Trump does not plan to concede any time soon, aides and allies indicate

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Could be you don't know how the outlets actually determine when they make a call. A team of experts determine from what is remaining to count, where they are from and type of ballot. They wait until the surety is 99.7%

But . . . but . . . HILLARY'S EMAILS! And Russian hoax! I'm REALLY looking forward to the Mueller report finally being brought forth into the light of day because Billy Barr can't keep it under a rock any more. By the way, where has that miscreant got to?

[EVENKEEL]

Votes are still being counted. Get over it.

[Phoenix Rising]

25 minutes ago, connda said:

 There is still a muck-filled swamp out there in America that desperately needs drained because the US is looking more and more like a tin-pot third-world nation than the supposedly 'greatest nation on Earth.' 

And that swamp was filled to the brim with vile creatures during the last 4 years, with the swamp king himself trying desperately (and still at it) to turn himself into a dictator of a failed nation.

What a great relief if was that trump lost the election/referendum on trump and the best of luck to President-Elect Biden and his monumental task of trying to undo some of the enormous damage trump has caused during a presidency that will forever live in infamy.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted. Get over it.

There is a recurring theme of resisting logic, facts and truth amongst 45 supporters.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, n00dle said:

The image of the usa worldwide.

 

Guy on the barn door was a little late there.

It's relative. The U.S. system, a very old democratic constitutional  republic has been (yes I said has) an excellent example to the world in our remarkable record of peaceful transition of power after elections. Even in the (last?) civil war! The fact that the current president is assaulting that great tradition makes my blood boil. It's not an exaggeration to say that he's inciting civil war. And for what? Preservation of his bizarre psychological ego issues of being unable to accept loss and yes, more understandably to avoid prosecution and prison. Also having to face entities like Deutschebank finally calling in his massive debts (which they can't easily do as long as he's president).  I'm sorry. One man's selfish interest is not worth destroying a nation no matter if some people like his so called policies (whatever they are this week). 

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, J Town said:

But . . . but . . . HILLARY'S EMAILS! And Russian hoax! I'm REALLY looking forward to the Mueller report finally being brought forth into the light of day because Billy Barr can't keep it under a rock any more. By the way, where has that miscreant got to?

He's probably hiding under the same rock he put the unredacted Mueller report. Just follow the leash that's affixed to trump's hand.

[n00dle]

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's fine if Biden wins, but shouldn't the votes be counted before you announce a winner. 

 

Im astonished by what seems to be a sudden inability to accept what has been com on practice in us elections.

 

A call is made when it is not possible for one candidate to make up ground with the reamining uncounted votes.

 

A winner is called, that does not mean the final votes will not be counted, it means that they will make little difference once they are.

 

Why so hard to comprehend?

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Votes are still being counted. Get over it.

If that's the best you can do as a response - you're coming the raw prawn. Just wondering how you did in your high school debating class.

 

[n00dle]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's relative. The U.S. system, a very old constitutional  republic has been (yes I said has) an excellent example to the world in our remarkable record of peaceful transition of power after elections. Even in the civil war! The fact that the current president is assaulting that great tradition makes my blood boil. It's not an exaggeration to say that he's inciting civil war. And for what? Preservation of his bizarre psychological ego issues of being unable to accept loss and yes, more understandably to avoid prosecution and prison. I'm sorry. One man's selfish interest is not worth destroying a nation no matter if some people like his so called policies.

Yet here we are.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, n00dle said:

 

Im astonished by what seems to be a sudden inability to accept what has been com on practice in us elections.

 

A call is made when it is not possible for one candidate to make up ground with the reamining uncounted votes.

 

A winner is called, that does not mean the final votes will not be counted, it means that they will make little difference once they are.

 

Why so hard to comprehend?

It's not difficult to comprehend, Trump supporters just don't want to acknowledge it.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, n00dle said:

Yet here we are.

It is what it is?

[jvs]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

FTR seeing the reaction to these issues, I want to see a full audit for each and every vote. Regardless of the media rage and how long it takes.

Sorry J Town,something wrong with the quote,i want to answer TopdeadSenter,

I absolutely agree with you 100% !!!!Recount each and every vote,multiple times if needed.

Lets put a time limit on it,one month at the most?

The result will be the same,Trump has lost and Biden will be the next president.

Can you accept that or are you going to come up with something else?

This voting process has been used for a very long time,is there something wrong with it?

Trump had four years to change it and now he whines about it?

I have seen the silliest excuses from Trump followers,among the words used are ,treason,stealing,fraud and corruption.

To those who are saying they believe God puts people in power and there fore Trump is the chosen one,if that is true than God has changed his mind.The new chosen one is Joe Biden!

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, true dat. and he even might be deserving of some sympathy if he hadn't so badly behaved for like, his entire life.

Karma is a bitch, isn't it?

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

To those who are saying they believe God puts people in power and there fore Trump is the chosen one,if that is true than God has changed his mind.The new chosen one is Joe Biden!

George Bernard Shaw said God is on the side of the big battalions. Or in this case, voters.

[RanongCat]

Very sad. USA so angry and behind still C-19 not  caring . Bowling game a popular game. Trump plays a gutter ball and wants to say he  tossed a  strike?  wow!

Goolyarny lawyer makes  noises  about  not  playing with himself but  so why  not able to have  his movie scene  deleted.Not want him  to  negotiate  a contractt   for me !

 

[ChouDoufu]

my, what a small man.....

 

GSA official in charge of handing transition resources to Biden isn't budging

 

WASHINGTON - A Trump administration appointee is refusing to sign a letter allowing President-elect Joe Biden's transition team to formally begin its work this week, in another sign the incumbent president has not acknowledged Biden's victory and could disrupt the transfer of power.

 

The administrator of the General Services Administration, the low-profile agency in charge of federal buildings, has a little-known role when a new president is elected: to sign paperwork officially turning over millions of dollars, as well as giving access to government officials, office space and equipment authorized for the taxpayer-funded transition teams of the winner.

 

It amounts to a formal declaration by the federal government, outside of the media, of the winner of the presidential race.

 

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/GSA-official-in-charge-of-handing-transition-15711620.php

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

They did exactly the same for Trump in 2016. Did you complain about it?

Yes. Exactly. And 45 won with 306 votes and a minority of popular votes. Biden is on a likely path to the exact same 306 and massive popular vote lead. To add humor to this tragedy, 45 called that win a landslide. It was not. He just lies and lies and lies. Why anyone still believes anything out of his mouth is remarkable. 

[wabothai]

......................."but he still loves you"

G. Carlin on religion

[onthedarkside]

A post with a news report linking back to the UK Daily Mail has been removed, as the Daily Mail is not considered a credible source for this forum.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

 

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, cmarshall said:

 

Be serious.  Where was the constitutional crisis when the Supreme Court executed a judicial coup to steal the election for Bush in 2000?   You have to understand that the Republican Party since Gingrich has been committed to a strategy of minority rule since the electorate overwhelmingly supports a progressive agenda while the Rs support only the wealthy donor class.  The Rs need to find a president who can persuade the voters to vote against their own interests.  Bush was able to do that.  McCain and Romney couldn't.  Then along comes Trump whom they despise, but once he shows that he can win, then they are on the bandwagon full stop.  In addition, they rely on voter suppression, voter id laws, bogus claims of voting fraud, and gerrymandering to disenfranchise the majority which is carried out at every level of the R party from the counties and states to Congress to the Supreme Court.  Do you see any evidence of an interest in democracy here.  I don't.  Democracy is the Republicans' enemy.

 

As I said in my post, I don't think Trump's strategy is likely to work now since Biden will have 306 electoral votes which would make the coup much more difficult to pull off.  If the ev count between Trump and Biden were a lot closer and if Fox News and the Republicans in Congress were screaming "stop the steal" at the top of their lungs, and if hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts with AR-15s were marching across the country, then they would have had a good chance of pulling it off.  But that hasn't happened, so I think it will fail.  The Republicans would do that and more to steal the election if they could get away with it.

I am being serious. The Supreme Court in 2000 ruled on one disputed result, in one state, which changed the result. That judgement was accepted by the loser.

 

Were the Republican Party to engage in the shenanigans which you described, in multiple States, to set the scene for the selection process which you describe it would involve overturning both a significant electoral college lead and a significant majority in the popular vote. Whilst the likes of Gingrich and McConnell may be prepared to do so, and brazen it out, I expect many others in the party would not. It would for many ambitious politicians, be tantamount to a political suicide note, and I don't think that they would do that for Trump.

[johnmcc6]

What is you anti Trumpers can't get trough your thick skulls. The election has not been called?? There IS NO WINNER YET!

[FritsSikkink]

13 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Hopefully everybody agrees the election result must be seen as legitimate. Proper investigations into Trump's claims must be made, and fast. If, as he claims, there is enough fraudulent/irregular activities to swap tightly fought state results from Dem to GOP then he could be elected President. More than a few dozen instances of fraud then a full audit of every vote nationwide must be done to ascertain the scale of wrongdoing. After the Russia fiasco we know the left take alleged election interference seriously enough to waste many years over. A full audit now would only take a few days.

 Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Let him come with some proof first.

[connda]

Sad that we live in a world where deceit and deception are rife across political divides. 
So many people believe that the ends justifies the means.  It does not.
Here's the bottom line regarding the current state of the presidential elections:
State legislatures and the Electoral College are the bodies that certify presidential elections <period>. 

Come January 20, 2021 we should know who the POTUS is. Until then?  If it's not official then it's just as fake at that headline you pointed out to me.  Moral relativity doesn't make a fake headline wrong and a fake proclamation of presidential election results right.  At best, the media statements are their own projections and nothing more.
So - let's wait and see.

[FritsSikkink]

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

. And one thing Trump does not do, is run from trouble.

He ran from the Vietnam war.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

Sad that we live in a world where deceit and deception are rift across political divides. 
So many people believe that the ends justifies the means.  It does not.
Here's the bottom line regarding the current state of the presidential elections:
State legislatures and the Electoral College are the bodies that certify presidential elections <period>. 

Come January 20, 2021 we should know who the POTUS is. Until then?  If it's not official then it's just as fake at that headline you pointed out to me.  Moral relativity doesn't make a fake headline wrong and a fake proclamation of presidential election results right.  At best, the media statements are their own projections and nothing more.
So - let's wait and see.

As commented before, I don't think you showed the same concern about Trump, who was called by media on 8 November 2016.

[jvs]

4 minutes ago, johnmcc6 said:

What is you anti Trumpers can't get trough your thick skulls. The election has not been called?? There IS NO WINNER YET!

What is it with you Trumpers,can you not get it trough you thick skulls Joe Biden won with

a majority of votes?There is a winner already!

Just accept it and learn to live with it!

 

[cmarshall]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

Ok. Then what crimes were you referring to their father pardoning them for?

 

When Trump pardons Kushner the pardon will read, like Ford's pardon of Nixon, "for any crimes he has committed or may have committed..." against the United States.  So, it is not necessary to specify the crimes being pardoned.

 

Kushner perjured himself many times when applying for security clearance at the White House.  He violated the Hatch Act by negotiating with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak during the 2016 campaign promising the Russian a "good deal."  He attempted to set up a secret communications link through the Russian Embassy during the campaign.  While serving as an advisor to President Trump he was attempting to arrange private loans from a sanctioned Russian bank and from the Chinese.  He pushed for the blockade of Qatar by the US military after the Qatari government refused to give a loan to the Kushner family business.  Conspired with Mohammed bin Salman in the assassination of Jamal Kashoggi.  And on and on.  

 

Ivanka committed real estate fraud in the marketing of the failed Trump Soho Hotel.  And no doubt other crimes you can research on your own.

[connda]

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Hopefully everybody agrees the election result must be seen as legitimate. Proper investigations into Trump's claims must be made, and fast. If, as he claims, there is enough fraudulent/irregular activities to swap tightly fought state results from Dem to GOP then he could be elected President. More than a few dozen instances of fraud then a full audit of every vote nationwide must be done to ascertain the scale of wrongdoing. After the Russia fiasco we know the left take alleged election interference seriously enough to waste many years over. A full audit now would only take a few days.

 Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

 

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Let him come with some proof first.

His lawyers are on it.  Until then, kick back with some popcorn and relax. 
And while relaxing both sides should do some soul-searching.  How are you personally going to react if US court decisions or a decision by the US Supreme Court doesn't turn out in the manner that you wish?  Will you accept the results gracefully or attempt to burn the house down while advocating for the destruction of the system and whomever enters the Oval Office?
 

 

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

I seem to remember posters on here arguing for the exact thing after Trump won in 2016.

I don't remember - or more accurately don't know, although I am perfectly prepared to accept that there were.

 

Does that make it acceptable then?

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

But . . . but . . . HILLARY'S EMAILS! And Russian hoax! I'm REALLY looking forward to the Mueller report finally being brought forth into the light of day because Billy Barr can't keep it under a rock any more. By the way, where has that miscreant got to?

One hears that he is believed to be searching for a really big rock to hide himself under, in the hope that everyone will forget about him.