UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

If this goes through it will be an other blow to the Brits becoming even more insignificant. That is what you get for leaving the EU. If Scotland is gone maybe Ireland can be united again and the English will be just a tiny country in a big world. 

 

Im getting popcorn this might be nice to watch. English free from the EU but becoming the US its slave. ????

 

Anyway lets wait and see.

That is what you get for leaving the EU.

It's just not allowed, is it?

How very dare we! 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I should imagine you might expect it to be  a parallel of the relationship between the Netherlands and The Federal Republic of Germany?

 

You know I am frequently at a loss to understand the deep antagonism to the United Kingdom (or more particularly England) expressed by so many on Thai Visa - and perhaps if you reflect accurately the views of your home countries, Western Europeans in general. You are not the only one of course, but in your case it is such a thoroughly reliable meme that it is almost disappointing on those rare occasions that you do not introduce it!

 

Do tell, why is it - I'm sure that it is nothing as simple as jealousy at the way the United Kingdom (or "England" as it is normally referred to in the pejorative sense) refused to allow itself to be subjugated to German occupation in 1940, and four years later was at the lead in liberating you from that subjugation?

Why would I be jealous of the UK it has the same <deleted> weather as the Netherlands. I as a realist also understand that its beneficial for a small country like mine (and even the UK) to be in a large trading block.

 

Do i like everything from the EU ? No I dont but I dont like everything about my goverment too.

 

Not sure what age your from bringing WW2 into it but i see a lot of OAP's on this forum bringing it up.

 

Anyway the UK wanted to leave now Scotland want to leave its only fair to let them. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

That is what you get for leaving the EU.

It's just not allowed, is it?

How very dare we! 

Of course its allowed but so then the Scots should be allowed to leave is not ?.

 

Leaving the UK even smaller and even more insignificant. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You are failing to recognise the difference between the SNP and independence.

A vote for independence will depend on the factors prevailing at the time of any referendum. In 2014 the number in favour of independence was much higher than the result of the referendum would indicate, a percentage just did not want Alex Salmond as their president. Also David Cameron's promise to the Scottish people that they would have a voice at the EU table was a contributing factor, something that Bojo conveniently wants to forget.

Cameron also said that he would stay on if the UK voted leave. Why should Boris need to worry about Cameron's 'promises'?  

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Majority of Scots now want independence and Brexiteers fly into a panic.

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) why are you English/British nationalist so desperate to keep paying for it?

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) how is that a good advertisment for remaining in the Union? If a country so resource rich as Scotland is flat broke then its because of the union. Its because we are tied to Westminster.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU. We are being dragged out against our will. We want back in.

 

Britain is leaving the EU and Scotland is leaving eu

[herfiehandbag]

Just now, robblok said:

Why would I be jealous of the UK it has the same <deleted> weather as the Netherlands. I as a realist also understand that its beneficial for a small country like mine (and even the UK) to be in a large trading block.

 

Do i like everything from the EU ? No I dont but I dont like everything about my goverment too.

 

Not sure what age your from bringing WW2 into it but i see a lot of OAP's on this forum bringing it up.

 

Anyway the UK wanted to leave now Scotland want to leave its only fair to let them. 

Well thank you, you totally failed to answer my question - not exactly unexpectedly!

 

In the absence of any answer, I must presume that my analysis is correct.

 

Incidentally, I am not yet an OAP (a few years to go). However I do understand that often, events and views on events in the past, which were not (the events) experienced by an individual often have a significant influence on their views.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Of course its allowed but so then the Scots should be allowed to leave is not ?.

 

Leaving the UK even smaller and even more insignificant. 

The Scots had a referendum in 2014. All you seem to want to do is wish insignificance for the UK.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well thank you, you totally failed to answer my question - not exactly unexpectedly!

 

In the absence of any answer, I must presume that my analysis is correct.

 

Incidentally, I am not yet an OAP (a few years to go). However I do understand that often, events and views on events in the past, which were not (the events) experienced by an individual often have a significant influence on their views.

Point is UK left EU, now the Scots want to leave too. Fair is fair.

 

I do know that many in the UK seem to still hate the Germans. Not sure why maybe some sort of misplaced pride. They were almost conquered by the Germans had the Americans and the Russians not helped. So it pays to be part of a bigger thing. Strange that the UK did not learn that lessen. But only learned to hate.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

The Scots had a referendum in 2014. All you seem to want to do is wish insignificance for the UK.

That was before the EU vote, things changed. 

You voted to get into the EU.. now you vote to get out. I mean you don't have to stand by your decision eternally neither do the Scots.

 

And yes i would find it fitting for the nationalistic Brexiteers if they lost Scotland because of this. 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Point is UK left EU, now the Scots want to leave too. Fair is fair.

 

I do know that many in the UK seem to still hate the Germans. Not sure why maybe some sort of misplaced pride. They were almost conquered by the Germans had the Americans and the Russians not helped. So it pays to be part of a bigger thing. Strange that the UK did not learn that lessen. But only learned to hate.

More lessons from the learned.  

 

 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

That was before the EU vote, things changed. 

You voted to get into the EU.. now you vote to get out. I mean you don't have to stand by your decision eternally neither do the Scots.

 

And yes i would find it fitting for the nationalistic Brexiteers if they lost Scotland because of this. 

I knew it!

[vogie]

19 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Britain is leaving the EU and Scotland is leaving eu

Britain has left the EU, Scotland voted to remain in the UK, but the irony is that when Scotland voted in their referendum if the result had gone the other way, the EU would most possibly have kicked them out as it was the UK that was a member, so in actual effect it was Scotland that was voting to leave the EU.

[Gandtee]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s the time because you guys decided to go Brexit! Now you’re gonna reap what you’ve sewn! 

Sounds like the Jocks are being stitched up.????

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Gandtee said:

Sounds like the Jocks are being stitched up.????

Like an Arbroath Smokie. ????????????

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I knew it!

What is wrong with the irony of the UK leaving the EU and Scotland leaving UK. I mean it would be truly funny that those who voted to leave from nationalistic reasons now all of a sudden lose a lot land and become a lot smaller.

 

I mean if you don't see the humor in that then you have no humor. Of course your on the other side so you would probably bash your face in with.. dammm there are consequences to a brexit that you dont like.

[Henryford]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Funny how Scottish nationalists are aghast at Brexiteers wanting to leave the EU even though the EU is it's largest trading partner. How could they be so stupid etc.

 

Then they declare they want to leave the UK ????. 

 

 

We should let the Scots leave. Would be fun seeing them use the Scottish Pound and trying to run an economy without trading with England.

[cmarshall]

3 hours ago, crazykopite said:

I think she is referring to the Barnett formula that Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland receive  I’m led to believe that Scotland get in the region of £2,000+ for each person each year.

I know what she is referring to.  My question is: is it true?

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Funny how Scottish nationalists are aghast at Brexiteers wanting to leave the EU even though the EU is it's largest trading partner. How could they be so stupid etc.

 

Then they declare they want to leave the UK ????. 

You realise the shoe is on the other foot here?

[Surelynot]

4 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Is the claim of a 2000 pound union bonus correct?

I think you are making the mistake of thinking facts and correct statements mean a thing to this Tory government.

[evadgib]

39 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Britain is leaving the EU and Scotland is leaving eu

???????? and ????????????????????????????? 

[cmarshall]

I have to confess that I am enjoying the Brexit spectacle, although I do feel sorry for the Leavers who through no fault of their own will no doubt suffer along with the Brexiteers.  The idea that a trading nation would voluntarily terminate all 700+ of its trade agreements in one blow just beggars belief.  The Tories are preparing to chuck Johnson and blame the whole debacle on him.  With any luck the Tories should be kept out of power for a generation.

 

Fintan O'Toole says of the British that they are unable to think of themselves as an ordinary nation dealing with other ordinary nations.  If they are not in full control then it must be because the Hunnish jackboot is on their throats.  It is a pity that the Brits never got over the Empire.  At least they will soon be able to console themselves with blue passports at long last.

 

Scotland will leave and join the EU.  It's just a better deal.

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

I have to confess that I am enjoying the Brexit spectacle, although I do feel sorry for the Leavers who through no fault of their own will no doubt suffer along with the Brexiteers.  The idea that a trading nation would voluntarily terminate all 700+ of its trade agreements in one blow just beggars belief.  The Tories are preparing to chuck Johnson and blame the whole debacle on him.  With any luck the Tories should be kept out of power for a generation.

 

Fintan O'Toole says of the British that they are unable to think of themselves as an ordinary nation dealing with other ordinary nations.  If they are not in full control then it must be because the Hunnish jackboot is on their throats.  It is a pity that the Brits never got over the Empire.  At least they will soon be able to console themselves with blue passports at long last.

 

Scotland will leave and join the EU.  It's just a better deal.

- By the time they're ready to apply there won't be an ???????? to join.

 

- My Blue passport arrived in June.

 

HTH

Edited September 3, 2020 by evadgib

[cmarshall]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

- By the time they're ready to apply there won't be an ???????? to join.

 

- My Blue passport arrived in June.

 

HTH

More likely by then there won't be a UK to leave.

[luckyluke]

I know we Flemish people have a special kind of humor, mostly only funny for ourselves ( something similar to British humour, only being funny and  understandable by Britons ).

Anyway I find it  funny/ironic that, now that Brexit will become a true reality, it is a part of the U.K. which want to leave,

when I read here frequently that Brexit is the first step for other European nations to follow.

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

I know you are sad to see the UK leaving the EU, do lederhosen shorts have deep pockets? ????????????

It’s called Schadenfreude ???? 

[sammieuk1]

It will be a £2500 deficit after friday and saturdays happy hour ????

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It’s called Schadenfreude ???? 

The bitterness you display doesn't really come across as pleasure. ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The Scots had a referendum in 2014.

That won’t stop the Scottish people from leaving it seems. 

 

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

All you seem to want to do is wish insignificance for the UK.

Brexit has achieved that already. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

The bitterness you display doesn't really come across as pleasure. ????

I appreciate that you care about my feelings, so it’s ok that you don’t really get them ???? 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Ooooohhhhhh scary. Ex pat Scots are funny.  

You should be as the Scots are subsidizing the England economy.