2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And that's where I tuned out.

...which is part of the problem.  Tuning out. Not listening and responding. Having a shouting contest. Trying to be 'clever' and come up with whatever slur or epithet you can for people on the other side.  It does get tiring.  

 

I work in a field where I would guesstimate that upwards of 80% of my colleagues lean left or far left.  But that's OK.  The problem is that they don't get enough practice actually defending their views- they can happily go through their days without ever hearing a dissenting opinion. As a result, they come to see theirs as the only 'right' opinion to have, and any deviation must therefore be not just wrong but evil. 

 

I don't see that among conservatives. We are in a minority and are used to having our ideas challenged, so we develop better coping skills.  I don't think any of my left leaning coworkers are evil or racist or bad people. I think they may be illogical and emotional, but that's as far as it goes. 

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

...which is part of the problem.  Tuning out. Not listening and responding. Having a shouting contest. Trying to be 'clever' and come up with whatever slur or epithet you can for people on the other side.  It does get tiring.  

 

I work in a field where I would guesstimate that upwards of 80% of my colleagues lean left or far left.  But that's OK.  The problem is that they don't get enough practice actually defending their views- they can happily go through their days without ever hearing a dissenting opinion. As a result, they come to see theirs as the only 'right' opinion to have, and any deviation must therefore be not just wrong but evil. 

 

I don't see that among conservatives.

Really???

4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Some ‘Biden Republicans’ just keep talking about a new political party

 

"If Joe Biden wins the presidency next week, it will be with a coalition that spans figures from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez all the way to Carly Fiorina, the former Republican candidate for president and CEO of Hewlett-Packard.

Biden’s left flank has already made plenty of noise about how they’d seek to pull him leftward if he wins. His Republican supporters would be pulling in the opposite direction but – perhaps in an acknowledgement of the uphill climb they would face – the idea of a third party in 2021 keeps coming up."

 

 

IMO this would be of enormous benefit to the US. The current 2 party system is a mess and clearly dangerous as seen by the election of a complete moron and serial liar. A 3 party system would IMO make it much more unlikely that a minority of the population would be able to force upon the country someone like trump.

Unfortunately our current voting system makes any vote for other than one of the two major parties a wasted vote.

 

If the US would implement a rank choice voting system people would be free to vote for the party that they truly felt would best serve the country, while also voting for a second best, third best, etc. 

 

People could vote their ideals and still place a "safety vote" for the major party that they thought would be the least bad for the country.  With people free to vote their ideals smaller parties would be better able to grow into large parties.  The popularity of small parties would force the major parties to reconsider catering to the extreme wings of their base.  It might even lead to more than two parties dominating Congress, and (dare we hope?) force the politicians in Congress to re-learn the art of negotiation and compromise.

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

...which is part of the problem.  Tuning out. Not listening and responding. Having a shouting contest. Trying to be 'clever' and come up with whatever slur or epithet you can for people on the other side.  It does get tiring.  

 

I work in a field where I would guesstimate that upwards of 80% of my colleagues lean left or far left.  But that's OK.  The problem is that they don't get enough practice actually defending their views- they can happily go through their days without ever hearing a dissenting opinion. As a result, they come to see theirs as the only 'right' opinion to have, and any deviation must therefore be not just wrong but evil. 

 

I don't see that among conservatives. We are in a minority and are used to having our ideas challenged, so we develop better coping skills.  I don't think any of my left leaning coworkers are evil or racist or bad people. I think they may be illogical and emotional, but that's as far as it goes. 

Are the believers of Qanon and conspiracy theories examples of conservatives better coping skills?

5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Believe me when I tell you it's the same with liberals and progressives...facts, the Constition, and the law mean nothing to them...only their feelings and what they "feel" is right.

Trump supporter asserts the Constitution and the Law mean nothing to Liberals and Progressives.

 

And without a jot of introspection.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...which is part of the problem.  Tuning out. Not listening and responding. Having a shouting contest. Trying to be 'clever' and come up with whatever slur or epithet you can for people on the other side.  It does get tiring.  

 

I work in a field where I would guesstimate that upwards of 80% of my colleagues lean left or far left.  But that's OK.  The problem is that they don't get enough practice actually defending their views- they can happily go through their days without ever hearing a dissenting opinion. As a result, they come to see theirs as the only 'right' opinion to have, and any deviation must therefore be not just wrong but evil. 

 

I don't see that among conservatives. We are in a minority and are used to having our ideas challenged, so we develop better coping skills.  I don't think any of my left leaning coworkers are evil or racist or bad people. I think they may be illogical and emotional, but that's as far as it goes. 

I’m waiting to hear a rightwing ‘idea’ that isn’t rooted in fear, hate or spite.

 

Go on challenge me, give me a ‘rightwing idea’ you think has some value to all.

 

 

On 10/29/2020 at 8:50 AM, ThailandRyan said:

So again as always with anyone's posts you want to put words into my mouth that I did not write or spew, much to your chagrin, so instead you had to insinuate what I wrote was what you wanted it to mean.  Good on you man to be a mind reader and telepathic one at that.  My comment is for all voters and about how the MSM skews the voting no matter who is running.  At the end of the day even the money raised is touted as a sure win over the one without the most money, another bunch of BS.  Elections should be fair and free of any political gerrymandering.

 

In my view everyone running for an office should only be given two print adds to be placed in the printed media, two television spots, two radio announcements, and then the same for the internet.  None of the adds can be used to mudsling or discuss the other opponents.  Instead the Adds should only be about who you are, what you think you can accomplish in the position and how you will work at doing the job, in a positive way.  Not the current BS politcal grandstanding, bullying, hatefull divisiveness and such.  But then that is just my view.  I hate the current state of affairs and politics as it does not and has not fixed much of any of the problems.  So again tell me how my words say anything about the ballot process in the mailing of ballots in any supporting counties, be they Democratic, Republican, Green, Independent, Constitutional party, Working families Party, Liberterian, or Reform party amongst all of them.  

I agree !   and I want to have the same exposure as well !    Rumak for president !   hell, i'm 70 years old and in a lot better shape then those two.    I am sure with a week or two of lying lessons I can compete with them.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m waiting to hear a rightwing ‘idea’ that isn’t rooted in fear, hate or spite.

 

Go on challenge me, give me a ‘rightwing idea’ you think has some value to all.

 

 

OK. How about "judge a person by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin"?

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Are the believers of Qanon and conspiracy theories examples of conservatives better coping skills?

Exceptions don't disprove the general rule. Qanan I don't honestly know much about, conspiracy theories find comfortable homes in both sides of the political spectrum. 

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exceptions don't disprove the general rule. Qanan I don't honestly know much about, conspiracy theories find comfortable homes in both sides of the political spectrum. 

Your latter claim, no. Conspiracy theories have their home in the Trump base.

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

OK. How about "judge a person by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin"?

 

Martin Luther K.ng was right wing?

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exceptions don't disprove the general rule. Qanan I don't honestly know much about, conspiracy theories find comfortable homes in both sides of the political spectrum. 

Another case of bothsidesism. Got any left wing conspiracies equivalent to pizzagate or the belief that elite Democrates draining the blood of children to extract something called adrenochrome. Or the belief that Trump is waging a secret war on pedophiles which is going to end in the incarceration of pretty much the entire Democratic elite? There is nothing on the left that remotely has the reach of Qanon? And we know that because Trump refused to disavow them but rather praised them for fighting pedophilia. Like believing that an online furniture company actually is actually offering children when sale, not furniture.

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't see that among conservatives. We are in a minority and are used to having our ideas challenged, so we develop better coping skills.  I don't think any of my left leaning coworkers are evil or racist or bad people. I think they may be illogical and emotional, but that's as far as it goes. 

Well, it is refreshing to see a conservative admit that they are in the minority and don't constitute a silent majority.

As for left leaning people being illogical and emotional, is that why Democrats dominate in the sciences and in IT? Because they exercise their rationality less?

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

  

 

I work in a field where I would guesstimate that upwards of 80% of my colleagues lean left or far left.  But that's OK.  The problem is that they don't get enough practice actually defending their views- they can happily go through their days without ever hearing a dissenting opinion. As a result, they come to see theirs as the only 'right' opinion to have, and any deviation must therefore be not just wrong but evil.

 I don't see that among conservatives. We are in a minority and are used to having our ideas challenged, so we develop better coping skills.  I don't think any of my left leaning coworkers are evil or racist or bad people. I think they may be illogical and emotional, but that's as far as it goes. 

Does it strike anybody else as strange that an anonymous poster claims a certain authority based on his anonymous survey of anonymous coworkers in  his alleged field of endeavor? It seems that a rational thinker would understand that the very fact of his anonymity would make such claims suspect. And might look to evidence that can be independently examined.  For instance the claim that only 6% of scientists are Republicans:

Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

 

And if someone insists I'm sure I can drum up hard evidence showing that a majority of American conservatives refuse to accept the overwhelming scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change. Because, you know, conservatives are so rational.

 

 

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Exceptions don't disprove the general rule. Qanan I don't honestly know much about, conspiracy theories find comfortable homes in both sides of the political spectrum. 

Disturbingly, Qanon believers are not a fringe element among Republicans.   https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/02/majority-of-republicans-believe-the-qanon-conspiracy-theory-is-partly-or-mostly-true-survey-finds/?sh=14d3f45d5231

 

I know of no political conspiracy theories, ones such as the Obama birther nonsense, that are as popular on the left as they are on the right.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Does it strike anybody else as strange that an anonymous poster claims a certain authority based on his anonymous survey of anonymous coworkers in  his alleged field of endeavor? It seems that a rational thinker would understand that the very fact of his anonymity would make such claims suspect. And might look to evidence that can be independently examined.  For instance the claim that only 6% of scientists are Republicans:

Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

 

And if someone insists I'm sure I can drum up hard evidence showing that a majority of American conservatives refuse to accept the overwhelming scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change. Because, you know, conservatives are so rational.

 

 

Around 60% of Republicans are also creationists.

On 10/28/2020 at 7:19 PM, Tippaporn said:

That's how you turn a state from red to blue.  You institute such horrible policies in blue states which then drive even liberals out.  Those liberals migrate to red states which are run much better and are therefore attractive  But the liberals end up bringing all their bad policies with them and destroy the red state.  Don't believe me?  Look at Colorado.  Just talked to a friend of mine over the weekend whose been living in Colorado for almost 40 years and he's described how badly the state has changed.

Ding ding, we have a winner.  Most states would appreciate the social justice warriors just stay in their home states and live with their choices.  LOL

 

 

On 10/28/2020 at 7:25 PM, Tug said:

The stock market isent the whole economy and it tanked big time today it was a slaughter also keep in mind what the Obama Biden administration inherited from bush rember?i do and they got us going again till trump wrecked it again with his tax cuts to the rich that’s the money you see sloshing around in the stock market imo no sir I trust TEAM Biden to stop the bleeding not trump 

 

You should lose your fear of the stock market, It will make you a millionaire.  Add real estate to that list as well.

 

 

1 hour ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Ding ding, we have a winner.  Most states would appreciate the social justice warriors just stay in their home states and live with their choices.  LOL

 

Trolling much? A silly and unproveable assertion. We do know that Texas has actively courted California based companies. Former governor Rick Perry himself openly did so.

1 hour ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

You should lose your fear of the stock market, It will make you a millionaire.  Add real estate to that list as well.

 

 

It's true that the stock market has been on a steady upward climb since January 2009. (Thanks Obama) Clearly much of that was influenced by the huge tax cuts on corporate dividends in the Trump administration. But its percentage gains are way out of step with the relatively constrained grown of the economy either under Obama or Trump.

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Exceptions don't disprove the general rule. Qanan I don't honestly know much about, conspiracy theories find comfortable homes in both sides of the political spectrum. 

What conspiracy theories do the left espouse?  I've got a looooong list from the right.  Including the award winner, Q.  Stunning so many conservatives fall for this BS.

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

OK. How about "judge a person by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin"?

Yep, except for that’s a widely held view but not supported by the many racists who inhabit the rightwing.

53 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

What conspiracy theories do the left espouse?  I've got a looooong list from the right.  Including the award winner, Q.  Stunning so many conservatives fall for this BS.

It's just another case of both-sidesism. You know, like saying Trump and Biden are equally bad therefore it makes no difference who you vote for. It's fake non-partisanship meant to detoxify support for Trump.

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, except for that’s a widely held view but not supported by the many racists who inhabit the rightwing.

Which side does Antifa and blm lean towards.

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Which side does Antifa and blm lean towards.

Which side supports the KKK?  Proud Boys?  Boogaloo?  And publicly announces support for them? 

 

Right....blame Antifa and BLM.  Wasn't that a right wing nut who killed someone in Wisconsin?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

 

Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

 

As Trump rails against ‘far-left’ fascism, new database shows leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists

Please stay on topic.  

 

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Which side supports the KKK?  Proud Boys?  Boogaloo?  And publicly announces support for them? 

 

Right....blame Antifa and BLM.  Wasn't that a right wing nut who killed someone in Wisconsin?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

 

Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

 

As Trump rails against ‘far-left’ fascism, new database shows leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists

I asked a simple question, but some are unable to think without getting emotional. Folks can't continue burning and looting without retaliation.

 

Now get back to the subject.

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I asked a simple question, but some are unable to think without getting emotional. Folks can't continue burning and looting without retaliation.

 

Now get back to the subject.

Agreed!  Nor can militias go around armed to the teeth intimidating others.  Without retaliation.

 

Remember South Carolina?

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22700465/charlottesville-anniversary-race-america/

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Which side does Antifa and blm lean towards.

In asking this loaded question you are likening Antifa to BLM. Which is ridiculous. Antifa in the USA isn't even an organization and those who claim to act in its name are a vanishingly small number.  So who they may or may not support is insignificant. That said, given their political philosophy it's doubtful that they support either. Have you seen any of them waving political banners in support of Biden or Trump? Got some polling data to share with us?

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Which side does Antifa and blm lean towards.

Neither of which are racist.

 

Next.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I asked a simple question, but some are unable to think without getting emotional. Folks can't continue burning and looting without retaliation.

 

Now get back to the subject.

Nuff said.  Trump supporters are violent.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-camp-cancels-austin-texas-event-after-pro-trump-ambush-on-campaign-bus

 

Biden Team Cancels Texas Event After Highway ‘Ambush’ by MAGA Cavalry

 

“These Trump supporters, many of whom were armed, surrounded the bus on the interstate and attempted to drive it off the road,” he alleged. “They outnumbered police 50-1, and they ended up hitting a staffer’s car.”