'Don’t be afraid' of virus, Trump says as he prepares to leave hospital

[sucit]

I wonder if these medical bills are public record. This has got to be quite a high amount on the treatment. I wonder if I would get the same treatment visiting my local clinic. 

[Rambo69]

1 minute ago, sucit said:

I wonder if these medical bills are public record. This has got to be quite a high amount on the treatment. I wonder if I would get the same treatment visiting my local clinic. 

You can get the same treatment. If you pay for it. Why should anything be for "free". Doctors don't work for "free". Trump already did allot to open the US market for generic drugs and lower the costs of drugs significantly. I expect the costs of the Remdesivir treatment to go down from $3.5K to maybe a few hundred USD$ thanks to Trump

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Does it matter what the rest of the world think? Have you seen the crowds he attracts at campaign rallies. He's more popular than you think, but the Democrats are making it hard for people to come out and admit they like him.

You really got to come to grips with reality. 
So sad you still living in your fantasy. 
 

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/world/trump-holds-rally-but-crowd-disappoints-733850

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-furious-underwhelming-crowd-tulsa-rally-n1231674

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

44 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

You can get the same treatment. If you pay for it.

 

Re the Regeneron treatment, no, you can't:

 

"Fewer than 10 compassionate-use requests have been granted for Regeneron’s experimental antibody cocktail, which the president took Friday, according to the company spokesperson Alexandra Bowie. The president was, presumably, one of those 10 people. “He would never have gotten access to the monoclonal antibodies if he weren’t the president,” says Rose McDermott, an international-relations professor at Brown University who has studied presidential illness."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/president-trump-health-insurance-covid/616627/

 

[simple1]

52 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

You can get the same treatment. If you pay for it. Why should anything be for "free". Doctors don't work for "free". Trump already did allot to open the US market for generic drugs and lower the costs of drugs significantly. I expect the costs of the Remdesivir treatment to go down from $3.5K to maybe a few hundred USD$ thanks to Trump

 

Do trump supporters ever check reality against their and trump's claims? trump's proposals have so far mainly failed to deliver; there are many articles covering the issue, a few of many easily available:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-administration-botched-a-deal-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

 

https://khn.org/news/president-trump-once-again-claims-hes-bringing-down-drug-prices-but-details-of-how-are-skimpy/

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-31/trump-prescriptions-prices

 

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by simple1

[Rambo69]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Re the Regeneron treatment, no, you can't:

 

"Fewer than 10 compassionate-use requests have been granted for Regeneron’s experimental antibody cocktail, which the president took Friday, according to the company spokesperson Alexandra Bowie. The president was, presumably, one of those 10 people. “He would never have gotten access to the monoclonal antibodies if he weren’t the president,” says Rose McDermott, an international-relations professor at Brown University who has studied presidential illness."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/president-trump-health-insurance-covid/616627/

 

So what's your point. You want the same privileges as the President of the US, are you some kind of "Socialist". And do you think Biden would not get the same treatment if he was President?  Are you aware the HCQ treatment only costed a couple of dollars before it was banned by the same people who are attacking the President?

 

Edit, The key word here is "experimental". The president is risking his life to test this medicine for you

Edited October 7, 2020 by Rambo69

[Rambo69]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Do trump supporters ever check reality against their and trump's claims? trump's proposals have so far failed to deliver; there are many articles covering the issue, a few of many easily available....

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-administration-botched-a-deal-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

 

https://khn.org/news/president-trump-once-again-claims-hes-bringing-down-drug-prices-but-details-of-how-are-skimpy/

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-31/trump-prescriptions-prices

 

 

nay sayers

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-drugprices-idUSKCN24P2JA

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-lowers-drug-prices

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/06/12/how-president-trump-is-lowering-prescription-drug-prices/

Edited October 7, 2020 by Rambo69

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

So what's your point. You want the same privileges as the President of the US, are you some kind of "Socialist". And do you think Biden would not get the same treatment if he was President?  Are you aware the HCQ treatment only costed a couple of dollars before it was banned by the same people who are attacking the President?

 

Edit, The key word here is "experimental". The president is risking his life to test this medicine for you

The point is you make incorrect claims, and when called out come with more incorrect information and what you consider a personal attack. And no, he is not risking his life for otgers.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

So what's your point.

 The same I made above. You were simply and flatly wrong in your prior comment where you claimed:

 

Quote

You can get the same treatment. If you pay for it.

 

As the comment above from the Regeneron company spokeswoman illustrates, no, you and I and other members of the public can't.

 

I did NOT comment on the related issue of the merits of the president, any president, being given an experimental medicine that's not available to the general public.

Edited October 7, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The point is you make incorrect claims, and when called out come with more incorrect information and what you consider a personal attack. And no, he is not risking his life for otgers.

He is taking any opportunity offered to him, also at no cost, and he will be part of a trial, he is doing this only for himself and his self preservation, (as we probably all would, given the chance) there is nothing humanitarian in his accepting "trial" treatment".

He is a survivalist narcissist 

Edited October 7, 2020 by RJRS1301

[Rambo69]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The point is you make incorrect claims, and when called out come with more incorrect information and what you consider a personal attack. And no, he is not risking his life for otgers.

Taking an "experimental drug" is a risk

[Rambo69]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 The same I made above. You were simply and flatly wrong in your prior comment where you claimed:

 

 

As the comment above from the Regeneron company spokeswoman illustrates, no, you and I and other members of the public can't.

 

 

I'm pretty sure the worlds elites can. But I asked "what's your point" and you dodged that question. So let me answer it for you. You think you should have the same rights and privileges as the President of the US. If you think the Dems or anyone else will ever grant you your wishes I have some ocean view real estate for sale on Mars

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

I'm pretty sure the worlds elites can. But I asked "what's your point" and you dodged that question. So let me answer it for you. You think you should have the same rights and privileges as the President of the US. If you think the Dems or anyone else will ever grant you your wishes I have some ocean view real estate for sale on Mars

 

Quote

I did NOT comment on the related issue of the merits of the president, any president, being given an experimental medicine that's not available to the general public.

 

[simple1]

25 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

nay sayers

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-drugprices-idUSKCN24P2JA

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-lowers-drug-prices

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/06/12/how-president-trump-is-lowering-prescription-drug-prices/

 

I've already provided the links to fact check versus claims.

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post (incomprehensible)

[GroveHillWanderer]

23 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

You think you should have the same rights and privileges as the President of the US. If you think the Dems or anyone else will ever grant you your wishes I have some ocean view real estate for sale on Mars

In not a US citizen but if I were, then when it comes to medical care I would say that yes, any US citizen, under a just and equitable health care system should have access to the same health care facilities and treatments as the President.

 

And the Democrats could quite conceivably offer that if they set up a 'single payer' health system such as many countries around the world have. Under these systems, everyone would get the same treatment and medicines as even a leading politician. For instance Boris Johnson was treated in a regular, NHS hospital for CoVid-19 and did not receive any different treatments to what any other citizen would have.

[FarangULong]

9 hours ago, J Town said:

I quote scientists, you quote loons. Not opinions, science based facts. You know, the things 45 supporters deny, ignore, lie about, deflect or obfuscate.

If you honestly believe, that scientists do not have their very own biases and agendas, I don't know what to tell you.

This is true for EVERY field, and while they should be held to a higher standard, they often go for the same pitfalls as all the rest of us.

 

Remember the scientist, who predicted 2+ million deaths in the first year or so alone (just in the US)? Some are nay-sayers to their very core, some do it out of a personal dislike, others just have very strong confirmation bias, and just ignore everything, that doesn't fit the narrative they have constructed for themseves.

 

There are most likely other scientists out there, who will say the opposite. And if you want to criticize Trump for ANYTHING Corona related, where is that same criticism (or worse criticism) regarding Biden? Do you need to me to fish out everything Biden has said, wishy-washy'd around on, etc? Or are you actually capable of doing it yourself? Not so sure, with some of you...

[El Matador]

For someone who only pays $750 in taxes, he can't complain too much about the healthcare services he's having right now.

 

We can't argue against the fact he knows how to make good deals.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, FarangULong said:

<snip>If you want to criticize Trump for ANYTHING Corona related, where is that same criticism (or worse criticism) regarding Biden? Do you need to me to fish out everything Biden has said, wishy-washy'd around on, etc? Or are you actually capable of doing it yourself? Not so sure, with some of you...

Who is president again?

[ChouDoufu]

10 minutes ago, FarangULong said:

....

 

There are most likely other scientists out there, who will say the opposite. And if you want to criticize Trump for ANYTHING Corona related, where is that same criticism (or worse criticism) regarding Biden? Do you need to me to fish out everything Biden has said, wishy-washy'd around on, etc? Or are you actually capable of doing it yourself? Not so sure, with some of you...

 

whatabout who?

 

trump is the president.  now.

coronavirus appeared during his term.

210,000 dead americans.  on his watch.

 

but biden what?

Edited October 7, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[pookondee]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Whether or not you are afraid of Covid is a personal choice. Personally, I am not. However, what people should really be afraid of is an infected person, who continues to behave like a fool. That makes him a dangerous man, which I have always considered him to be. Reckless and way too self important to take basic precautions. He has humiliated himself to no end, by denying the effects of the virus for months, then getting infected, and becoming a super spreader within the White House. 

 

No worries. He is gone, baby gone in a few months. Enough of his chaos and stupidity. 

I'm not a fan of Trump either,

but since im not American i don't really have any say in it.

 

The one and only thing i care about is getting the world back to some semblance of a normal life..

because this ain't it and what it is now aint worth living in!

 

Im probably selfish here, but getting international travel happening again and being re-united with my Thai life and Thai partner is my number 1 priority.

 

Biden is an old guy.

Hes obviously scared out of his wits with this bogeyman flu, and he seems confused a good deal of the time.

 

I think a vote for Biden is gonna see more lockdowns,

possibly a roll out of worse OTT restrictions, more laws squashing personal freedoms..

Basically, more fear and NO LIFE for the foreseeable future.

 

Its a choice between two duds really, but  

i think Trump has more show of getting things going again.

 

If Biden does win, most likely he will be to terrified to even step foot in Whitehouse with all the nasty traces of Covid,

it will be back in the basement for him.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Kelsall said:

President Trump is absolutely right in telling us to not be afraid.  The virus has a high transmissibility rate but a low mortality rate.

 

More than 200,000 dead, and a Trump sycophant still tries to spin things as 'nothing to see here'.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Rambo69 said:

You can get the same treatment. If you pay for it. Why should anything be for "free". Doctors don't work for "free". Trump already did allot to open the US market for generic drugs and lower the costs of drugs significantly. I expect the costs of the Remdesivir treatment to go down from $3.5K to maybe a few hundred USD$ thanks to Trump

 

Is this like some variation on the infamous 'let them eat cake'?

 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, Rambo69 said:

So what's your point. You want the same privileges as the President of the US, are you some kind of "Socialist". And do you think Biden would not get the same treatment if he was President?  Are you aware the HCQ treatment only costed a couple of dollars before it was banned by the same people who are attacking the President?

 

Edit, The key word here is "experimental". The president is risking his life to test this medicine for you

 

Trump did not 'risk his life to test medicine' for anyone but himself. Trying to spin this as altruism is beyond bizarre when referencing a President who managed to politicize mask wearing.

[ChouDoufu]

still waiting to hear when the president last tested negative.

was he, as we were led to believe, being tested daily?

if not, why not?  if so, release the records.

 

shirley that would be the easiest question in the world to answer!

why won't they tell us?

what are they trying to hide?

what are they afraid of?

aah, this must be 44DD chess to make libs heads explode.

 

could it be trump tested positive days before the debate?

could it be twas trump who infected the others at the judge nominee event?

y'know, he allegedly tested positive thursday evening......and gosh, he went downhill fast!  they sure rushed him to hospital quickly.  leads me to believe he was well into the infection by then.

[Maestro]

White House prepared for Trump to return to Oval Office

By Kevin Liptak, CNN

Updated 1436 GMT (2236 HKT) October 7, 2020

 

Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump's aides were preparing for him to return to the Oval Office on Wednesday, an eventuality one senior official seemed to believe was so inevitable he mistakenly claimed it already happened.

 

After Larry Kudlow, the director of the National Economic Council, said in an interview that Trump had been working from the Oval Office a day after returning from the hospital, the White House quickly clarified the President remained isolated in his residence.

 

But few seemed to think that would last much longer, even though he is carrying an active case of coronavirus.

 

Read full article: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/07/politics/trump-oval-office-coronavirus/index.html

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Rambo69 said:

nay sayers

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-drugprices-idUSKCN24P2JA

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-lowers-drug-prices

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/06/12/how-president-trump-is-lowering-prescription-drug-prices/

Three news sources stating that Trump has signed executive orders.  The orders have not been implemented and will be challenged in courts.

 

Got any news sources showing drug prices across the board are lower?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, FarangULong said:

If you honestly believe, that scientists do not have their very own biases and agendas, I don't know what to tell you.

This is true for EVERY field, and while they should be held to a higher standard, they often go for the same pitfalls as all the rest of us.

 

Remember the scientist, who predicted 2+ million deaths in the first year or so alone (just in the US)? Some are nay-sayers to their very core, some do it out of a personal dislike, others just have very strong confirmation bias, and just ignore everything, that doesn't fit the narrative they have constructed for themseves.

 

There are most likely other scientists out there, who will say the opposite. And if you want to criticize Trump for ANYTHING Corona related, where is that same criticism (or worse criticism) regarding Biden? Do you need to me to fish out everything Biden has said, wishy-washy'd around on, etc? Or are you actually capable of doing it yourself? Not so sure, with some of you...

I don't remember a scientist that gave an unqualified prediction of 2+ million deaths.  Please provide a source.

[candide]

7 hours ago, FarangULong said:

And if you want to criticize Trump for ANYTHING Corona related, where is that same criticism (or worse criticism) regarding Biden? Do you need to me to fish out everything Biden has said, wishy-washy'd around on, etc? Or are you actually capable of doing it yourself? Not so sure, with some of you...

Yes we do. Please come up with something precise and backed by quotes! And please not the blaming of the China travel ban he never said.

Edited October 7, 2020 by candide

[simple1]

10 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

In not a US citizen but if I were, then when it comes to medical care I would say that yes, any US citizen, under a just and equitable health care system should have access to the same health care facilities and treatments as the President.

 

And the Democrats could quite conceivably offer that if they set up a 'single payer' health system such as many countries around the world have. Under these systems, everyone would get the same treatment and medicines as even a leading politician. For instance Boris Johnson was treated in a regular, NHS hospital for CoVid-19 and did not receive any different treatments to what any other citizen would have.

Difference being a senior person in government would receive treatment/s currently not funded under universal healthcare arrangements. The 'average' tax payer would not be able to afford treatments not available for 'free'. Whilst Universal Health Care is usually very good in Western Countries, as per usual the privileged / wealthy do have access to a greater degree of care, health care is not equitable for all members of society.