Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[Lacessit]

Trump is just dogwhistling his support base.

[Scott]

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[DBath]

On 9/5/2020 at 12:19 PM, Sujo said:

And you want 4 more years of this.

I’ll take 4 more, if Biden/Harris is the alternative. 

[DBath]

On 9/5/2020 at 9:14 PM, JensenZ said:

Yeah, we heard this over and over during his impeachment trial. It was tiring, hearing this nonsense day after day - He's dangerous! He's dangerous! Nancy recites this mantra nearly everyday. The danger is on the other side, using Biden to sneak in Harris. It's pretty obvious he's not up the the task. Careful what you wish for. 

 

You should study up on what's actually going on in China. There's a power struggle there too. Many in the CCP are dissatisfied with Xi's leadership and it's starting to show signs of cracking. China has far too many of their own problems to become a pre-eminent world power.

I hope Xi gets forced out. Pervasive infiltration by Chinese CCP operatives into US universities and various research entities has been well documented by the FBI. CCP was caught redhanded and given the boot from Houston and a number of spies were rounded up. My wife and I had planned to move to Shanghai from Chicago last Feb to start a business and then covid hit. Now due to China’s poor relations with not only the US, but Hong Kong and Taiwan, it looks like we’ll be stuck here in LOS until things get sorted out. It could be much worse though, as we could be stuck back in the US. LOS is a good place to be at the moment. 

[DBath]

On 9/6/2020 at 7:13 AM, Credo said:

In which case, it would be wise to dump Trump, since this happening under his watch.  The demonstrations will continue until the core issue is addressed and that is systemic racism and police abuse.   That's not going to happen under Trump.   He's made that clear.   

 

You might consider that while there are things that need to be fixed regarding law enforcement those problems pale in comparison to violence being committed by blacks, who only make up 13% of the population, yet they commit 20% more murders and also more robberies than whites do. These are the most violent crimes and they want a pass with no consequences. Cops are put under the microscope and scrutinized by the media and those in the black community even when they justifiably kill a black criminal who may have had it coming. Then you have the white sympathizers piling on. The police can’t even effectively do their jobs anymore - not hard to see why they might lack motivation to do their jobs.

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, moose7117 said:

 

Trump did exactly what he was supposed to do !

 

Let Covid run rampant, in reality it is mostly the elderly, inherently sick, unemployable and burdens on society that are dyeing.

 

So does it matter ? 

Society won't miss em.

Yeah. I am sure you would say that if it was your Mom. Empathy, just like the non leader. 

Edited September 7, 2020 by spidermike007

[DBath]

On 9/5/2020 at 12:13 PM, Sujo said:

what cities are destroyed?

 

 

You can’t be serious... Nobody said anything about whole cities being destroyed. You might want to pose your question to the business owners whose businesses were completely burned down and destroyed - there have been many: in cities like Portland, Kenosha, Minneapolis, New York, Atlanta, Seattle and now Rochester to name just a few. While your at it, I’d be interested in hearing your rationale/justification for those actions by the rioters. 

[stevenl]

On 9/4/2020 at 6:31 PM, CorpusChristie said:

If the rioters and looters and arsonists would stop destroying the cities,  there would be no need for anyone to defend the cities .

  Are you an Antifa sympathizer ?

 

1 hour ago, DBath said:

You can’t be serious... Nobody said anything about whole cities being destroyed. <snip>

 

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

 

Quite obviously I meant the parts of the cities that are being set on fire and not the parts of the cities that are not being set on fire

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, DBath said:

You can’t be serious... Nobody said anything about whole cities being destroyed. You might want to pose your question to the business owners whose businesses were completely burned down and destroyed - there have been many: in cities like Portland, Kenosha, Minneapolis, New York, Atlanta, Seattle and now Rochester to name just a few. While your at it, I’d be interested in hearing your rationale/justification for those actions by the rioters. 

Who is justifying the riots?

[Sujo]

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Quite obviously I meant the parts of the cities that are being set on fire and not the parts of the cities that are not being set on fire

Quite obviously you should be a bit more careful with the hyperbole then.

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Quite obviously you should be a bit more careful with the hyperbole then.

Yes, I shall try and be more concise in the future .

When I state that people should stop destroying things , I shall make it very clear that I am only referring to the actual things that they are destroying and NOT the things that they are not destroying .

  Apologies for causing confusion 

[DBath]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Quite obviously I meant the parts of the cities that are being set on fire and not the parts of the cities that are not being set on fire

It was obvious to me what you meant. Not sure what game is being played here, but I know the definition of hyperbole and I don’t understand why one of the posters here is using that word. I feel like some are baiting to get others into a situation where they can be suspended. As far as this topic goes, I think it has been beat to no end and I’m no longer going to offer my opinion, because I think it is accomplishing nothing, much similarly to the opposing views being offered here. 

[moose7117]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yeah. I am sure you would say that if it was your Mom. Empathy, just like the non leader. 

I am not saying i like or dislike his politics or agree with what he is doing.

As for the "Leader of the free world" anybody who believes the decisions he makes are without the influence of the movers and shakers , like Warren Muffet, the the delightful Koch's and some others should maybe have a better look at who is profiting from Americas shenanigans.

I simply do not understand the American people. and why the are behaving like the are.

[DBath]

4 hours ago, DBath said:

It was obvious to me what you meant. Not sure what game is being played here, but I know the definition of hyperbole and I don’t understand why one of the posters here is using that word. I feel like some are baiting to get others into a situation where they can be suspended. As far as this topic goes, I think it has been beat to no end and I’m no longer going to offer my opinion, because I think it is accomplishing nothing, much similarly to the opposing views being offered here. 

Dear ChorpusChristie, none of what I wrote is a knock on you. I respect you and agree with pretty much everything you say here. 

[Chiphigh]

On 9/1/2020 at 9:43 AM, Jingthing said:

The accused murderer is a white nationalist vigilante and an American president defends him. How low can he go? Always lower.

Please provide evidence for your claims. 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, moose7117 said:

I am not saying i like or dislike his politics or agree with what he is doing.

As for the "Leader of the free world" anybody who believes the decisions he makes are without the influence of the movers and shakers , like Warren Muffet, the the delightful Koch's and some others should maybe have a better look at who is profiting from Americas shenanigans.

I simply do not understand the American people. and why the are behaving like the are.

Only the most ardent supporters of this man will continue to defend him in the face of these accusations. They are totally in character with who the man is and virtually everything we know about him. They are in character with many statements that he's made about John McCain who was a genuine American hero, and quite a few other generals and military Intelligence people, who have worked for him.

 

This is a man who dodged the draft on five occasions, did everything in his power to avoid serving his nation at a time his nation asked for his service, and out of a sense of embarrassment, shame or just pure hubris, he continues to insult demean, and lack support for the men and women who put themselves in harm's way, to protect the nation.

 

There is no doubt that Trump is the opposite of a patriot, there is no doubt that Trump is a coward and a traitor, who will sell out  his nation to despotic dictators, and who will deny aid to faithful allies Hopefully we have just a few more months left of this nonsense and then he will be in gloriously ushered out of Washington to a life of humiliation, a completely radioactive name that nobody in their right mind is ever going to want to touch, and a crumbling mini empire. That is just what he deserves, that is what he's worked hard for and that is something that the world will celebrate. There is no honor in his game. 

[HeijoshinCool]

On 9/1/2020 at 12:57 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You're kinda forgetting the part where, apart from anything else, he was in illegal possession of a gun/rifle as a minor AND out at night in violation of curfew.  His whole presence there was illegal, and he was committing a criminal offense before anything at all happened with him.

 

Plus, AFAIK, it's not known what exactly led to the initial confrontation with this guy in the first place.  Lots of white militia were out with guns that night, but they weren't all being chased by crowds... Something happened at the outset prior to the first shooting.

 

Let's also remember, the first person the teenager fatally shot was NOT armed with a gun or a knife at all...  According to the videos, someone else unknown nearby fired a gun into the air (not at the teenager), and he responded by shooting the man who was chasing him.... who wasn't any kind of lethal threat.

 

 

 

All your points are irrelevant to the charge of murder. His illegal possession of a weapon, his crossing state lines, who started the entire episode, all are irrelevant. They are separate issues and the judge will instruct the jury to that effect.

 

Why? Because those three people he shot, along with many others, were physically attacking him, smashing him in the head with a skateboard, aggressively attempting to take away his rifle, aiming a handgun at him with obvious intent to shoot him (in his mind at least, meaning he lacked mens rea for murder).

 

In other words, they were not effecting a citizen arrest to take him into custody, they were attempting to do him grave bodily harm, or kill him. Compare that to police, who would have ordered him to drop his weapon, prone out, and be taken into custody. I doubt any law enforcement officer would have hit him with a ten-pound skateboard.

 

Whatever crimes he may have committed up to that point did not disallow him the right to protect his life, especially in Wisconsin, where the Castle Doctrine is law: any person may employ lethal force to defend their self or another if they are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. Kyle Rittenhouse had more than reasonable fear. 

 

An interesting aside is the person with the handgun threw up his hands in surrender, then when the Kyle's rifle jammed, he "unsurrended" and pointed his handgun back at Kyle, which is when Kyle shot him. Though civil unrest is not covered by the Geneva Convention, false surrender in war is a crime punishable by death.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, DBath said:

It was obvious to me what you meant. Not sure what game is being played here, but I know the definition of hyperbole and I don’t understand why one of the posters here is using that word. I feel like some are baiting to get others into a situation where they can be suspended. As far as this topic goes, I think it has been beat to no end and I’m no longer going to offer my opinion, because I think it is accomplishing nothing, much similarly to the opposing views being offered here. 

Quite simple, cities are not being destroyed

[moose7117]

19 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Only the most ardent supporters of this man will continue to defend him in the face of these accusations. They are totally in character with who the man is and virtually everything we know about him. They are in character with many statements that he's made about John McCain who was a genuine American hero, and quite a few other generals and military Intelligence people, who have worked for him.

 

This is a man who dodged the draft on five occasions, did everything in his power to avoid serving his nation at a time his nation asked for his service, and out of a sense of embarrassment, shame or just pure hubris, he continues to insult demean, and lack support for the men and women who put themselves in harm's way, to protect the nation.

 

There is no doubt that Trump is the opposite of a patriot, there is no doubt that Trump is a coward and a traitor, who will sell out  his nation to despotic dictators, and who will deny aid to faithful allies Hopefully we have just a few more months left of this nonsense and then he will be in gloriously ushered out of Washington to a life of humiliation, a completely radioactive name that nobody in their right mind is ever going to want to touch, and a crumbling mini empire. That is just what he deserves, that is what he's worked hard for and that is something that the world will celebrate. There is no honor in his game. 

 

it was you and your ilk that elected him, som nom nah !

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

34 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Please provide evidence for your claims. 

 

I don't know about Rittenhouse's personal views. But it is in the public record that on the day of his shootings, he was hanging out with white nationalist extremist armed militia members.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake

 

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/30/wisconsin-man-who-says-he-marched-rittenhouse-kenosha-was-immersed-white-supremacist

 

Can we judge a person by the company they keep?

 

I suspect we will end up learning more about Rittenhouse's personal views as his case plays out.

 

 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, DBath said:

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said:

All your points are irrelevant to the charge of murder. His illegal possession of a weapon, his crossing state lines, who started the entire episode, all are irrelevant. They are separate issues and the judge will instruct the jury to that effect.

 

Why? Because those three people he shot, along with many others, were physically attacking him, smashing him in the head with a skateboard, aggressively attempting to take away his rifle, aiming a handgun at him with obvious intent to shoot him (in his mind at least, meaning he lacked mens rea for murder).

 

In other words, they were not effecting a citizen arrest to take him into custody, they were attempting to do him grave bodily harm, or kill him. Compare that to police, who would have ordered him to drop his weapon, prone out, and be taken into custody. I doubt any law enforcement officer would have hit him with a ten-pound skateboard.

 

Whatever crimes he may have committed up to that point did not disallow him the right to protect his life, especially in Wisconsin, where the Castle Doctrine is law: any person may employ lethal force to defend their self or another if they are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. Kyle Rittenhouse had more than reasonable fear. 

 

An interesting aside is the person with the handgun threw up his hands in surrender, then when the Kyle's rifle jammed, he "unsurrended" and pointed his handgun back at Kyle, which is when Kyle shot him. Though civil unrest is not covered by the Geneva Convention, false surrender in war is a crime punishable by death.

Wrong, they show the intent of him being there.

the rest of you post is just nonsense with no basis in fact.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Sujo

[onthedarkside]

An off-topic post on an international gang, and another post containing profanity have been removed.

[PattayaJames]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

There is no doubt that Trump is the opposite of a patriot, there is no doubt that Trump is a coward and a traitor, who will sell out  his nation to despotic dictators, and who will deny aid to faithful allies Hopefully we have just a few more months left of this nonsense and then he will be in gloriously ushered out of Washington to a life of humiliation, a completely radioactive name that nobody in their right mind is ever going to want to touch, and a crumbling mini empire. That is just what he deserves, that is what he's worked hard for and that is something that the world will celebrate. There is no honor in his game. 

 

That''s quite some alternate reality you have created for yourself there.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, moose7117 said:

 

it was you and your ilk that elected him, som nom nah !

Not me. I have known who he was since the 1970's. A morally barren conman. 

[MajarTheLion]

On 8/31/2020 at 11:43 PM, Jingthing said:

The accused murderer is a white nationalist vigilante and an American president defends him. How low can he go? Always lower.

Why would a white nationalist shoot three white people? Please help me make sense of this. And please provide the basis for your claim.

[shdmn]

On 9/1/2020 at 11:55 AM, tribalfusion001 said:

Anyone who defends a wannabe 17 year old Rambo killer and says it self defence needs to see a shrink. He had no business being there walking around with an assault rifle, he was there to provoke a reaction and got one. His life is finished and two others are dead, well done stupid little boy!

Sadly, his life is not finished.  He will get off with manslaughter + being underage for a light sentence.  I fully expect him to be at the next Republican convention as a show piece and praised as some kind of hero.

 

Bunker boy could win by stealing the election and in that case he will pardon him assuming he is tried federally.

Edited September 7, 2020 by shdmn

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Why would a white nationalist shoot three white people? Please help me make sense of this. And please provide the basis for your claim.

Because they sympathize with his enemies.

[Credo]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Why would a white nationalist shoot three white people? Please help me make sense of this. And please provide the basis for your claim.

Well someone seems to think they are the teacher and not only ask for an answer but the 'basis of your claim.'  It's not too difficult to figure out.   A supremacist would should a white person who is helping black people.  

 

[MajarTheLion]

 

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I don't know about Rittenhouse's personal views. But it is in the public record that on the day of his shootings, he was hanging out with white nationalist extremist armed militia members.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake

 

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/30/wisconsin-man-who-says-he-marched-rittenhouse-kenosha-was-immersed-white-supremacist

 

Can we judge a person by the company they keep?

 

I suspect we will end up learning more about Rittenhouse's personal views as his case plays out.

 

 

Your link's source states Rittenhouse has no connection to the Bugaloo Boys.

 

"While Balch said Rittenhouse “had no connection” to the loosely organized group, he noted that as many as 32 boogaloo adherents were in Kenosha that day."

 

Even if there was a connection, there is no one definition for the Bugaloo Boys. From Wikipedia:

 

"Some are white supremacist or neo-Nazi groups who believe that the impending unrest will be a race war.^{[note 3]} There are also groups that condemn racism and white supremacy.^"

 

If you have some information on any crimes these individuals committed in Kenosha that day, I would love to see it. I have not seen any such information, but certainly do not claim to have all the info that's out there. Now, the flip side of this line of attack on Rittenhouse is that it opens that same line of attack on the people he shot. That does not bode well for the people who want to send Rittenhouse to prison.

 

Also, what will really matter in a court of law is the relevant events that evening. Rittenhouse's attorneys have released a statement on what happened that day. After Rittenhouse's shift as a lifeguard in Kenosha ended that day (there goes the traveling from out of state to kill angle), Rittenhouse volunteered to clean up graffiti in Kenosha. Later, he heard about a local businessman needing help to protect his business from rioters. He and his friend went and stood watch, protecting the business from being vandalized and destroyed. At one point, he also grabbed a first aid kit, sought out and treated injured protesters. I believe the media will once again look foolish for trying to digitally lynch this young man and he will likely win a settlement with a few media outlets, as his legal team is the same team that represented Nick Sandmann. And as we can probably agree on, lawyers go to where they smell blood in the water.

 

The lawyers posted their statement here. I predict that Rittenhouse will be convicted of nothing more than a charge related to carrying a firearm under age.