40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they were really bad bills that were written by lobbyists and would never get signed by Trump so no point wasting time on them.

 

Perhaps you should back up your assertions with something solid rather than making up nonsense. That you wish to ignore obstructionism by the Republicans is one thing, that you wish to make wide brush denigrating claims about legislation offered without a shred of support on offer is another.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what? They could ban Antifa members posting on facebook.

 

How? Do such imaginary 'members' post their imaginary member card details on their profile?

conscience

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump has had control of the WH and the congress for several years now, so how has the election not been accepted?

Seriously?

Muller "investigation" that resulted in no indictment of the president

Impeachment when it was bound to fail in the senate.

etc

etc.

 

For some of Trump's supporters (and apparently, the President himself) there seems to be some confusion as to what's allowed in democracy. Opposing the winning side is legit. Using legal means to censure, probe and even depose of said side is legit as well.

 

I don't recall you having such issues with regard to the 'birther' thing, or them Benghazi investigations. But guess that was totally different, naturally.

 

The Mueller investigation was blocked from directly investigating the President. You are well aware of this, yet choose to bring up this nonsense over and over again. You also ignore people (some very close to the Trump campaign) were indicted, convicted and sent off to prison.

 

As for your 'bound to fail' bit - guess it was too much to hope for that some Republicans senators would grow a spine and a conscience.

 

 

12 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets!

Some of us have.

 

I look forward to collecting. It's buying money. Easy Peasy; lemon squeezie.

1 hour ago, lockyv7 said:

fron the extreme left wing Democrats, who else.  ???? 

Torn between this being sarcasm or staggering stupidity

Like i said some where else,all of them guns are going to be used,just waiting for and excuse.

I did not say a reason but an excuse.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the OP is just more stirring to try and discredit a Trump win in advance, along with all the other, in my opinion, alarmist claims such as Trump would refuse to leave the W H if Biden was confirmed as president.

It was Trump alluded to not leaving and guaranteeing a smooth transition, as he said there would be no need for a transition ( inferring he would be re-elected, and did not affirm a smooth transition)

3 hours ago, Morch said:

Calling investigation relating to Russia's intervention efforts in US politics 'fake' is a choice. The facts are that numerous USA intelligence and security agencies see things differently than yourself, and that investigations into these matters resulted in convictions - some involving highly placed personnel close to Trump or to the Trump campaign. You wish to call it 'fake' and be taken seriously, you'll have to support your views with a bit more than capitalizing words.

 

The opposition is not supposed to role over and play along just because the other side won. I have no idea how Trump supporters got to hold this notion. It's all the more perplexing considering previous years of 'birther' BS from Republicans and Trump. Guess that was totally different....

 

And 'unwilling to do their job'? What, in your esteemed opinion, is their 'job'? To rubber stamp anything Trump wishes? To avoid criticizing him? How did that work out for Republicans during Obama's terms?

 

Going against the administration is in line with what opposition implies. As for 'undermine' - using legal means to counter the government is allowed in democracies.

It only happened because Trump, IMO, chose the wrong guy to be attorney general. The biggest mistake Trump ever made as president, IMO, was not sacking Sessions the minute he recused himself.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

I don't recall you having such issues with regard to the 'birther' thing, or them Benghazi investigations. But guess that was totally different, naturally.

Far as I remember the birther thing wasn't on TVF to have an issue with.

 

I definitely did have something to say about the Benghazi thing though. Not my fault if you don't remember.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

For some of Trump's supporters (and apparently, the President himself) there seems to be some confusion as to what's allowed in democracy. Opposing the winning side is legit. Using legal means to censure, probe and even depose of said side is legit as well.

 

I don't recall you having such issues with regard to the 'birther' thing, or them Benghazi investigations. But guess that was totally different, naturally.

 

The Mueller investigation was blocked from directly investigating the President. You are well aware of this, yet choose to bring up this nonsense over and over again. You also ignore people (some very close to the Trump campaign) were indicted, convicted and sent off to prison.

 

As for your 'bound to fail' bit - guess it was too much to hope for that some Republicans senators would grow a spine and a conscience.

 

IMO it was a pity some Dem senators didn't grow a spine and refuse to vote for conviction.

 

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It only happened because Trump, IMO, chose the wrong guy to be attorney general. The biggest mistake Trump ever made as president, IMO, was not sacking Sessions the minute he recused himself.

4 years ago, a very good friend of mine and his wife (voted for Trump) told me that the only thing that really concerned him about Trump was his (unknown) ties to Russia, and that of many of his inner campaign circle. There was enough smoke there for him to be concerned so I can't call that a "Democrat" thing. We DO know of Russia's attempts to influence the elections in several countries and ofcourse their biggest prize would be the US. In many ways they have achieved that goal (whether they have leverage on Trump or not) since the US is more fractured than ever, with some even questioning the legitimacy of their Democracy, voting systems, and institutions.

Just now, Silencer said:

4 years ago, a very good friend of mine and his wife (voted for Trump) told me that the only thing that really concerned him about Trump was his (unknown) ties to Russia, and that of many of his inner campaign circle. There was enough smoke there for him to be concerned so I can't call that a "Democrat" thing. We DO know of Russia's attempts to influence the elections in several countries and ofcourse their biggest prize would be the US. In many ways they have achieved that goal (whether they have leverage on Trump or not) since the US is more fractured than ever, with some even questioning the legitimacy of their Democracy, voting systems, and institutions.

IMO the real threat is China, which is apparently being overlooked, perhaps for political reasons.

 

I'm not aware of anything that Russia has gained by trying to get Trump elected. I still remember Obama and the Russian president.

 

During the 2012 Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, President Obama, in an exchange with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, stated: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him [incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin] to give me space.” “This is my last election,” he continued. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/open-microphone-whats-behind-president-obamas-missile-defense-comments

 

For sure, every country capable of influencing the election will be doing so, just as America has done to other countries.

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the real threat is China, which is apparently being overlooked, perhaps for political reasons.

 

I'm not aware of anything that Russia has gained by trying to get Trump elected. I still remember Obama and the Russian president.

 

During the 2012 Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, President Obama, in an exchange with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, stated: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him [incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin] to give me space.” “This is my last election,” he continued. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/open-microphone-whats-behind-president-obamas-missile-defense-comments

 

For sure, every country capable of influencing the election will be doing so, just as America has done to other countries.

I agree China is a bigger concern for the US....I was only addressing the "Russia Probe" discussion. Too easy to get passions riled up throwing too much into a comment.  ????

22 minutes ago, Silencer said:

4 years ago, a very good friend of mine and his wife (voted for Trump) told me that the only thing that really concerned him about Trump was his (unknown) ties to Russia, and that of many of his inner campaign circle. There was enough smoke there for him to be concerned so I can't call that a "Democrat" thing. We DO know of Russia's attempts to influence the elections in several countries and ofcourse their biggest prize would be the US. In many ways they have achieved that goal (whether they have leverage on Trump or not) since the US is more fractured than ever, with some even questioning the legitimacy of their Democracy, voting systems, and institutions.

The US interferes, for decades, in other countries (Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - the list is endless) and almost certainly Russia. While the Dems shout 'Reds under the Bed"  China slowly wins.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

How? Do such imaginary 'members' post their imaginary member card details on their profile?

By using their images from demos, their statements of misinformation and identifying their source of money and the connection to BLM Racists.

14 hours ago, lungbing said:

Thanks to the left who wouldn't accept the results four years ago because Hilary thought it was her turn.  Then instead of getting their act together and  bringing new policies forward that would be acceptable to the voting public, they spent 4 years trying to discredit Trump by one stupid method or another.  And finally, after four long years, the best they could come up with was another elderly rich white man.  And I'm English, so I do not even have a horse in this race.

The Democrats spent t the last four years passing four hundred pieces of legislation which Mitch McConnel has refused to put before the senate for purely party reasons, nothing to do with the content of the bills.

Any discrediting Trump is responsible for largely by himself.

210,000+Americans have died due to his mismanagement of the epidemic.

If one is not familiar with the situation and not a US citizen, then they probably ought not to be making ignorant comments about the said situation.

Reserve your remarks for your own national <deleted>, eh?

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, lungbing said:

Thanks to the left who wouldn't accept the results four years ago because Hilary thought it was her turn.  Then instead of getting their act together and  bringing new policies forward that would be acceptable to the voting public, they spent 4 years trying to discredit Trump by one stupid method or another.  And finally, after four long years, the best they could come up with was another elderly rich white man.  And I'm English, so I do not even have a horse in this race.

Strange that also for me the name Hillary popped up in mind spontaneous …..and I am even not anglophile origin ????

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Would that include Antifa

Antifa, for those who have not been paying attention, is not in any way a "militia group".

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I remember the birther thing wasn't on TVF to have an issue with.

 

I definitely did have something to say about the Benghazi thing though. Not my fault if you don't remember.

 

I wouldn't put much trust in your memory, then. The 'birther' thing was discussed and referenced on these topics. You wish to deny this, or partaking? Alright then....

 

As for you next bit of deflection - did you have any complaints about it on par with those you express now?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the real threat is China, which is apparently being overlooked, perhaps for political reasons.

 

I'm not aware of anything that Russia has gained by trying to get Trump elected. I still remember Obama and the Russian president.

 

During the 2012 Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, President Obama, in an exchange with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, stated: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him [incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin] to give me space.” “This is my last election,” he continued. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/open-microphone-whats-behind-president-obamas-missile-defense-comments

 

For sure, every country capable of influencing the election will be doing so, just as America has done to other countries.

 

You expert opinion is not shared by USA intelligence and security agencies. Also, it is not a zero sum game - both China and Russia are considered threats. Russia gains when the USA is seen as less credible, or when USA ties and alliances are strained. Sowing discord serves Russian long term goals. As for the usual 'everyone does it and America too' - yeah, just not all countries have similar capabilities in this area and the topic is not about what the USA did.

55 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

The US interferes, for decades, in other countries (Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - the list is endless) and almost certainly Russia. While the Dems shout 'Reds under the Bed"  China slowly wins.

China slowly wins, under trumps watch. Best you dont vote for him then.

59 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

The US interferes, for decades, in other countries (Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - the list is endless) and almost certainly Russia. While the Dems shout 'Reds under the Bed"  China slowly wins.

 

Topic is not about alleged USA interference abroad - just another whataboutist deflection. The Democrats did not shout 'red under the beds', the assessments were provided by various USA intelligence and security agencies. That you wish to ignore, deny and deflect this doesn't change facts.

 

China and Russia are both threats, not mutually exclusive.

57 minutes ago, Nout said:

By using their images from demos, their statements of misinformation and identifying their source of money and the connection to BLM Racists.

 

Being at a demonstration is not necessarily an offense.

Statements of misinformation are not necessarily an offense.

Sources of money - I guess you're trying to imply something, not sure what.

Connection to BLM - again, not really an offense, and as far as I'm aware not much connection anyway.

 

Conspiracy troll post has been removed

The madness in the USA will continue, IMHO, due to having the underlying issue not being addressed by anyone in national leadership ... save Bernie and he again was shut out by powerful vested interests. The underlying issue? It is evidenced in the justified frustration/anger in the working middle class and is economic. The great irony is that this issue was/is the cause of far too many believing The Donald's promises to address (too bad they did not read his documented history before the 2016 election) ... the irony? It is the same issue demanding to be addressed by the progressives. All addressing the economic income/wealth gap, and this directly affects the unjust political system, the justice system, the healthcare system, the higher education system, etc. at least as a moderate step. 1). raise the minimum wage for the working middle class 2). institute a national healthcare program like all other developed countries provide for their citizens 3). lower any cost of increasing knowledge through higher education (benefitting the individual, business, and the nation through more knowledgable citizens) 4) protect Social Security/Medicare as earned benefits for the retired working middle class.

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what? They could ban Antifa members posting on facebook.

555 So anyone making an anti fascist statement should be banned. Sorry, you posted as a joke, right. I just fear some may well take this as a serious idea given the medal capacity of far too many these days.

To me it is unbelievable that the so called "greatest nation on earth" can only come up with this quality of Presedential material

18 hours ago, Surelynot said:

A whole nation gone mental...thanks to.......????

I suggest that those who read and believe this rubbish, look inwardly and reflect upon themselves. The real "mental" condition is in the head of the owner.

I am somewhat disheartened by the number of near, if not outright, fascist, supremacist, and generally intolerant comments I read in these forums.

I deactivated my account a few years ago because baldly antiSemitic posts went unchallenged.

I have seen a number of unresearched posts here lately, which is disappointing.

Unsupported opinions thinly  asserted as "facts" annoy me, no matter which end of the spectrum. 

 

If you really trace back the genesis if the "great division of America", it started with the incredibly hateful and toxic Roger Ailes. With the development of Fox News, he created a hateful and divisive ideology. The rest of the MSM has simply been reacting to that. And Trump has simply been stoking the division, with his racist and divisive rhetoric. He did not create this. It was already there. Just waiting for a leader to take charge, and exploit it. Trump was that guy.