beach and tropical island feel to be able to attract high end tourists.

 

It's as simple as that.   

 

If the sex trade left Pattaya tomorrow, there would still be a lousy beach here, and a concrete urban jungle of empty buildings, thus making Pattaya even more unattractive to tourists.  

 

Who would want to come here, and why?

 

 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Leaver

[Leaver]

On 7/30/2020 at 2:49 PM, BigStar said:

Consciously missed the point. "Reviving" means full revival. That requires international tourism, of course. Everyone knows that. Thais certainly know that. But yes, domestic tourism does support the Pattaya economy to a limited extent, as has been very much in evidence.

 

 

 

Usual bigoted bash. Merely recognized under served markets and expanded. Worked quite well. I'll give the pics again below. ????

 

What year is it?

You ask, "What year is it?"

 

Perhaps Pattaya needs to. "Return to the future."  

[BigStar]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

You simply ignore what made Pattaya famous, and that was the sex trade. 

No, I didn't. "Was" is the operative word. I showed you the "was" and now the "is." 

 

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

It worked back then, and it worked for decades.  Then, TAT targeted a different demographic of tourists, and although numbers were up, revenue was down. 

Nope. That demographic maxed out then declined with the GBP (Great British Peso). Other demographics rose and discovered Pattaya, the most convenient beach area near Bangkok. Private businesses made Pattaya more attractive to other demographics, as TAT pointed out. It worked. Numbers were up and revenues vastly improved, as the pics above prove beyond doubt. The old fleabag mongers couldn't possibly afford all the restos, shopping opportunities, accommodations, etc. in the new economy.

 

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

Pattaya just doesn't have the nice beach and tropical island feel to be able to attract high end tourists.

But the beach it has, tropical feel (high end tourists don't require an island) + all the rest have nonetheless been sufficient to attract high end tourists, relatively speaking, as has been shown in this very thread.

 

It's important for you to ignore this point but it remains true nonetheless. Most of the peanut gallery are probably aware of it, so why keep denying the obvious?

 

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

If the sex trade left Pattaya tomorrow, there would still be a lousy beach here, and a concrete urban jungle of empty buildings, thus making Pattaya even more unattractive to tourists.  

The beach isn't too bad after the refurb. Needs a bit of smoothing at the moment, but no rush nowadays. Obviously we have a lot of empty buildings at the moment for good reason but so does everywhere and there are no international tourists. It's been shown still attractive enough to domestic tourists, however. So you don't have a point.

 

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

Who would want to come here, and why?

At present, you may read thru the thread and discover that for yourself. Reminds me, yesterday I was in Central and surprised how many Thais were in there eating and shopping.

 

After the recovery from worldwide disaster of COVID, which will take quite a while, the same international tourists as before obviously. You've been told why numerous times and in fact you know exactly why. Telling you again would be useless. Yawn.

[Leaver]

6 hours ago, BigStar said:

No, I didn't. "Was" is the operative word. I showed you the "was" and now the "is." 

 

Nope. That demographic maxed out then declined with the GBP (Great British Peso). Other demographics rose and discovered Pattaya, the most convenient beach area near Bangkok. Private businesses made Pattaya more attractive to other demographics, as TAT pointed out. It worked. Numbers were up and revenues vastly improved, as the pics above prove beyond doubt. The old fleabag mongers couldn't possibly afford all the restos, shopping opportunities, accommodations, etc. in the new economy.

 

But the beach it has, tropical feel (high end tourists don't require an island) + all the rest have nonetheless been sufficient to attract high end tourists, relatively speaking, as has been shown in this very thread.

 

It's important for you to ignore this point but it remains true nonetheless. Most of the peanut gallery are probably aware of it, so why keep denying the obvious?

 

The beach isn't too bad after the refurb. Needs a bit of smoothing at the moment, but no rush nowadays. Obviously we have a lot of empty buildings at the moment for good reason but so does everywhere and there are no international tourists. It's been shown still attractive enough to domestic tourists, however. So you don't have a point.

 

At present, you may read thru the thread and discover that for yourself. Reminds me, yesterday I was in Central and surprised how many Thais were in there eating and shopping.

 

After the recovery from worldwide disaster of COVID, which will take quite a while, the same international tourists as before obviously. You've been told why numerous times and in fact you know exactly why. Telling you again would be useless. Yawn.

TAT needs to target the baked beans on toast eating tourists again, otherwise, most of the buildings in Pattaya will be vacant.   

[Rimmer]

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[essox essox]

so all these so called tourists.....with ALL their money are/have/will keep all the hotels in business for some time in the future I THINK NOT !!!

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, essox essox said:

so all these so called tourists.....with ALL their money are/have/will keep all the hotels in business for some time in the future I THINK NOT !!!

Who does?

[CANSIAM]

On 7/25/2020 at 6:05 AM, Airalee said:

Yeah....I know “a guy” who stays at “unnamed hotel where the rooms cost per 20k per night“ too.

 

The hotels listed in the article aren’t 20k per night...

 

Rooms available tonight...

 

Mera Mare has been 3000 baht for years........

[Leaver]

On 8/5/2020 at 12:21 PM, BigStar said:

Who does?

Well, if no one thinks they will, and they actually don't, what's the result, 6 months on from now?  

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

Well, if no one thinks they will, and they actually don't, what's the result, 6 months on from now?  

TAT: TVF will merely attempt to reassert its brilliance by repeating the claim that it's contradicting something that the real TAT never said or even so much as implied.???? I might jump in for a few laughs again. Yeah, same ol' thing.

[Leaver]

13 hours ago, BigStar said:

TAT: TVF will merely attempt to reassert its brilliance by repeating the claim that it's contradicting something that the real TAT never said or even so much as implied.???? I might jump in for a few laughs again. Yeah, same ol' thing.

So it's back to selling street food to domestic tourists.  The saviours of Pattaya's tourism industry.  ????

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

So it's back to selling street food to domestic tourists.  The saviours of Pattaya's tourism industry.  ????

No. Read the OP again. And already addressed earlier:

 

Subsequent nonsense refuted as well. We can go thru it all again if you like. We will anyway. As I said, same ol' thing.

Edited August 8, 2020 by BigStar

[Leaver]

5 minutes ago, BigStar said:

No. Read the OP again. And already addressed earlier:

 

Subsequent nonsense refuted as well. We can go thru it all again if you like. We will anyway. As I said, same ol' thing.

There's big money in 30 baht bowls of noodle soup off the street.  ????  

[Rimmer]

We can stop the private bickering now please