Black man shot in back by police in Wisconsin city, governor says, curfew imposed

[whaleboneman]

2 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

if a person does not respond to police and police fear he might take a gun out of his car...

they still do not have the right to execute him...

[whaleboneman]

7 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

He's not dead is he?

not yet. but seven shots in the back is definitely a failed execution for now.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

2 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

if a person does not respond to police and police fear he might take a gun out of his car...

they still do not have the right to execute him...

Absolutely agreed.

 

However, your comment is ’too simplistic’ given the situation. 

 

How could Mr Blake be stopped? - he was (allegedly) carrying a knife, a taser had no impact (or didn’t work), he was reaching into his car. 

 

The situation clearly escalated to ’threat of life’ to the Police officers and general public and children inside the car. 

- If Mr Blake was retrieving a gun? - then what? officers could have been shot

- If Mr Blake was getting into the car to drive off? then what? innocents at risk and kids in the car at risk

 

It is clear Mr Blake needed to be stopped. 

It is clear the situation was handled poorly, at least from the time that the video had started recording. 

 

Why was Mr Blake being restrained (or attempted) in the first place? 

 

What did Mr Blake do to cause the Police to try and retrain him?

He was at the scene breaking up a fight (according to reports). Why didn’t he step back and allow the Police to do their Jobs and break up the fight? OR, was Mr Blake involved in the flight and he was being arrested (he has a record of domestic abuse, strangulation).

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

Unfortunately this issue is so dichotomised by race it is becoming impossible for so many (world wide) to discuss with balance and a lack of bias. 

 

 

It's also getting to the stage whereby the US is going to require a segregated Police Force - one where everyone is policed by any police officer, and another where blacks are policed only by black police officers. 

 

I’m sure we all agree this is not a world we want to live in. 

 

 

Racism is an issue and here is such a thing as white privilege not because of ‘us’ because the privilege afforded to our grandparents and great grandparents and how social norms were established. 

 

However, violent protests do nothing for eradicating stereotypes and further dichotomise these issues. 

 

Too many people looking for problems and issues which sometimes may not be there. 

 

Jacob Blake getting shot ‘could’ just be a case of poor policing - a guy getting shot because he resisted arrest and the police failed to do a better job of restraining him. 

That said, had the police performed better in restraining Jacob Black they would be vilified for over use of force.

 

Given the political and racial climate - no good can come of a White Police Officer attempting to arrest a black person who is resisting arrest - its getting to the stage where its better for the Police Force not to attend such calls and face the consequences of failing in their duty to respond rather than be criticised for their actions. 

 

Dangerous consequences and a complex issue which involves far more than ‘black guy / white guy’ which people are trying to make it out to be. 

 

 

[Dap]

OMG! Six of you thought this article is (right off the bat) funny. What am I missing here? Where is there any humor to be had? An unarmed man was shot in the back several times.

Edited August 25, 2020 by Dap

[JeffersLos]

19 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Why aren't the blacks policing their own neighborhoods?

1. Blacks don't have 'their own neighborhoods.' Segregation ended along time ago.

 

2. Blacks are members of the police force, and thus police neighborhoods.

 

3. Are you still living in 1930's Alabama? ????

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Early days yet but some reports said that they had tasered him first but the taser malfunctioned so then they drew their sidearms.

 

Source for the taser malfunction? 

Oh jeez Tonto, it was a speculative one-off from any one of hundreds of news feeds when it was breaking news last night. I don't tend to bookmark 'em so do your own googling.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Oh jeez Tonto, it was a speculative one-off from any one of hundreds of news feeds when it was breaking news last night. I don't tend to bookmark 'em so do your own googling.

 

I get that most of your post was sarcasm, I just thought that part was serious. If it wasn't, then ok. 

[Dap]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

This is the problem with making outlandish assumptions, they are often wrong. 

Or more often "black and white" in front of your face, but you will defend these ruthless, thugs with guns that people all over America fear. You sir need psychiatric help.

[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I get that most of your post was sarcasm, I just thought that part was serious. If it wasn't, then ok. 

More than one news feed (and more than one member here) has commented on the taser being reported as either malfunctioning or being ineffective. If it was, it didn't work then yes, maybe Blake did escalate the situation by walking away from the cops but in my book, walking away from cops is as life-threatening as the spooked black guy that got shot in the back while running away from more spooked cops at a Burger King a few months back.

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

More than one news feed (and more than one member here)

 

Negative, nobody other than you has reported that there was a taser malfunction, and I haven't read anything about it, anywhere. In fact, in this entire thread I am the only one that sourced the police actually using a taser at all. 

 

If its real, then it would be good to have a source? 

[PoodThaiMaiDai]

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I do find it ineresting that white men with military-style weapons playing soldier can swan around Walmart, or occupy their State House, and the police treat them with deference. But OMG, an unarmed black man, "must shoot".

 

Anyone who denies systematic racism in the wider U.S., and among the police, is not being truthful with you or themselves.

 

"All men are created equal..."  "With Liberty and Justice for all...". I think I realized these words were "aspirational", and not representative of reality, in the third grade. 

 

Ultimately Insurance companies will drive police reform, without which cities and towns will go bust.

 

And when the police murder a white person, all heck breaks loose. See Justine Diamond/Minneapolis/2017.

 

 

 

 

 

The white men in question are not a threat because they comply with commands and are not there to harm the police or anyone else.  This is a political stance.

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

I having trouble processing how all these unarmed black men keep getting killed by the police in woke Democrat Party run states and cities; it's all very perplexing.

[Puchaiyank]

6 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Sorry my American friends,  but there is something profoundly sick in your society.  This is just the latest manifestation of it. Your gun laws are more suited to Military action or the wild west than the twenty first century. You fairly routinely massacre a few of your school children.  Your black citizens, not to say anything of Native Americans and Hispanics, are barely tolerated by many white communities and to top it all, your Police are out of control moronic thugs. There is a virus in the US, but its not Covid 19 and it is much more deadly. 

You forgot the American propensity for aborting their unborn babies and renewed call to turn America into a socialist state...

 

About half the country would like to salvage this sinking ship...the other half hell-bent on destruction...

 

One constant in life...change!

 

BTW...it has been unsafe for anyone other than blacks entering a black community for decades...

[i84teen]

Just another case of systemic stupidity on the part of the idiot that was shot.

Don't resist, don't run, NEVER hide your hands, NEVER reach for "something" when the coppers are attempting an arrest. U think this dude would have learned this by now.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

15 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

You forgot the American propensity for aborting their unborn babies and renewed call to turn America into a socialist state...

 

About half the country would like to salvage this sinking ship...the other half hell-bent on destruction...

 

One constant in life...change!

 

BTW...it has been unsafe for anyone other than blacks entering a black community for decades...

 

More Trumpian, entitled white man nonsense.

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I having trouble processing how all these unarmed black men keep getting killed by the police in woke Democrat Party run states and cities; it's all very perplexing.

 

Perhaps because U.S. law enforcement has persistently and chronically racist elements among some officers, regardless of what political party has control in the jurisdiction.

 

[Sujo]

Black man and white man stopped by police. I know which one i would rather be.

[Puchaiyank]

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

More Trumpian, entitled white man nonsense.

 

Another bleeding heart entitled liberal...unable to accept responsibility or deal with reality. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Another bleeding heart entitled liberal...unable to accept responsibility or deal with reality. 

 

Your Faux Reality... yes.. absolutely correct...

 

I'm not among the legion of Trump fans here who are continually posting patently false, misleading, distorted, fringe, conspiracy theory loon posts.

 

No president in modern U.S. history has done more to divide the country and pit Americans against each other, falsely demonizing various groups, than Trump has...  But then again, he's doing exactly what Russia and Putin want him to do.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Puchaiyank]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Your Faux Reality... yes.. absolutely correct...

 

I'm not among the legion of Trump fans here who are continually posting patently false, misleading, distorted, fringe, conspiracy theory loon posts.

 

No president in modern U.S. history has done more to divide the country and pit Americans against each other, falsely demonizing various groups, than Trump has...  But then again, he's doing exactly what Russia and Putin want him to do.

 

 

Son, you need to come back to earth and smell the roses...that weed has messed up your ability to think rationally. 

[The Barmbeker]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

The same eyewitness that made one of the viral videos, yes. 

 

Certainly more substantial evidence than you've been bringing to the discussion.

 

So you take at face value what he said, happened BEFORE the video.

At the same time, you doubt EVERYTHING you SEE in the actual video and make up wild stories, about what he might have held in his hand or what he reached for, when he opened the car (given, he reached for anything!).

Yup...ask again, what about what you are saying is racist!

 

[bert bloggs]

Only two things i can say ,one is why did he not just stop as told (i am sure you or i would)

and two why did the people in the neighbourhood then burn down shops and loot them? to me its not what decent people do .

After saying that i cannot for the life of me understand why the copper fired seven shots.

[The Barmbeker]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Whelp, BLM are now in full swing. 

 

Burning cars, buildings, bashing businesses, pulling guns on reporters. 

 

Also allegedly some families trapped in a burning building they set on fire. 

 

National guard is out too. 

Like you always ask for: source?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, The Barmbeker said:

So you take at face value what he said, happened BEFORE the video.

At the same time, you doubt EVERYTHING you SEE in the actual video and make up wild stories, about what he might have held in his hand or what he reached for, when he opened the car (given, he reached for anything!).

Yup...ask again, what about what you are saying is racist!

 

 

 

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Police shot Jacob Blake, who witnesses said had been trying to break up an argument between two women, as he walked back toward his silver SUV on Sunday, an officer trailing behind. As three of Blake’s sons looked on from the vehicle, the officer fired seven times toward Blake’s back at close range. The incident was caught on video, which immediately ricocheted across the Internet.

 

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Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers (D) on Monday signed an executive order calling the state’s legislature into a special session for Aug. 31 to pass legislation that would ban no-knock warrants and chokeholds while requiring de-escalation training for officers.

“While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country,” Evers said in a statement. “We stand with all those who have and continue to demand justice, equity, and accountability for Black lives in our country.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/

 

[teacherclaire]

 Protests erupted in Kenosha in the U.S. state of Wisconsin after police shot an apparently unarmed Black man multiple times in the back, according to the state governor, prompting authorities to impose a curfew.

 

Time to let him go. ( to jail) Such people shouldn't be cops. 

[Dap]

3 hours ago, Dap said:

OMG! Six of you thought this article is (right off the bat) funny. What am I missing here? Where is there any humor to be had? An unarmed man was shot in the back several times.

By a ruthless and out of control thug force who seemingly answer to no one. Anyone see a problem here?

[The Barmbeker]

2 minutes ago, i84teen said:

The Marxist destruction of the First and Second Amendments seems to have slipped by you. Marxist censorship and the cancel culture seem to have slipped by you.

Liberals arbitrarily picking which laws to enforce and which groups to enforce the laws against is marxism.

The abject corruption of the Dems in Ukraine and China. Many Dems are owned and operated by China, Senile Joe and the billion dollar Chinese hedge fund managed by the Biden family is a prime example of the corruption and Chinese control.

And all u can come up with is Putin, in a discussion about a police shooting of a dangerous felon resisting arrest

A big fat nothing burger from an ignorant person.

 

You must have been sleeping when the Mike Brown attacked the cop, got shot, and touched off riots all over the country. If you cared to be honest, you would remember that was when your savior Obama gave birth to BLM.

Maybe off- topic (but so is your unhinged post!)

Did you - by any chance, watch (parts) of the 1st day of the RNC?

All your side has left, are lies and the boogeyman!

We all have missed the Marxist revolution in America and the attack on the 1st and 2nd ammendment!

Because it only happens in the head of confused right- wingers! 

[Dap]

Just now, Dap said:

By a ruthless and out of control thug force who seemingly answer to no one. Anyone see a problem here?

It could easily have been me, or ... maybe even ... you

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

If unarmed, non-life-threatening white people were regularly being shot to death by the police in the U.S., then perhaps some of the right-wing posters here would reconsider their opinions...

 

But in the absence of that, I can only presume that they think it's OK when police officers shoot unarmed, non-life-threatening black people, because I never hear any right wingers complaining about it.. and instead, find them just grasping for excuses and justifications to excuse illegal, abhorrent, racist conduct.