Trump raises possibility of delaying November U.S. presidential election

[DoctorG]

I used to support the Left when they were anti-war, anti-censorship, and anti-big business. The current Left now embraces all three of these along with a disregard for law and order and a preference for communist countries over their own. That is why I, and many others, walked away.

[Berkshire]

The Federalist Society, which has long been a respected right-wing organization, has demanded that Trump be impeached for even suggesting that the elections be delayed...

 

["Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist," Calabresi said. "But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate."]

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/30/cofounder-of-conservative-federalist-society-calls-for-president-trump-to-be-impeached/#e7270e42a018

 

[DoctorG]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Here's a radical thought:  Try reading the news.  And focus on factual reporting, not opinion pieces.  Whenever you bring up the names of pundits while commenting on news, it leads one to assume you don't understand the difference between opinion shows and actual news.

 

Not liking the facts being reported by established media does not justify trusting conspiracy theory sites.

Well they did just get sued for their reporting of the "actual news" eg Covington.

There are many ways of slanting a truthful story. In journalism it is called "framing". Surprised you would not know this.

 

[Dumbastheycome]

2 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

I used to support the Left when they were anti-war, anti-censorship, and anti-big business. The current Left now embraces all three of these along with a disregard for law and order and a preference for communist countries over their own. That is why I, and many others, walked away.

Given that there are only  4 "Communist" countries by definition and two of those have bi partisan resistance in the US political scene where is the genuine partisan disregard  for law and order ?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He doesn't know or care about the constitution.

And no, he is not yanking the opposition, he is desperate to cling to power and do whatever he can, and can not, to stay in power.

Sure he is. He's so enjoyed being harrased daily by most of the so called journalists in the country, being mocked by other country's leaders, and his family being attacked over everything, that he's desperate for another 4 years of it.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Given that there are only  4 "Communist" countries by definition and two of those have bi partisan resistance in the US political scene where is the genuine partisan disregard  for law and order ?

 

"Left" does not only refer to Communist countries.

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sure he is. He's so enjoyed being harrased daily by most of the so called journalists in the country, being mocked by other country's leaders, and his family being attacked over everything, that he's desperate for another 4 years of it.

You could be right ! It is what he knows. But is it sane?

[Dumbastheycome]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

"Left" does not only refer to Communist countries.

In the comment I replied to  does it say  "left" or  "communist"?

Left of  centre or right of  centre can be a long way  from either extremes of  and yet be  not so  far apart.

[Srikcir]

12 hours ago, Orac said:

Good luck to him getting the Constitution Amendment it would require hence the reason elections had to be held during both the Civil and 2nd World Wars.

A lot to unpack.

An Amendment is required to change the date the incumbent POTUS must vacate the office.

The date of the national election is controlled by Congress, currently established by Law, ie., Nov. 3, 2020 for the next election. Democratic control of the House will likely block legislation to delay the election.

If somehow there is no election, POTUS will default to Nancy Pelosi at the end of the constitutional term for Trump.

Trump said he might consider a lawsuit against the total election results if they indicate he will lose in the electoral college. However, election results are processed and certified by each State.  So I don't see a path for Trump to prevail, especially when Republican governors might oversee some elections where Trump loses. The USSC sustained state certification periods, see Florida.

Trump insists election results must be finalized immediately after the national election date. He can't make that demand. Typically, state law requires certification within 10 days after the election vote. 

[Somtamnication]

Surreal. This guy is in la la land and his base still loves him. I hope the 'merkins wake up quick!

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

I used to support the Left when they were anti-war, anti-censorship, and anti-big business. The current Left now embraces all three of these along with a disregard for law and order and a preference for communist countries over their own. That is why I, and many others, walked away.

You're listening to extreme conspiracy theory pundits again.  What "Left" politicians of prominence have expressed a preference for communist countries over the US?  Which ones are advocating war?  What censorship is going on?

[Eric Loh]

He is setting up the blame that election is rigged to stay in office.

He loves autocrats and consorts with them.

He say free press is the enemy of the people.

He talk about doing away with the current 2 terms.

He think Xi's life presidency is great and said "maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day".

Trump is a wannabe dictator and has communist thinking. If he is not out in November, I will pray for USA. 

[Berkshire]

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sure he is. He's so enjoyed being harrased daily by most of the so called journalists in the country, being mocked by other country's leaders, and his family being attacked over everything, that he's desperate for another 4 years of it.

Trump being "harassed daily" by the press is simply journalists asking him to clarify his remarks or actions.  Since Trump says and/or does asinine things almost daily, I can see how this would humiliate him. 

 

As to whether Trump wants to stay in office, the guy really doesn't want to do the work of being President.  What he wants is to win (or not lose).  Further, I think Trump knows that the minute he leaves office, law enforcement in New York will be on him like white on rice for a laundry list of crimes for which he/Trump Org is responsible.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.   The topic is not about the media.   It is about the election and the date.   Please stay on topic and keep it civil.

 

[KarenBravo]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Trump is right. There is no point having an election if one side seem determined to cheat to win at all costs. That is not a free and fair election. Shame on the democrats for causing this latest hurdle to democracy. Play nice, or you don't play at all.

 This is also a bit worrying for team Biden if there is a substantial delay. Don't suppose a couple more years hiding in his basement will sharpen his mind much?

Really? I thought it was the Republicans that champion voter suppression of minorities and gerrymandering.

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Well they did just get sued for their reporting of the "actual news" eg Covington.

There are many ways of slanting a truthful story. In journalism it is called "framing". Surprised you would not know this.

 

Care to explain who was sued and why? 

 

Framing does not change facts.

[Matzzon]

Yep, what´s a desperate man going to to for another week or two in the chair of freedom? I guess he already have fantasies about how many prosecutions he´s going to face when the protective title is taken away from him.

[geriatrickid]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sure he is. He's so enjoyed being harrased daily by most of the so called journalists in the country, being mocked by other country's leaders, and his family being attacked over everything, that he's desperate for another 4 years of it.

The questions asked are legitimate and often well considered. Trump is being asked about his hare. brained schemes, like his endorsement of  Dr. Demon and her alien sperm donors. Most of the GOP Senate refuses to do its duty and hold him accountable, and so the   work  falls to the   House and the fifth Estate. There have been some GOP Senators who tried, but they were  svagely attacked (e.g.  Flake and Romney).

 

37 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

You are correct. Trump appears to know where he is. Biden just forgot again where he was.

These cheap shots about Biden are   petty and  idiotic. There are some days when I have been working long hours that I forget  what  the date or the day of the week it is.  I am constantly forgetting some of my 30+ passwords.  Biden is a workhorse and   has been a public servant long enough such that he will hit  the ground moving once he is sworn in. he won't be making the errors that Trump has made and he will be healing not dividing his country.  it's always the same M.O. with you people:  Insult, denigrate, spread innuendo rather than deal with facts in a rational manner.  I watched president Bush speak at John Lewis' funeral today. I also watched president Obama.  That was class  and compassion and love of people on display, something we have not seen from the bully Trump.

 

 

 

[DoctorG]

39 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

A lot to unpack.

You seem to know about this. Thank you.

What is the significance of the Dec 14 date, Supreme Court, and back to the House to resolve. I read conflicting stuff on this.

Thanks.

[Road Warrior]

this gangster knows his end is due !!! 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, geriatrickid said:

The questions asked are legitimate and often well considered. 

I stopped reading after that.

I have actually watched a Trump news conference on tv, and the questions are designed to catch him out so they can disregard everything he said and just write about some silly thing.

[Jingthing]

It is happening here. Here being the USA. Will the American people get it together to rise up to resist American fascism? The choice is now clear. American democracy or submission to dear leader 45. How any patriotic Americans still support him even if they like some of his policy positions is beyond me. 

 

 

[DoctorG]

6 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Biden has already come out and said unequivocally that he does not support defunding the police. 

I agree that Biden does not want to actually de-fund the police. It is a sop to the far-left extremists. If Biden should win there would be some cosmetic changes and then it would be back to business as usual.

Edited July 31, 2020 by DoctorG

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

51 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

A lot to unpack.

You seem to know about this. Thank you.

What is the significance of the Dec 14 date, Supreme Court, and back to the House to resolve. I read conflicting stuff on this.

Thanks.

["Election Day was fixed by a federal law passed in 1845, and the Constitution itself in the 20th Amendment specifies that the newly elected Congress meet at noon on Jan. 3, 2021, and that the terms of the president and vice president end at noon on Jan. 20, 2021," Calabresi said. "If no newly elected president is available, the Speaker of the House of Representatives becomes acting president." (Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is the current Speaker.)]

 

There are probably other sources, but this was in an article I posted earlier.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/30/cofounder-of-conservative-federalist-society-calls-for-president-trump-to-be-impeached/#5c2af3922a01

 

[DoctorG]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

["Election Day was fixed by a federal law passed in 1845, and the Constitution itself in the 20th Amendment specifies that the newly elected Congress meet at noon on Jan. 3, 2021, and that the terms of the president and vice president end at noon on Jan. 20, 2021," Calabresi said. "If no newly elected president is available, the Speaker of the House of Representatives becomes acting president." (Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is the current Speaker.)]

 

There are probably other sources, but this was in an article I posted earlier.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/30/cofounder-of-conservative-federalist-society-calls-for-president-trump-to-be-impeached/#5c2af3922a01

 

Thanks but there was something else that I read and now cannot find about the procedure if a result could not be met by a certain date.

[KarenBravo]

11 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Indeed. That is why I did not show the full story. I does however show that what you earlier stated was incorrect.

I repeat; the Democrats are NOT going to abolish the police. Opinions by anyone not in the House, or Senate means nothing.

[Scott]

Numerous Off-topic posts and replies removed.  Defunding of the police is not related to the possibility of delaying elections.   The reasoning for the possible delay is due to the pandemic.  

 

 

[wwest5829]

13 hours ago, ukrules said:

Lol, this is hilarious. It's not going to happen but there's still going to be a meltdown by the opposition.

The, “opposition” being the  institution of the US?

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

The US Constitution gives Congress the power to set election dates, and mandates that Trump's Presidency end at noon on January 20, 2021 unless he is re-elected.

 

However I seriously doubt that Trump will let the Constitution or law prevent him from attempting to delay the election if he thinks he can get away with it.

 

there is no requirement in the constitution for a vote by all registered americans.  states are simply required to assign electors to vote in the electoral college.  trump only needs to get republican state legislators to assign electors to trump, regardless of results of statewide elections.  legally, the state legislatures could cancel the state elections altogether.  legally, the states can ignore the results of a biden landslide in their states and appoint their electors to trump.  republicans control enough states to theoretically win.  conveniently, the supreme court recently ruled that electors must vote as directed by their state legislators or can be replaced.

[wwest5829]

13 hours ago, Logosone said:

Masks? I don't know that inflames me a whole lot more.

 

I suppose you want to rig the elections against Trump since you know full well most of his supporters won't show if they have to wear masks. They'd rather not vote than have to wear a mask.

 

 

 

 

And I would support the Trump supporters right to control their own body (right of choice) and their right to die ... just so they stay away from me and mine ...