3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Millions will suffer life long consequences from the virus also. Sad some are willing to toss the sick and elderly under the bus just to be able to go to the bar.

 

With that being said, no easy answers. Read what's going on in New Zealand. Scary.

Its not scary at all.Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die.But the long time effects of the worldwide lockdown will be much worse than the disease will ever be.

Several years from now, when people's thoughts once again are driven by logic and common sense, rather than kneejerk emotion, we may very well find that the cure was worse than the disease.

 

Of the reported 800,000 global deaths, it's not entirely clear how many are a result of COVID, and COVID only. That is, deaths in which there were no pre-existing, underlying conditions versus inevitable deaths that were accelerated by the virus. We may never know.

 

What we will know, however, is the long-term effect of the "cure". In the US alone, tens of millions have lost their jobs. Many millions more have been condemned to irrecoverable financial ruin, particularly small business owners who had invested everything in their businesses that will never re-open. Government assistance to help those affected comes at a steep price, which will be borne by our children and possibly grandchildren for many, many years to come. Consider the rest of the developed world, and the economic impact is staggering.

 

Those countries that have effectively shut down their economies in order to slow the spread are essentially betting that a viable vaccine and/or treatment will be available well before the virus will have run its course through the general population. It's a risky bet. The longer it takes for the virus to run through the population, the more resulting economic damage. As we know, "slowing the spread" flattens the infection curve, but at the same time, lengthens the overall timeframe resulting in a relatively equal number of infections in the end. To further complicate the shut-down decision, it's not certain whether the final death toll would be significantly different comparing a shorter versus longer timeframe for the virus to work its way through the entire population.

 

The decision makers had to weigh a well-defined economic and social impact on one hand, versus many virus-related unknowns on the other hand. Only time will tell whether they've made the right decisions.

22 hours ago, Yahooka said:

Its not scary at all.Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die.But the long time effects of the worldwide lockdown will be much worse than the disease will ever be.

Tell the millions suffering life long consequences from covid that it's not scary. Good luck. P.S. more than a few thousand have died.

 

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-long-term-health-covid-19-impact-lungs-heart-kidneys-t178770

 

More than a third of of patients, or 35%, not sick enough to be hospitalized still weren't back to normal up to three weeks after testing positive, according to a survey published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in July. Those who had lingering symptoms mostly complained about fatigue, cough and headache.

22 hours ago, Yahooka said:

Its not scary at all.Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die.But the long time effects of the worldwide lockdown will be much worse than the disease will ever be.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/08/from-lung-scarring-to-heart-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/

2 hours ago, DrDave said:

Several years from now, when people's thoughts once again are driven by logic and common sense, rather than kneejerk emotion, we may very well find that the cure was worse than the disease.

 

Of the reported 800,000 global deaths, it's not entirely clear how many are a result of COVID, and COVID only. That is, deaths in which there were no pre-existing, underlying conditions versus inevitable deaths that were accelerated by the virus. We may never know.

 

What we will know, however, is the long-term effect of the "cure". In the US alone, tens of millions have lost their jobs. Many millions more have been condemned to irrecoverable financial ruin, particularly small business owners who had invested everything in their businesses that will never re-open. Government assistance to help those affected comes at a steep price, which will be borne by our children and possibly grandchildren for many, many years to come. Consider the rest of the developed world, and the economic impact is staggering.

 

Those countries that have effectively shut down their economies in order to slow the spread are essentially betting that a viable vaccine and/or treatment will be available well before the virus will have run its course through the general population. It's a risky bet. The longer it takes for the virus to run through the population, the more resulting economic damage. As we know, "slowing the spread" flattens the infection curve, but at the same time, lengthens the overall timeframe resulting in a relatively equal number of infections in the end. To further complicate the shut-down decision, it's not certain whether the final death toll would be significantly different comparing a shorter versus longer timeframe for the virus to work its way through the entire population.

 

The decision makers had to weigh a well-defined economic and social impact on one hand, versus many virus-related unknowns on the other hand. Only time will tell whether they've made the right decisions.

One of the things you need in order to get the economy running again is consumers spending money. Some 75% of Americans have said they won't go out if the virus is raging. Which it is. Until the virus is controlled, the economy will suffer. 

On 8/15/2020 at 1:26 PM, IamNoone88 said:

20 - 30% is an exaggeration to say the least - more 5 - 10% is open. It is like a scene from the Walking Dead, minus the Walkers. 

the same in kata

I just came back from a week there.

aside from the thais and some japanese, I saw less that 10 foreigners per day

 

I saw only 4 open restaurants and zero open shops along the whole strip

however, the restaurants treated me like I was a superstar...even the beach chair guys acted friendly and asked if I would be back the next day...

oh.. there were 2 places selling condos open

 

so I had a great time, and will go back for next month's holiday...

7 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

One of the things you need in order to get the economy running again is consumers spending money. Some 75% of Americans have said they won't go out if the virus is raging. Which it is. Until the virus is controlled, the economy will suffer. 

... which is exactly why "slowing the spread" when there's no viable vaccine on the immediate horizon will prolong the devastating impact on global economies.

On 8/15/2020 at 12:20 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Almost 800,000 dead globally, with many more to come, and millions more suffering life long consequences from the virus. You really need a better source for your news.

Almost 250,000 people die daily in the world from all causes. The only thing lacking in the Covid response is reality and perspective. More than 1 million people die every year from misquito associated diseases. 

Those making all the decisions are still getting paid. I wonder if the decisions would be different if they also lost their incomes.

18 hours ago, DrDave said:

... which is exactly why "slowing the spread" when there's no viable vaccine on the immediate horizon will prolong the devastating impact on global economies.

If consumers won't go out due to fear, the impact will be devastating. Either way, the impact is devastating. No easy answers here.

 

16 hours ago, Reigntax said:

Almost 250,000 people die daily in the world from all causes. The only thing lacking in the Covid response is reality and perspective. More than 1 million people die every year from misquito associated diseases. 

Those making all the decisions are still getting paid. I wonder if the decisions would be different if they also lost their incomes.

Comparisons like this don't make sense. They've been trying to get a jab for mozzie diseases for decades. No luck so far.

 

It would be great to see those in charge lose their incomes just like those they supposedly are supposed to help.

On 8/17/2020 at 3:58 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Tell the millions suffering life long consequences from covid that it's not scary. Good luck. P.S. more than a few thousand have died.

 

https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-long-term-health-covid-19-impact-lungs-heart-kidneys-t178770

 

More than a third of of patients, or 35%, not sick enough to be hospitalized still weren't back to normal up to three weeks after testing positive, according to a survey published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in July. Those who had lingering symptoms mostly complained about fatigue, cough and headache.

I said : ".Off the millions that will get infected with Covid-19,a few thousands will die." And off all the persons who get infected 0,55 will get sick.

The cure for this virus is still gonna be worse than the disease itself.