Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[polpott]

1 minute ago, TheFishman1 said:

Well at least he has a plan not like trump who is turn the US into bizarre world Trump has no plan for Health Care even though he’s promised it from day one he had no plan for the virus he just thinks of himself does not protect United States citizens or the country

Trump does have a viable plan For Covid (Chainea flu, as he calls it). One day it will just go away, poof, its gone. Sounds good to me.

[Scott]

Inflammatory troll post reported and removed.  

 

[blazes]

Fear not, Boris.  The coast is clear for at least four years.

 

A putative President Biden will have forgotten all about the Irish thingy by the time he's installed.  Ireland?  wossthat?

[JonnyF]

The Democrats think they're going to win because the vocal minority on Twitter say so. How cute. ????

 

Biden will lose so his comments are irrelevant.

[nakornpingpong]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The Democrats think they're going to win because the vocal minority on Twitter say so. How cute. ????

 

Biden will lose so his comments are irrelevant.

The only "evidence" you offer is from the future. Did you design that crystal ball yourself?

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Nout said:

Its not uncommon for such laws to be changed. The Germans have done it twice recently.

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[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

Point is that the Democrats do not hold the congress. It’s not hard. 

The point is there will be no trade deal without the Democrats agreeing to a trade deal.

 

It won’t even be a possibility without Democrats putting it into motion. 

 

Both Biden and Pelosi have given notice to the fact.

[SomchaiCNX]

Politicians worldwide are a little like criminals elected in office. Leave the UK alone they will survive.

The worst bullies are also the permanent members of the UN.

[JonnyF]

47 minutes ago, nakornpingpong said:

The only "evidence" you offer is from the future. Did you design that crystal ball yourself?

History is an excellent predictor of the future. All we need is some kind of "basket of deplorables" moment and the deal will be sealed.

 

The loudmouth leftists will be defeated by the silent majority once again.

[Eric Loh]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

We can't allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit," Biden said in a tweet.

All honest decent man should honour agreements except that current White House occupant.   

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, steve187 said:

he hasn't been elected yet, but butting his nose into another countries business

Irrelevant, same message from both sides.

In 2015 David Cameron was warned by Amnesty International that brexit was incompatible with the Belfast Agreement but his arrogance saw only one outcome so the warning was brushed aside and has now become the most single controversial issue.

Reunification is becoming more of a reality as time goes by but not something the UK government could ever admit to. After all, with a reunited Ireland there would be little impediment to a US deal or even the EU.

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

History is an excellent predictor of the future. All we need is some kind of "basket of deplorables" moment and the deal will be sealed.

 

The loudmouth leftists will be defeated by the silent majority once again.

 

What "silent majority"? Or for that matter, what majority? Trump did not win the majority of votes in 2016, the Democratic Party got the majority in the House of Representatives following the 2018 elections. Even if Trump wins it's unlikely to be through the majority of voters supporting him, but rather due to the way USA election system works.

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, steve187 said:

he hasn't been elected yet, but butting his nose into another countries business

 

Well, he was used to acting like that with Obama. He tried to blatantly interfere in the Brexit referendum and influence the vote.

 

Seems he interfered somewhat in Ukraine too!

[Opl]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

History is an excellent predictor of the future. All we need is some kind of "basket of deplorables" moment and the deal will be sealed.

 

The loudmouth leftists will be defeated by the silent majority once again.

it's "disgusting"

[4737 Carlin]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Biden, who has talked about the importance of his Irish heritage

????????????

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

What "silent majority"? Or for that matter, what majority? Trump did not win the majority of votes in 2016, the Democratic Party got the majority in the House of Representatives following the 2018 elections. Even if Trump wins it's unlikely to be through the majority of voters supporting him, but rather due to the way USA election system works.

 

Interesting point. If the system was purely who got the most votes, 2 or 3 states might effectively decide who was President which the other 47/8 might not want. As it is, winning the popular vote is not a guarantee of winning.

 

How that is changed, if it is, remains to be seen.

 

Are we on the cusp of a change of world leader / policeman? A US break up? A more central Federal government state? 

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

All honest decent man should honour agreements except that current White House occupant.   

 

Do you appreciate the huge irony in your post?

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Interesting point. If the system was purely who got the most votes, 2 or 3 states might effectively decide who was President which the other 47/8 might not want. As it is, winning the popular vote is not a guarantee of winning.

 

How that is changed, if it is, remains to be seen.

 

Are we on the cusp of a change of world leader / policeman? A US break up? A more central Federal government state? 

 

I don't argue the fault or merits of the USA's Presidential election system. It is what it is. My comment was with regard to the claim (often raised ones) regarding Trump having or representing the majority of voters. That's quite evidently not the case, if the last two major elections are referred to.

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexit Britain’s debut onto the world stage preceded by a self harming disregard for international law and a reminder that the ‘special relationship’ is a figment of British imagination. 

 

Meanwhile the EU marches on to becoming a federal state, governed by non elected bureaucrats and rubber stamp parliaments. 

 

Just the sort of central state controlled society so loved by the left, socialists, democrats et al.

 

In the meantime it continues as a non entity, simply brushed over by China, Russia, Turkey etc who don't take it seriously.

 

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Meanwhile the EU marches on to becoming a federal state, governed by non elected bureaucrats and rubber stamp parliaments. 

 

Just the sort of central state controlled society so loved by the left, socialists, democrats et al.

 

In the meantime it continues as a non entity, simply brushed over by China, Russia, Turkey etc who don't take it seriously.

 

 

 

Disregarding the lame attempt to lump together "the left, socialists, democrats" - if one looks at the history of mankind, there's a pretty obvious tendency for people to organize themselves in ever larger groups. Sure, there are opposite instances, reactionary forces and whatnot. But the overall drive is there.

 

I think that for the EU to survive and/or be relevant, greater level of unity is key. This is not necessarily going to be easy or popular, but it is the way forward.

 

As for brushed aside - do European countries stand to fare better on their own in this regard? Kinda doubt that.

[earlinclaifornia]

11 hours ago, nakornpingpong said:

The thing is, trade is already very free between the UK and the USA. Tariffs are low and there aren't a lot of obstacles. That's why the UK government itself predicts not much benefit from a trade deal between the 2 nations.

U.S. imports from United Kingdom account for 2.4% of overall U.S. imports in 2018. The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2018 were: vehicles ($11 billion), machinery ($9.3 billion), special other (returns) ($5.3 billion), pharmaceuticals ($5.0 billion), and mineral fuels ($4.3 billion).

[John Drake]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Biden, who has talked about the importance of his Irish heritage, retweeted a letter from Eliot Engel, chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives, to Johnson calling on the British leader to honour the 1998 Good Friday peace deal.

Eliot Engel, who will soon be out of Congress and is of no influence whatsoever after being demolished in the Democratic primary by a radical BLMer. 

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, simple1 said:

Exactly, goes to show the nonsense of Brexit claims of sovereignty - no country can be an island unto itself.

Brexit sovereignty has been a farce from the start, they claimed the main reason to quit EU was to be gain control of their decisions yet Scotland wants to quit the UK to be self governed/sovereign but the UK doesn't allow that...

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

I don't argue the fault or merits of the USA's Presidential election system. It is what it is. My comment was with regard to the claim (often raised ones) regarding Trump having or representing the majority of voters. That's quite evidently not the case, if the last two major elections are referred to.

Voting numbers are vastly distorted, mainly because of the primary system of the most populous state. California, effectively, is a one party state, where the opposition party does not even appear on the general election ballot for many state offices and congressional districts. If you vote Republican, Libertarian, or what have you, then you not only have no motivation to vote in the presidential election but also no motivation to vote in the down ballot elections. By the time the general election comes around not only does your vote "not count," it can't be counted if you want someone other than the people appearing on the one party primary ticket. Even write-ins are not allowed. Thus in 2016, voters in the general election had the choice between Kemala Harris and Loretta Sanchez, both Democrats, for US Senator. Seven US House seats were a choice between a Democrat and another Democrat. And 13 state senate and assemblymember races were between a Democrat and a Democrat. Voter turnout is diminished if you know your vote will have no impact on the final result, which was the case already with many Trump voters. How much more is voter turnout reduced when you know that you cannot even cast a protest vote against the party of your US Senator, congressman, state senator, or state assemblymember?

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Voting numbers are vastly distorted, mainly because of the primary system of the most populous state. California, effectively, is a one party state, where the opposition party does not even appear on the general election ballot for many state offices and congressional districts. If you vote Republican, Libertarian, or what have you, then you not only have no motivation to vote in the presidential election but also no motivation to vote in the down ballot elections. By the time the general election comes around not only does your vote "not count," it can't be counted if you want someone other than the people appearing on the one party primary ticket. Even write-ins are not allowed. Thus in 2016, voters in the general election had the choice between Kemala Harris and Loretta Sanchez, both Democrats, for US Senator. Seven US House seats were a choice between a Democrat and another Democrat. And 13 state senate and assemblymember races were between a Democrat and a Democrat. Voter turnout is diminished if you know your vote will have no impact on the final result, which was the case already with many Trump voters. How much more is voter turnout reduced when you know that you cannot even cast a protest vote against the party of your US Senator, congressman, state senator, or state assemblymember?

 

Yeah, the point made was that nationwide, the Democratic Party was more popular. Somehow you make that sound grossly unfair. If the Republican Party is in such a shape that it can't field realistic winners in some key states, maybe it ought to shape up. Granted, it's much easier to accuse the Democrats being responsible for such failures.

[ballpoint]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

All honest decent man should honour agreements except that current White House occupant. 

But the current White House occupant is not an honest decent man, so the exception doesn't exist.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Brexit sovereignty has been a farce from the start, they claimed the main reason to quit EU was to be gain control of their decisions yet Scotland wants to quit the UK to be self governed/sovereign but the UK doesn't allow that...

 

 

 

My point was Brexit people were whining about impositions / pressures from the EU. Now we see the same type of exercise from the US, but with the UK in a weaker position; there will be other instances. e.g. UK - Japan FTA.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/edb7d155-56b4-4065-9f83-31b2247fa178

Edited September 18, 2020 by simple1

[PETERTHEEATER]

19 hours ago, simple1 said:

Exactly, goes to show the nonsense of Brexit claims of sovereignty - no country can be an island unto itself.

Noman is an island.

[dunroaming]

20 hours ago, steve187 said:

he hasn't been elected yet, but butting his nose into another countries business

Glad you said elected yet.   At least you can recognise that he will be elected and that he will then dictate what the USA will accept or reject.  That is just weeks away.  But again that is an aside as congress decides on these things and they are overwhelmingly democrats.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

If the system was purely who got the most votes, 2 or 3 states might effectively decide who was President which the other 47/8 might not want.

No. It would mean that everyone has one vote that counts the same, regardless of where one lives. Because it’s people who have a vote, not states.