Teacher knifed to death in France after showing class cartoons of Prophet Mohammad

[Opl]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

If you ask most people who have a strong belief in their chosen faith whether they put their faith or the state first and they will say their faith.
 

If you asked me whether I put my politics above the state, I will say yes every time, and the same goes for environmental issues and other issues of equality and intolerance.

Does that mean I would take arms against my state or kill people in the name of any of the causes I list above, no it does not.

In France,  the State - that is to say The Republic - is separated from the Religion. 

Religion doesn't make decision for Schools programs.

People don't vote for a Religion

Religion is a private matter and should not impact our schools, workplaces etc..

In France, there is no blasphemy low, freedom of expression prevails. 

When a terror attack is committed by people in the name of their religion, it's an attack and a hate crime against - not the State- not the Republic-  but againt the country, against France.   

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[Baerboxer]

20 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Why is it these people flock to the West and not to other Muslim countries?

 

Because other Muslim countries, the richer better educated ones, know exactly what the one from poorer, low educated more radical ones are like. 

 

They don't want them and won't have them in.

[sirocco]

post 113, nanLaew

 

Maybe you should apply yourself and orient yourself on the lines I was answering?
Come on, an effort.
As for Pétrogaz who has among his best friends, blacks, this entitles him to a chocolate medal for having written it.
Very often, when we talk about Arabs or blacks with people, they are immediately on the defensive saying "I have black or Arab friends" for fear that they will be blamed if, by chance, they did not.
These people anticipate, what.
Personally, knowing very well the African, black, Arab mentality, they are not my best friends.
Happy!!!!!

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

In France,  the State - that is to say The Republic - is separated from the Religion. 

Religion doesn't make decision for Schools programs.

People don't vote for a Religion

Religion is a private matter and should not impact our schools, workplaces etc..

In France, there is no blasphemy low, freedom of expression prevails. 

When a terror attack is committed by people in the name of their religion, it's an attack and a hate crime against - not the State- not the Republic-  but againt the country, against France.   

None of which addresses the point I made.
 

As far as I can see you tried to link that poll to a propensity to kill in the name of religion.
 

If you are not saying that then say so and we are good. 

[Opl]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

None of which addresses the point I made.
 

As far as I can see you tried to link that poll to a propensity to kill in the name of religion.
 

If you are not saying that then say so and we are good. 

So you put Sharia law above all in a non Muslim country? Because Sharia Law is how the ideology organizes the society and the politics.

Get it? 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Opl said:

So you put Sharia law above all in a non Muslim country? Because Sharia Law is how the ideology organizes the society and the politics.

Get it? 

Oh I get you and your agenda alright. 

[Baerboxer]

49 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Critical thinking?

 

If the unfortunate teacher either didn't consider or chose to ignore that he had muslim children in the class who may have been offended, he wasn't exercising ANY critical thinking.

 

There's a plethora of ways of teaching examples of 'freedom of speech' and not all of them require cartoons of someone else's chosen deity.

 

Actually, the teacher, according to the BBC, did warn the children what he was going to show. He asked Muslims to raise a hand and then, having explained to them what he would show, and why it was important to show it, whether they wanted to leave. He respected their right. Muslim radicals did not respect his right, nor the law.

 

Islam is not protected more than any other ideology. It and it's followers are not above the law. They do not have the right to murder or commit violence if they don't like someone else's views.

[Oxx]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Because other Muslim countries, the richer better educated ones, know exactly what the one from poorer, low educated more radical ones are like. 

 

They don't want them and won't have them in.

 

How many of the 7/11 hijackers were Saudi? 15 out of 19, was it?

 

And Saudi is the source of one of the most extreme forms of Islam, Wahhabism, which has poisoned Muslim minds across the globe.

 

It's not necessarily the poorer, less educated Muslims that are the most radical.

[Opl]

 

Samuel PATY - 47

Each year, for three years, this professor has been in charge of this moral and civic education course on this Freedom of Expression theme, on the National Education program.

 

 

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[onebir]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

French broadcaster BFMTV reported that the suspected attacker was 18 years old and born in Moscow.

This seems strange...

[simple1]

2 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Still, the bottom line is that the native birthrate in France is unsustainably low and they need immigrants to support the retirement pensions of aging French citizens. So the motivation for opening the country to immigrants seems logical, but doing so without extreme discretion has proven unwise. 

It's ultimately short-sighted because the high birthrate of the Muslim immigrants will mean that soon they will be electing their own to government and eventually will simply defund the social system and phase in sharia law.

 

Human history is a long story of one culture subsuming another to extinction. The Japanese seem to be the least willing to accept this and are literally paying couples to have children, not just tax breaks. 

 

I've had spirited discussions with French citizens who fervently claim that the immigrants will embrace French culture and assimilate. In my opinion this is wishful thinking. Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life that will not be abandoned easily. Islam stresses assimilation but strictly one direction. 

 

This entire conundrum is common to several western EU countries and the results are in evidence in many, Germany being another example. 

 

For better or not the Islamization of Europe is underway and accelerating; France is not unique except in being farthest along in the process. Muslims are ~9% of the population today, over 6% in Germany, 8% in Sweden. This is one of the consequences of cradle-to-grave socialism. 

 

Pew Research Center statistics:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

I've read Pew reports before. Projected birth dare for Muslims in Europe until 2030 is 1.5 per female PEW). As Muslims have greater access to stability, education and so on, birth rates drop. Off Topic, but Indonesia is a great example of prior very high birth rates, now education, access to medical care and so forth being more available, birth rates dropped dramatically. The matter has been 'debated' ad nauseam on TV, The Pew report for future Muslim population as of 2050 is at URL below. Percentage of Muslim population for Europe by 2050, at the highest rate is projected to be approx 14%, takes the wind out of the right of centre propaganda; being swamped blah, blah.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/12/04/europes-muslim-population-will-continue-to-grow-but-how-much-depends-on-migration/

 

 

 

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, onebir said:

This seems strange...

been reported the murderer was Chechen

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

at least the death of the teacher might not have been totally in vain, hopefully it will open the eyes of hundreds of young French Muslims and turn them away from islamism.

seen any pink pigs flying recently?

[Donga]

42 minutes ago, 9653 said:

The Muslims need to be expelled, together with that nut alla.

They just don’t belong here amongst us.

Back to the Arab country, where they come from.

My grandmother always used to say, that if you want to go on a holiday, don’t go to arabia, You’ll come back with two black eyes, that’s if you come back at all

 

8 minutes ago, alien365 said:

Let us know what you think why don't you.

Your opinion sounds like it should stay in your grandparents era, but naturally I expect to hear such comments at times like this.

 

Agree generally alien365, though the teacher was perhaps a little naive and being being generous, unfortunately..

[simple1]

22 minutes ago, Donga said:

Agree generally alien365, though the teacher was perhaps a little naive and being being generous, unfortunately..

It's been reported the teacher made all the right moves with acknowledging Islamic sensitivities, giving the pupils permission to leave during the segment on the cartoons and so on. Does sound like a possible act of ultimate betrayal by someone. The murder was cruel and appalling. We will have to wait and see what French security forces dig up on the killers background and if they identify any in his orbit are on the same ideological path.

[RocketDog]

48 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I've read Pew reports before. Projected birth dare for Muslims in Europe until 2030 is 1.5 per female PEW). As Muslims have greater access to stability, education and so on, birth rates drop. Off Topic, but Indonesia is a great example of prior very high birth rates, now education, access to medical care and so forth being more available, birth rates dropped dramatically. The matter has been 'debated' ad nauseam on TV, The Pew report for future Muslim population as of 2050 is at URL below. Percentage of Muslim population for Europe by 2050, at the highest rate is projected to be approx 14%, takes the wind out of the right of centre propaganda; being swamped blah, blah.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/12/04/europes-muslim-population-will-continue-to-grow-but-how-much-depends-on-migration/

 

 

 

I also saw the link you gave. It projects three possibilities based on how much migration occurs. Pretty subjective analysis. 

 

What happened in Indonesia is not necessarily predictive of what would occur in Europe either: apples and oranges. 

 

Also, the population rise over the last ten years is a fact, the figures you quote are projections, a guess. So it doesn't necessarily preclude anything. I never would have predicted what's happened the last four years in America. 

 

I don't personally fret much about what will happen in 2050 since I won't be here. 

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Also, the population rise over the last ten years is a fact,

Sure, but by no means do they indicate an alleged Muslim takeover of Europe - it's just out there extremist right wing hyperbole.

 

What happened in Indonesia is not necessarily predictive of what would occur in Europe either: apples and oranges. 

 

Broadly agree, but gives a good indication on inputs to birth rate reduction for communities moving to a better quality of life - there are other country examples of a similar experience

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[Mike k]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Social Security, hospitals and soft officialdom.....

And to spread their <deleted> 

[Opl]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Sure, but by no means do they indicate an alleged Muslim takeover of Europe - it's just out there extremist right wing hyperbole

the father of a student posted a video on  social media giving the adress of the teacher who has been beheaded -  is-it or not a muslim takeover on French National Education program?  ?  

[simple1]

Just now, Opl said:

the father of a student posted a video on  social media giving the adress of the teacher who has been beheaded -  is-it or not a muslim takeover on French National Education program?  ?  

No

[Opl]

Just now, simple1 said:

No

And so The Charlie Hebdo case as example of Freedom of Expression, in a course to students, including with Muslim roots is  OK and safe for other teachers? No risk of threats or other beheadings to come ?   I wouldn't bet.

[simple1]

26 minutes ago, Opl said:

And so The Charlie Hebdo case as example of Freedom of Expression, in a course to students, including with Muslim roots is  OK and safe for other teachers? No risk of threats or other beheadings to come ?   I wouldn't bet.

Looks like I have a greater trust than you your fellow citizens will not succumb to possible threats.

[riclag]

11 hours ago, Don Chance said:

Multiculturalism is a disaster. Globalists are pushing this agenda all over the world.

 You hit the Nail on the head mate!

[Opl]

31 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Looks like I have a greater trust than you your fellow citizens will not succumb to possible threats.

The father of a fourth-grader had tried to launch a protest movement after the teacher gave a course on freedom of expression, including cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published by Charlie Hebdo.
His daughter , schooled in fourth in the establishment, but not in the teacher's class, told, according to her father who took up her version in a video broadcast the day after the course, her "shock" when the teacher would have, according to her, asked the Muslim students to leave the classroom, because "he was going to show an image that might shock them." The student's parent, according to an elected official, launched his video "without consultation with other families who have children who follow this course and without inquiring whether his daughter was telling the truth or not". He then posted the teacher's name on Facebook. His call to protest at the College has first been supported by the Great Pantin Mosq (now condemning the killing). 

in addition to knowingly lying, the father knew the risks of publishing such a video,  with the precedent of Charlie Hebdo

No respect - no trust. 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Opl

[nausea]

Imagine what the Christian religion would be like if we interpretated the Old Testament literally. There you have Islam. To be honest, I tried to read The Koran in translation, couldn't get past the second chapter, The Cow.  You probably need to understand Arabic to get the full value, apparently it's very poetic. Now the Bible I've read a couple of times, a ripping good yarn as they say, ask Alex.

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

the father of a student posted a video on  social media giving the adress of the teacher who has been beheaded -  is-it or not a muslim takeover on French National Education program?  ?  

he should be held guilty for incitement to murder and put away.

[simple1]

18 minutes ago, Opl said:

The father of a fourth-grader had tried to launch a protest movement after the teacher gave a course on freedom of expression, including cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published by Charlie Hebdo.
His daughter , schooled in fourth in the establishment, but not in the teacher's class, told, according to her father who took up her version in a video broadcast the day after the course, her "shock" when the teacher would have, according to her, asked the Muslim students to leave the classroom, because "he was going to show an image that might shock them." The student's parent, according to an elected official, launched his video "without consultation with other families who have children who follow this course and without inquiring whether his daughter was telling the truth or not". He then posted the teacher's name on Facebook. His call to protest at the College has first been supported by the Great Pantin Mosq (now condemning the killing). 

in addition to knowingly lying, the father knew the risks of publishing such a video,  with the precedent of Charlie Hebdo

No respect - no trust. 

 

The question you posted was does the murder indicate a Muslim takeover of the French education system, to which I answered. NO. Nor does any of the above. 

[katana]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

7 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Aren't real, proper Muslims forbidden to have non Muslim friends , as written in the Koran ?

No. 

13 verses from the koran exhorting muslims not to take the kafir as a friend:
https://www.theunitedwest.org/2017/10/14/the-13-verses-that-reveal-that-a-muslim-is-not-the-friend-of-a-kafir/

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The question you posted was does the murder indicate a Muslim takeover of the French education system, to which I answered. NO. Nor does any of the above. 

Because you're in denial.

The Mosq - in a non muslim country supported the call to protest against a teacher - leading to his killi,ng - it's not the way we do it here.