Why is Thailand not on the UK safe list?

[FarFlungFalang]

6 hours ago, Yinn said:

the way to control covid is what the doctor say 8 month already. Social distance, wear a mask, wash hands, temperature check etc. Thailand control covid 5 weeks this way. 

Covid is virus, that the way to reduce the virus. 

Unfortunately for Thailand the control covid 5 weeks has come to an end as the second wave has begun in Thailand with a prisoner testing positive which means he contracted the virus from someone else which means there are at least 2 cases in Thailand with one being an unknown source.

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

30 minutes ago, Bigz said:

Believe it or not Thailand certainly has a better record than the UK. There is no way they could hide thousands of infected people if that was the case. It would quickly spiral out of control in a matter of days.

Infected people don't have to have much in the way of symptoms, this is what is happening in Europe now. The clusters are mainly asymptomatic cases, Thailand doesn't test so doesn't find any clusters.

[tribalfusion001]

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Unfortunately for Thailand the control covid 5 weeks has come to an end as the second wave has begun in Thailand with a prisoner testing positive which means he contracted the virus from someone else which means there are at least 2 cases in Thailand with one being an unknown source.

 

 

Obvious from the start that there was local transmissions floating around.

[Benmart]

LOS = Land of Slight of Hand with numbers.

[mr mr]

what is thailand going to do when they have to actually open up again and truly confront what is happening. 

 

bull in a china shop. 

[polpott]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

Infected people don't have to have much in the way of symptoms, this is what is happening in Europe now. The clusters are mainly asymptomatic cases, Thailand doesn't test so doesn't find any clusters.

The clue is in your use of the word "mainly". If there were asymptomatic cases tthere would be a smaller number of symptomatic cases and a yet smaller number of deaths. Smaller but still there.

 

Figures from UK today: Cases 1508, steadily rising since the beginning of July (lockdown ending).

 

Patients admitted to hospital 109. Steadily declining since April.

 

Deaths 10. Steadily falling since April, a couple of weeks after lock down. 

 

My assertion is that the rise in cases in the UK is due to young people going out, enjoying themselves and failing to observe the basic Covid rules. Many of them are asymptomatic but some still get sick and some still die. 

 

 

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, SteveK said:

They've hardly done any testing hence the unbelievably low figures. I'm sure the bods in the UK know this. The numbers might be genuine but if they're doing 100 times less testing than the UK or USA, they're meaningless.

Isn't there a catch-22 in what you say? 

The virus doesn't cease to exist if testing is hardly done as it can still infect and kill regardless.

So if the rate of infection/hospitalization/deaths is increasing/plateau high while testing rate is low only points to the inadequacy of the testing that would otherwise provide opportunity to arrest the rates of infection/hospitalization/death. 

In Thailand there appears to be a balance or consistency between low testing and zero to low community infection/hospitalization/death.

Unless the Thai hospitals are all covering up infections, hospitalizations and deaths to the point of zero at the insistence of the government. There's been no evidence of such nationwide reporting suppression.

[LiveKiss]

“Clusters of asymptomatic cases” = healthy people who can’t transmit any disease, but happen to have in them the genetic sequence that the test picks up.

And let’s not forget that this genetic sequence is picked up from whole human tissue, not from any virus: therefore testing positive for covid does not mean having any kind of virus or even disease!

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, LiveKiss said:

“Clusters of asymptomatic cases” = healthy people who can’t transmit any disease, but happen to have in them the genetic sequence that the test picks up.

And let’s not forget that this genetic sequence is picked up from whole human tissue, not from any virus: therefore testing positive for covid does not mean having any kind of virus or even disease!

Asymptomatic people do transmit the disease. Your second paragraph is just nonsense.

[tribalfusion001]

20 minutes ago, polpott said:

The clue is in your use of the word "mainly". If there were asymptomatic cases tthere would be a smaller number of symptomatic cases and a yet smaller number of deaths. Smaller but still there.

 

Figures from UK today: Cases 1508, steadily rising since the beginning of July (lockdown ending).

 

Patients admitted to hospital 109. Steadily declining since April.

 

Deaths 10. Steadily falling since April, a couple of weeks after lock down. 

 

My assertion is that the rise in cases in the UK is due to young people going out, enjoying themselves and failing to observe the basic Covid rules. Many of them are asymptomatic but some still get sick and some still die. 

 

 

You need to check your figures for under 25s dying, the only one's have had serious underlying conditions. I've been going to pubs since they reopened here and no one takes any notice of the social distancing guidelines, all age groups too, no spike in cases. 91% of the UK have had no cases for over a month, certain ethnicites in certain areas have had spikes and in food processing places.

 

The chances of catching it is 44 out of 1 million, I would say those are pretty good odds, better than West Brom winning the PL for sure.

[Tropicalevo]

Simple politics.

Tit for Tat.

When Thailand put the UK on their safe list, the UK will put Thailand on the UK one.

[tribalfusion001]

13 minutes ago, polpott said:

Asymptomatic people do transmit the disease. Your second paragraph is just nonsense.

It depends on the viral load, if you have a low viral load you will only pass on a low viral load, hence why hospital admissions are not rocketing. You really need to live in a bunker, the stats are quite clear now, you are highly unlikely to die of covid-19 unless you multiple underlying medical conditions.

Edited September 3, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

You need to check your figures for under 25s dying, the only one's have had serious underlying conditions. I've been going to pubs since they reopened here and no one takes any notice of the social distancing guidelines, all age groups too, no spike in cases. 91% of the UK have had no cases for over a month, certain ethnicites in certain areas have had spikes and in food processing places.

 

The chances of catching it is 44 out of 1 million, I would say those are pretty good odds, better than West Brom winning the PL for sure.

The under 25s take it home with them and infect their parents/grandparents.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It depends on the viral load, if you have a low viral load you will only pass on a low viral load, hence why hospital admissions are not rocketing. You really need to live in a bunker, the stats are quite clear now, you are highly unlikely to die of covid-19 unless you multiple underlying medical conditions.

I don't need to live in a bunker, I live in Thailand, much safer than the UK.

[FarFlungFalang]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

I don't need to live in a bunker, I live in Thailand, much safer than the UK.

Not if you go near a road it's not.The UK is safer from Dengue and malaria.

Edited September 3, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[joecoolfrog]

7 hours ago, Yinn said:

Yes, I insult their intelligence. Low intelligence.

Because last 8 months they argue everyday about wear the mask, social distance, ban the alcohol, close the pub, refuse the tracing app, close the tourism, etc etc etc. 

oppose everything the doctor say. Everything.

Lefty and hard right nonsense. 

shake everyone hand in covid hospital, use the bleach, malaria drug, April will disappear, anti vaxxers, etc etc 

Riots, protest, looting, shooting. 

Stupid conspiracys everyday. Unbelievable. 

Close the economy, loose the business, job but wear mask is to difficult. 

Loons

 

The solution is simple..

 

 

Aside from the gibberish you write , the fact that you switch from perfect English to Thaiglish pidgin, now convinces me you are either a troll , or the front for another troll.

Either way your posts are completely without merit , much like Thailands covid numbers !

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, polpott said:

The under 25s take it home with them and infect their parents/grandparents.

That old chestnut, the scare stories don't wash anymore. People of all age groups are mixing here, the ICUs are not filling up. It's a just a con now, governments covering their own bums just in case.

[Max69xl]

8 hours ago, Deserted said:

When did they last update their website? Are there recent examples of people returning from Thailand and not being asked to quarantine?

If not on the list of approved countries then the quarantine is non-negotiable. 

[tribalfusion001]

9 minutes ago, polpott said:

I don't need to live in a bunker, I live in Thailand, much safer than the UK.

Local transmission today, it's all a myth, you have been conned 555. It's safer in the UK on the road for sure.

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

As usual the anti government brigade are trying to push a question mark over numbers as a reason.

It has nothing to do with numbers but politically motivated. The UK has had it's nose pushed out of joint over Hong Kong and is taking a swipe at the Thai government over their relationship with China.

 

Almost as barmy as your claims that lack of international tourism wouldn't bother Thailand.

[leicesterguyuk]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

You need to check your figures for under 25s dying, the only one's have had serious underlying conditions. I've been going to pubs since they reopened here and no one takes any notice of the social distancing guidelines, all age groups too, no spike in cases. 91% of the UK have had no cases for over a month, certain ethnicites in certain areas have had spikes and in food processing places.

 

The chances of catching it is 44 out of 1 million, I would say those are pretty good odds, better than West Brom winning the PL for sure.

That's 44 in 1 million per day. So in a year that's 16,060 in 1 million. 1 in 62. Still relatively low but a lot higher than the article leads reader to believe. 

[tribalfusion001]

11 minutes ago, leicesterguyuk said:

That's 44 in 1 million per day. So in a year that's 16,060 in 1 million. 1 in 62. Still relatively low but a lot higher than the article leads reader to believe. 

And 1 in 100 of dying, seeing as less than 1500 have died in the UK without multiple underlying conditions the odds are stacked against being seriously ill.

[LarryLEB]

According to Worldometer, Thailand ranks 154th!! in the world for testing for Covid on a per capita basis.  (154th out of the 196 countries or territories that have done tests.)  Worldometer states that Thailand has tested only 749,213 people which translates to only 10,729 people per million population.  

 

Crystal clear why other countries don't want Thailand on any kind of "green list."

[leicesterguyuk]

15 minutes ago, LarryLEB said:

According to Worldometer, Thailand ranks 154th!! in the world for testing for Covid on a per capita basis.  (154th out of the 196 countries or territories that have done tests.)  Worldometer states that Thailand has tested only 749,213 people which translates to only 10,729 people per million population.  

 

Crystal clear why other countries don't want Thailand on any kind of "green list."

To be honest, I expect that total tests carried out figure for Thailand is falsified. 

[SteveB2]

The are some glaringly obvious observations...

 

1. Thailand is not carrying out mass testing and so the numbers of people found COVID-19 positive will be very small.

2. Once people are hospitalized with COVID-19 symptoms then they are tested and the causes of death can be easily established.

3. Likely there have been some people die of COVID-19 in the villages but there has been no news of tens of thousands of people dying in this manner - it would be difficult to hide

 

Conclusions.

1. The number of people found to be COVID-19 positive in Thailand is a completely meaningless statistic

2. The numbers of deaths caused by COVID-19 when the patient dies in hospital are likely OK

 

Comments

The world’s fixation with the numbers of people found to be COVID-19 positive when no broad based testing of the population has been carried out is laughable.

We should now be looking at the numbers of weekly fatalities caused by COVID.

 

If we correctly look at the number of weekly fatalities instead of infections, we discover that in many countries, the COVID-19 Pandemic ended many months ago - and that includes Thailand and the UK. Check the figures out for yourself.

 

Ref: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

 

 

[elliss]

9 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

You only have to look at who's been telling ya there ain't no covid here a bunch of masquerading generals that's who  ????

 

Aka , democracy .

  Thai style ..

 

[johnray]

I agree with the UK.  Thailand should not be on the safe list.

[phetchy]

1 hour ago, LarryLEB said:

According to Worldometer, Thailand ranks 154th!! in the world for testing for Covid on a per capita basis.  (154th out of the 196 countries or territories that have done tests.)  Worldometer states that Thailand has tested only 749,213 people which translates to only 10,729 people per million population.  

 

Crystal clear why other countries don't want Thailand on any kind of "green list."

It's 121st.  Not that it makes a blind bit of difference to a table of totally disparate figures.

 

[leicesterguyuk]

49 minutes ago, johnray said:

I agree with the UK.  Thailand should not be on the safe list.

I'm surprised Singapore isn't on the safe list... 

[tribalfusion001]

1 hour ago, SteveB2 said:

The are some glaringly obvious observations...

 

1. Thailand is not carrying out mass testing and so the numbers of people found COVID-19 positive will be very small.

2. Once people are hospitalized with COVID-19 symptoms then they are tested and the causes of death can be easily established.

3. Likely there have been some people die of COVID-19 in the villages but there has been no news of tens of thousands of people dying in this manner - it would be difficult to hide

 

Conclusions.

1. The number of people found to be COVID-19 positive in Thailand is a completely meaningless statistic

2. The numbers of deaths caused by COVID-19 when the patient dies in hospital are likely OK

 

Comments

The world’s fixation with the numbers of people found to be COVID-19 positive when no broad based testing of the population has been carried out is laughable.

We should now be looking at the numbers of weekly fatalities caused by COVID.

 

If we correctly look at the number of weekly fatalities instead of infections, we discover that in many countries, the COVID-19 Pandemic ended many months ago - and that includes Thailand and the UK. Check the figures out for yourself.

 

Ref: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

 

 

You don't need bodies pilling up, most European countries are not seeing large amounts of deaths anymore. It's about being honest with the problem and testing people.

 

I agree it ended months ago in many countries inc the UK.