Four in ten supporters of Biden, Trump would not accept election defeat

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Four in ten supporters of Biden, Trump would not accept election defeat

By Chris Kahn

 

FILE PHOTO: Voters line up to cast ballots outside Madison Square Garden which is used as a polling station, on the first day of early voting in Manhattan, New York, U.S. October 24, 2020. REUTERS/Jeenah Moon/File Photo

 

(Reuters) - More than four in ten supporters of both President Donald Trump and his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, said they would not accept the result of the November election if their preferred candidate loses, Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

 

The survey, conducted from Oct. 13-20, shows 43% of Biden supporters would not accept a Trump victory, while 41% of Americans who want to re-elect Trump would not accept a win by Biden.

 

Smaller portions would take action to make their displeasure known: 22% of Biden supporters and 16% of Trump supporters said they would engage in street protests or even violence if their preferred candidate loses.

 

U.S. election officials are dealing with a series of challenges this year that have raised concerns about the public's confidence in the result.

Top national security officials warned last week that Russia and Iran have been hacking into U.S. voting systems and looking for ways to undermine the election.

 

Trump also has repeatedly questioned the integrity of U.S. elections, arguing that the process is "rigged" against him and repeatedly asserting without evidence that the surge in mail-in voting this year will increase the likelihood of voter fraud. He has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if the vote count indicates he has lost.

 

Donald Green, a political scientist at Columbia University, said the poll results ease his concerns about post-election violence. But he warned that if the election is close, or one candidate can make a credible accusation of voter fraud, it could spark wider discontent and protests than the poll suggests.

 

"This is why many people who oppose Trump are holding their breath and hoping for a lopsided outcome that is not up for grabs," Green said.

 

The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Biden leads Trump by 8 percentage points nationally: 51% of likely voters say they are backing the Democratic challenger while 43% are voting for the president.

 

Biden also is ahead in Wisconsin and Michigan, but the race appears to be much closer in other battleground states including Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina.

 

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 2,649 American adults, including 1,039 who said they had voted for Trump or were planning to vote for him, and 1,153 who said they were similarly backing Biden.

The poll has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of 4 percentage points.

 

(Reporting by Chris Kahn; Editing by Daniel Wallis)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-10-26

 

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[Slip]

What a nonsense article. "Would not accept"?  Short of armed insurrection no-one polled has any choice but to accept.  Are they confusing the word "accept" with the word "like"? 

 

Meanwhile we can thank Trump and the spineless republican party for the fact that this is even a topic for discussion in U.S. politics and trash articles such as this even see the light of day.

 

 

[Scott]

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[thaibeachlovers]

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

What a nonsense article. "Would not accept"?  Short of armed insurrection no-one polled has any choice but to accept.  Are they confusing the word "accept" with the word "like"? 

 

Meanwhile we can thank Trump and the spineless republican party for the fact that this is even a topic for discussion in U.S. politics and trash articles such as this even see the light of day.

 

 

Other than "the spineless republican party" I agree with what you wrote.

[Boon Mee]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

Thank God for ACB then...????

[meechai]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

Meanwhile we can thank Trump and the spineless republican party for the fact that this is even a topic for discussion in U.S. politics

 

????

This was only ever a "thing" since 2016 election results were announced.

Trump won & the Dem's went into meltdown ( Hence the earned snowflake nickname)

 

Half of them were crying & saying they needed a safe room & the other were half running amuck in the streets burning things in a tantrum

with all their "claims" of how unfair it was that Hillary won the "popular" vote & by their reasoning was the rightful president

 

So yeah we can thank the Dems for this type of nonsense & the media they own

Edited October 25, 2020 by meechai

[Credo]

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

You said "I hope the Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow".   Are you suggesting that if Biden wins by a small majority that Trump should continue as President?   

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Biden supporters motivated to see the back of Trump is a good thing.

 

The real danger however is Trump has said he will not commit to a peaceful transfer of power.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54274115

[thaibeachlovers]

33 minutes ago, Credo said:

You said "I hope the Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow".   Are you suggesting that if Biden wins by a small majority that Trump should continue as President?   

 

Only after adjudication by the courts. A small majority applies to both candidates equally. Postal votes being able to be counted after the election date in some states have muddied the water, IMO.

Edited October 26, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[PatOngo]

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

 

Maybe a shootout at the OK Corral with the Proud Boys! Yee Haw! ????

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only after adjudication by the courts. A small majority applies to both candidates equally. Postal votes being able to be counted after the election date in some states have muddied the water.

Postal votes have not ‘muddied’ any water.

 

They are hard records, traceable and verifiable.

 

 

[pixelaoffy]

USA has become this disaster because of a madman in WH who says he will ' take a look at the result '.spouts lies about 'widespread voter fraud " .. all of this from leader of a party that engages in voter suppression!!    The Republic has been taken to the brink by someone as many believe, including relatives, that has serious mental issues! RIP USA

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

So because you think Biden might not concede, Biden supporters should accept a court challenge by Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, stevenl said:

So because you think Biden might not concede, Biden supporters should accept a court challenge by Trump.

Yes, Hillary told him not to concede.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election “under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

[mr mr]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, Hillary told him not to concede.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election “under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

 

your team cheats but mine is squeaky clean. man watching left vs right is so entertaining. especially american politics. what a cluster show. 

 

dinosaur 1 vs dinosaur 2

 

a country of almost 350 million people and these 2 clowns are the best to offer ? really ? 

 

good grief.

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, Hillary told him not to concede.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election “under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

Hillary is not biden, she holds no office and does not speak on behalf of his campaign.

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, Hillary told him not to concede.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election “under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

So? Clinton is not involved in the campaign, and your answer does not relate to my comment.

[Tug]

We are fed up with trump it will show in the election results trumps toast and will be forced out

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, mr mr said:

 

your team cheats but mine is squeaky clean. man watching left vs right is so entertaining. especially american politics. what a cluster show. 

 

dinosaur 1 vs dinosaur 2

 

a country of almost 350 million people and these 2 clowns are the best to offer ? really ? 

 

good grief.

Agreed, the democrats have had years to prepare for this election. The world is laughing at you biden supporters.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, Slip said:

What a nonsense article. "Would not accept"?  Short of armed insurrection no-one polled has any choice but to accept.  Are they confusing the word "accept" with the word "like"? 

 

Meanwhile we can thank Trump and the spineless republican party for the fact that this is even a topic for discussion in U.S. politics and trash articles such as this even see the light of day.

 

 

Why just hang it on one party, both sides are equally responsible for the tactics they have undertaken against each other.  If the OP had stated that 4 in 10 of the Republican supporters and 0 in 10 of the democratic supporters had said they would not accept election defeat, then your one sided diatribe would be understood.  However, it is both sides of the equation, so both parties are responsible for the miserable mess they have both created in dividing the country, much like before the American Civil War.  It has been bubbling since even before Obama took office.

[Venom]

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.

Joseph Stalin

[Paul Henry]

Fact is Hillary said "Do not concede on election night" She did not said do not concede after all votes are counted. because Trump always misrepresents the truth no need for his supports to lie and follow his example of 25000 lies and misrepresentations in four years.

[TopDeadSenter]

4 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Fact is Hillary said "Do not concede on election night" She did not said do not concede after all votes are counted. because Trump always misrepresents the truth no need for his supports to lie and follow his example of 25000 lies and misrepresentations in four years.

Her actual quote is

 

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said in an interview with her former communications director Jennifer Palmieri for Showtime's “The Circus,” which released a clip Tuesday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

 

Not sure where this "on the night" comes from? But the quote above contradicts this claim as it clearly means a longer timeframe than one night.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Fact is Hillary said "Do not concede on election night" She did not said do not concede after all votes are counted. because Trump always misrepresents the truth no need for his supports to lie and follow his example of 25000 lies and misrepresentations in four years.

Can you please post all of the 25,000 lies, I need to fact check your sources, but I know that MSN made a statement that he was on track for 25,000 as he had made over 19,000 porkies or half truths as of May 29, 2020.  But the bigger question is "How many lies have all politicians told in the last 4 years?".  That's an even bigger number if so, and is why the state of the US is in such a mess.  Everyone is to blame.  No cohesiveness from my viewpoint, but I am willing to be told I am wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Her actual quote is

 

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said in an interview with her former communications director Jennifer Palmieri for Showtime's “The Circus,” which released a clip Tuesday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

 

Not sure where this "on the night" comes from? But the quote above contradicts this claim as it clearly means a longer timeframe than one night.

Thanks for posting that and saving me the trouble.

[Jingthing]

Dudes.

This is serious. 

Credible people are openly warning of the potential for civil war.

Not saying that's likely but it's certainly possible. 

 

Also keep in mind that whoever emerges as president the divisions will still be there.

 

Obviously Biden is the much better choice in this context because at least he is trying to project himself as president for all Americans, even opponents.

 

45 has never done that and never will.

 

I suggest that this article is a must read on this topic. Perhaps particularly for non Americans that are wondering what happened to America.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/end-of-democracy-election/2020/10/25/3b8c0940-13d0-11eb-ba42-ec6a580836ed_story.html

 

 

The end of democracy? To many Americans, the future looks dark if the other side wins.

 

 

A psychiatrist examining what has happened to America’s soul chooses for his book cover an iconic image from “Planet of the Apes” — a charred, half-buried wreck of the Statue of Liberty.

A minister who believes the United States is God’s chosen nation decides that a Joe Biden presidential victory would mean doom, a crushing of the nation’s essence.

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Jingthing

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

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I suggest that this article is a must read on this topic. Perhaps particularly for non Americans that are wondering what happened to America.

<snip>

Disagree with you, especially Americans should read this to realise (or for Americans realize) what they have done and still are doing to their country.

[ThailandRyan]

I think I need to go pay 5 cents and see my psychiatrist

Edited October 26, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Disagree with you, especially Americans should read this to realise (or for Americans realize) what they have done and still are doing to their country.

I think Americans that are open to knowing already know.