EU, UK to step up Brexit talks to try to close 'significant gaps' over trade deal

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Remind: UK citizens in the EU will be treated as EU citizens in the UK.

Curious how this might work out....

simple,the eu start getting lairy with british in the eu,we,ll return the compliment to eu citizens resident in the U.K..

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

But more to the point they are British civil servants, not foreigners. We can hire 'em and fire 'em as necessary. We have lived with our own British unelected for many years. Perhaps some of them will not be here for very many more years when the Lords is sorted out by Boris.

 

Most importantly - we won't have the foreign unelected faceless foreigners ruling us from Brussels anymore.

So its not because they are faceless and unelected its because they are foreigners? 

Think that tells us all we need to know. 

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

So its not because they are faceless and unelected its because they are foreigners? 

Think that tells us all we need to know. 

Yes, imagine objecting to being ruled by foreigners. How ridiculous.

 

Sounds just like the SNP's one and only policy. ????

 

 

[billd766]

14 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I think that perhaps a glance at a map might persuade you that a ferry journey from Rosslare to Cherbourg or Roscoff takes about 18 hours or so. From Belfast or Dublin is going to be at least 24 hours at sea. The crossing is exposed to the vagaries of the Atlantic / Western Approaches weather which could dramatically increase the journey times. Roscoff (and Cherbourg only marginally less so) are about as far in France as you can get from the rest of the EU. 

 

I suspect that the logistics of driving through the UK with two short sea crossings, and ending up in the Pas de Calais or Belgium  will prove a more attractive prospect.

I just did a Google Earth search and it looks like there is only one commercial pier available for one Ro/Ro ship at a time to unload/load and turn the ship around. I have no idea how many ships per day they are expecting but 6 ships per day is about all they handle at present per 24 hour period.

 

Cherbourg looks as though it can handle twice as many but it is already used by Brittany Ferries and Stena line. It already has routes to Dubli, Rosslare, Poole and Portsmouth.

 

Cherbourg is OK for western France and Roscoff is OK for Spain and Portugal.

Edited October 5, 2020 by billd766
Bad spelling

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, david555 said:

But also a reason is that he has bigger problem by his own voters now ….than only Brexit and need some time-out   ????Hence the 30 days extra are welcome to him ...

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/04/conservatives-turn-on-boris-johnson-over-handling-of-uks-covid-19-crisis

Michael Savage
Sun 4 Oct 2020 06.01 BST

 

Conservatives turn on Boris Johnson over handling of UK’s Covid-19 crisis

 

As virtual party conference gets under way, Tories rebel on both wings and PM’s popularity plunges to a record low

Boris Johnson’s reputation among Conservative members has plunged to a record low, it has emerged, as the party enters its annual conference facing accusations of a “chumocracy” at the top of government.

With Tory MPs restless over the government’s performance, which has seen it lose a huge poll lead over Labour since the start of the pandemic, the prime minister has recorded his first ever negative satisfaction rating among a survey of Tory members on the ConservativeHome website. He recorded the second-lowest score of any cabinet member, with only education secretary Gavin Williamson performing worse.

The prime minister will attempt to use the virtual party conference this week to try to relaunch his premiership by looking to the programme he wants to pursue beyond the Covid crisis, which has dominated his time in Downing Street.

 

 

more...

if they remove that Cummings "crony" all goes back to normal.... hopefully 555

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yes, imagine objecting to being ruled by foreigners. How ridiculous.

 

Sounds just like the SNP's one and only policy. ????

 

 

You didnt think that through did you?

Scotland objects to being ruled by foreigners so wants to leave the UK but we also want to rejoin the EU so we can be ruled by foreigners?

 

 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yes, imagine objecting to being ruled by foreigners. How ridiculous.

 

Sounds just like the SNP's one and only policy. ????

 

 

not ok for Uk to be "ruled" by the EU but it's fair and ok for Scotland to be "ruled" by the UK.... funny,  very funny

[transam]

50 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if they remove that Cummings "crony" all goes back to normal.... hopefully 555

Normal what....?

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You didnt think that through did you?

Scotland objects to being ruled by foreigners so wants to leave the UK but we also want to rejoin the EU so we can be ruled by foreigners?

 

 

Allow me to correct you. It's the SNP that wants to leave the UK. Scotland voted to Remain in 2014.

 

The SNP's desire to subsequently join the EU is easily explained. They lack the balls to go it alone and since their hatred of the English is greater than their hatred of the French/Germans, they plan to go and hide under the EU's skirt.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

not ok for Uk to be "ruled" by the EU but it's fair and ok for Scotland to be "ruled" by the UK.... funny,  very funny

Actually, it's Democratic, very Democratic.

 

The UK voted to leave in 2016. Scotland voted to Remain in 2014. That's true democracy in action. Sorry if you're in the minority but that's the way the Democratic cookie crumbles.

[transam]

11 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

not ok for Uk to be "ruled" by the EU but it's fair and ok for Scotland to be "ruled" by the UK.... funny,  very funny

Yes, your post is a very funny post, it makes no sense....? ????

[david555]

11 hours ago, kingdong said:

simple,the eu start getting lairy with british in the eu,we,ll return the compliment to eu citizens resident in the U.K..

Fair enough????….., let see who get troubled most out of that ???? 

 

Scots ...keep your red passports if possible… but anyway you have your "local language tone " to identify to who E.U. has  to be lenient to   ????

Edited October 5, 2020 by david555

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Fair enough????….., let see who get troubled most out of that ???? 

 

Scots ...keep your red passports if possible… but anyway you have your "local language tone " to identify to who to be lenient to by E.U. ????

Blimey, that reads like something from the 1940's................????................????

[david555]

Just now, transam said:

Blimey, that reads like something from the 1940's................????................????

So you must sure understand that.....????????

[Rookiescot]

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Allow me to correct you. It's the SNP that wants to leave the UK. Scotland voted to Remain in 2014.

 

The SNP's desire to subsequently join the EU is easily explained. They lack the balls to go it alone and since their hatred of the English is greater than their hatred of the French/Germans, they plan to go and hide under the EU's skirt.

Polls show a clear majority for independence.

We voted to remain in the EU.

So our hatred of the English is greater than our hatred of the French and Germans? If we hated people we would want to go it alone and not join the EU. What if we dont actually hate anyone. It makes more sense does it not?

This hatred you see is simply you projecting your own opinions and feelings onto others. 

[Rookiescot]

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Actually, it's Democratic, very Democratic.

 

The UK voted to leave in 2016. Scotland voted to Remain in 2014. That's true democracy in action. Sorry if you're in the minority but that's the way the Democratic cookie crumbles.

So your version of democracy does not allow people to change their minds or vote again? Ever.

And before you start with your once in a generation nonsense it was a throwaway line given during an interview. It was the opinion of one person and was the full quote is "Possibly a once in a generation event".

No-where in the legislation did it state it was a once in a generation event. What is a generation anyway.

And if the phrase is deemed to be written in tablets of stone why is Johnson not dead in a ditch? 

[JonnyF]

33 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Polls show a clear majority for independence.

We voted to remain in the EU.

So our hatred of the English is greater than our hatred of the French and Germans? If we hated people we would want to go it alone and not join the EU. What if we dont actually hate anyone. It makes more sense does it not?

This hatred you see is simply you projecting your own opinions and feelings onto others. 

Polls said we'd vote Remain in 2016.

 

Polls said Labour would win the General Election. 

 

The UK voted to Leave the EU. It was a UK wide vote, not a Scottish one.

 

If you wanted Independence you wouldn't swap being 1 of 4 for 1 of 28. It makes no sense. I always judge people by their actions not their words.

 

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So your version of democracy does not allow people to change their minds or vote again? Ever.

And before you start with your once in a generation nonsense it was a throwaway line given during an interview. It was the opinion of one person and was the full quote is "Possibly a once in a generation event".

No-where in the legislation did it state it was a once in a generation event. What is a generation anyway.

And if the phrase is deemed to be written in tablets of stone why is Johnson not dead in a ditch? 

Democracy doesn't mean re-running referendums until you finally win one. 

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Polls said we'd vote Remain in 2016.

 

Polls said Labour would win the General Election. 

 

The UK voted to Leave the EU. It was a UK wide vote, not a Scottish one.

 

If you wanted Independence you wouldn't swap being 1 of 4 for 1 of 28. It makes no sense. I always judge people by their actions not their words.

 

What are you trying to say?

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

What are you trying to say?

Polls said we'd vote Remain in 2016.

 

Polls said Labour would win the General Election. 

 

The UK voted to Leave the EU. It was a UK wide vote, not a Scottish one.

 

If you wanted Independence you wouldn't swap being 1 of 4 for 1 of 28. It makes no sense. I always judge people by their actions not their words.

[Rookiescot]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Democracy doesn't mean re-running referendums until you finally win one. 

Democracy does not mean that there can be no other referendums. That is utterly not democratic.

Polls show a majority in Scotland want independence. Circa 55% in favour and 45% to stay in the union.

The only reason we are being held in this union is because Westminster refuses to allow another referendum. 

How democratic is that?

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Polls said we'd vote Remain in 2016.

 

Polls said Labour would win the General Election. 

 

The UK voted to Leave the EU. It was a UK wide vote, not a Scottish one.

 

If you wanted Independence you wouldn't swap being 1 of 4 for 1 of 28. It makes no sense. I always judge people by their actions not their words.

Just word salad. 

[JonnyF]

48 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Democracy does not mean that there can be no other referendums. That is utterly not democratic.

Polls show a majority in Scotland want independence. Circa 55% in favour and 45% to stay in the union.

The only reason we are being held in this union is because Westminster refuses to allow another referendum. 

How democratic is that?

Polls are notoriously inaccurate based on who conducts them.

 

It doesn't mean there can never be another one. But you can't have them every 5 minutes either.

 

Since it was widely accepted that this was a once in a generation vote, I'd say around 2034 would be reasonable. Don't worry, it'll fly by.

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So its not because they are faceless and unelected its because they are foreigners? 

Think that tells us all we need to know. 

Of course it is the most important factor, along with their facelessness and being unelected. I would have though that was obvious to all?

You may be happy to be subjugated to Johnny Foreigner in another country but not I.

Anything else you need to know?

[sandyf]

On 10/4/2020 at 9:40 AM, petermik said:

Britain is one t not two....and we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected EU bureaucrats that,s for sure

Only the unelected faceless in No 10.

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Only the unelected faceless in No 10.

Nothing unelected or faceless about Boris. He's British too.

[sandyf]

On 10/4/2020 at 9:59 AM, luckyluke said:

Fair is a relative concept. 

Quite, one has a domestic market of 66 million and the other 450 million.

[sandyf]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Nothing unelected or faceless about Boris. He's British too.

What on earth makes you think he does the ruling?

Reminder - "we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected "

Edited October 5, 2020 by sandyf

[Loiner]

18 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What on earth makes you think he does the ruling?

Reminder - "we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected "

The who sir?

[sandyf]

12 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The who sir?

The whole argument is flawed, the EU commission is ratified by the EU parliament.

Remind me who ratified the special advisers in No 10.