UK PM Johnson's Brexit 'brain' Cummings to leave Downing Street

[Surelynot]

Johnson points to door for Cummings.........but this leaves Johnson completely clueless and helpless...Gove will be salivating.....just waiting for the initial Brexit fiasco to settle then he can move in for the kill.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Surelynot

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

Not true. It was Tory rebels that voted against May's deal, including Johnson. We would have left 18 months earlier and a lot more smoothly had they not voted against the government.

 

 

Courtesy of wiki.

 

Voting against the deal were 118 Conservative MPs, 248 Labour MPs, all 35 SNP MPs, all 11 Liberal Democrat MPs, all 10 DUP MPs, all 4 Plaid Cymru MPs, the sole Green MP, and 5 independent MPs. The three Labour MPs who voted for the deal were Ian Austin, Kevin Barron, and John Mann.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Not true. It was Tory rebels that voted against May's deal, including Johnson.

 

   This is not a Conservative/Labour issue  , this is a Leaver/Remainer issue as people from both Parties were on different sides of the Brexit groups .

   Some Conservatives wanted to remain, some Labour wanted to leave .

[Surelynot]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   This is not a Conservative/Labour issue  , this is a Leaver/Remainer issue as people from both Parties were on different sides of the Brexit groups .

   Some Conservatives wanted to remain, some Labour wanted to leave .

Three

[poohy]

Great news 

He's a loathsome creature just a shame he wasn't shot on the way out  as well

 

I must qualify i hate Boris as well  hes just not competent as PM as we have seen this year!

 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Courtesy of wiki.

 

Voting against the deal were 118 Conservative MPs, 248 Labour MPs, all 35 SNP MPs, all 11 Liberal Democrat MPs, all 10 DUP MPs, all 4 Plaid Cymru MPs, the sole Green MP, and 5 independent MPs. The three Labour MPs who voted for the deal were Ian Austin, Kevin Barron, and John Mann.

If the 118 conservative MPs had obeyed the whip it would have passed

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

If the 118 conservative MPs had obeyed the whip it would have passed

 

  Do you consider things logically, or just look for a way to blame other people who have a differing political outlook to yourself ?

[pkrv]

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

First thing I agree with on, you are correct, I believe in democracy.

 

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

If the 118 conservative MPs had obeyed the whip it would have passed

Ah democracy ????

Edited November 14, 2020 by pkrv

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

If the 118 conservative MPs had obeyed the whip it would have passed

If I'd have caught the number 9 bus I wouldn't have been late for work.

Parliament is made up of more than Tory MPs, especially at that time. You don't think that Labour et al had any role in the future of our country or was it all about bringing the government down. Their dishonesty will/have cost them dearly.

[polpott]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Do you consider things logically, or just look for a way to blame other people who have a differing political outlook to yourself ?

I consider things logically. Logic dictates that if all conservative MPs had voted for May's deal, including Johnson, it would have passed and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, poohy said:

Great news 

He's a loathsome creature just a shame he wasn't shot on the way out  as well

 

I must qualify i hate Boris as well  hes just not competent as PM as we have seen this year!

 

Who would have thought a third rate journalist, liar, cheat and a buffoon would not have made a first class PM????

[polpott]

Just now, vogie said:

If I'd have caught the number 9 bus I wouldn't have been late for work.

Parliament is made up of more than Tory MPs, especially at that time. You don't think that Labour et al had any role in the future of our country or was it all about bringing the government down. Their dishonesty will/have cost them dearly.

As I pointed out, it was the Tory government that brought the Tory government down.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

I consider things logically. Logic dictates that if all conservative MPs had voted for May's deal, including Johnson, it would have passed and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

 

   And what would have happened had all Labour M.P's voted for the deal ?

[pkrv]

Just now, Surelynot said:

Who would have thought a third rate journalist, liar, cheat and a buffoon would not have made a first class PM????

It is an unfortunate fact of life that many totally unsuited to roles of power are able to ascend to such positions.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   And what would have happened had all Labour M.P's voted for the deal ?

Nothing. The Tories had the majority in parliament. Up to them to vote for the deal that their own prime minister negotiated. With hindsight, a far better deal than anything we are now likely to get.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, pkrv said:

It is an unfortunate fact of life that many totally unsuited to roles of power are able to ascend to such positions.

Especially in the Tory party where the key is who your parents are and who you went to school with.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

As I pointed out, it was the Tory government that brought the Tory government down.

And it was Cummins that gave the Tory government the majority it has now.

Three leading Labour MPs have spoken to Starmer about appologising to the leavers for the mess they created during the lead up to the 2019 GE, why don't you be a better man and start the ball rolling on here and start appologising for all the damage that the remainers have done.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I think we can safely say without fear of contradiction that without the undemocratic actions of the remainers that It would not have taken "years"

 

'We' can safely say anything, that does not make it true. But if you mean 'we, leavers, who as a group went into this without knowing what we wanted, with great difference in our wishes amongst ourselves, who keep blaming others for our failures, who even now don't have a cl;ear path forward' yes, I think you could safely say 'we'.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Especially in the Tory party where the key is who your parents are and who you went to school with.

And how wealthy your backers are. Johnson had a group of extremely wealthy backers who demanded a no deal Brexit, which would crash the economy and make them even wealthier. They are now insisting on their pound of flesh.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Nothing. The Tories had the majority in parliament. Up to them to vote for the deal that their own prime minister negotiated. With hindsight, a far better deal than anything we are now likely to get.

 

   Really, nothing would have happened if all Labour had voted for the deal ?

  Surely something would have happened had all Labour M.P's voted for the deal .

   Wouldnt the UK had left on Mays terms , if all Labour had voted for the deal ?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

'We' can safely say anything, that does not make it true. But if you mean 'we, leavers, who as a group went into this without knowing what we wanted, with great difference in our wishes amongst ourselves, who keep blaming others for our failures, who even now don't have a cl;ear path forward' yes, I think you could safely say 'we'.

Gobbledgook.

[Surelynot]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

And it was Cummins that gave the Tory government the majority it has now.

What a ludicrous statement.

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

And it was Cummins that gave the Tory government the majority it has now.mmings and is puppet

Three leading Labour MPs have spoken to Starmer about appologising to the leavers for the mess they created during the lead up to the 2019 GE, why don't you be a better man and start the ball rolling on here and start appologising for all the damage that the remainers have done.

Because, as I have explained, it was the Tories that did the damage. The Labour Party imploded and only succeeded in damaging themselves. Just as with Cummings and his puppet Johnson, the real architect of Labour's demise wasn't Corbyn but Jon Lansman.

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Really, nothing would have happened if all Labour had voted for the deal ?

  Surely something would have happened had all Labour M.P's voted for the deal .

   Wouldnt the UK had left on Mays terms , if all Labour had voted for the deal ?

The conservatives had the majority, it was a conservative government and a conservative deal. Up to the Tories to vote their own deal in. Own it.

[sandyf]

We all know what a government denial means.

 

Mr Cummings’ departure was “probably the sign that Johnson has begun his U-turn and will in the end accept EU conditions" for a trade deal, said Phillippe Lambert, who sat on the European Parliament’s Brexit committee.

But the claim was rubbished by the prime minister’s spokesman, who said: “Absolutely not. That is simply false. The government’s position in relation to the future trade agreement negotiations is unchanged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-resigns-no-10-boris-johnson-b1722650.html

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

We all know what a government denial means.

 

Mr Cummings’ departure was “probably the sign that Johnson has begun his U-turn and will in the end accept EU conditions" for a trade deal, said Phillippe Lambert, who sat on the European Parliament’s Brexit committee.

But the claim was rubbished by the prime minister’s spokesman, who said: “Absolutely not. That is simply false. The government’s position in relation to the future trade agreement negotiations is unchanged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-resigns-no-10-boris-johnson-b1722650.html

Unchanged as in...there will be no compromise on fishing.......... as has been promised all along?

[pkrv]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Gobbledgook.

Gobbledygook

Can you say "deflection"? ????

 

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

19 minutes ago, polpott said:

I consider things logically. Logic dictates that if all conservative MPs had voted for May's deal, including Johnson, it would have passed and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

 

   And what would have happened had all Labour M.P's voted for the deal ?

 

And what possible merit does your preposterous, 'it could never happen in a month of Sundays' postulation on Labour voting for the deal bring to this morning's washing machine?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

The conservatives had the majority, it was a conservative government and a conservative deal. Up to the Tories to vote their own deal in. Own it.

 

  If Labour would have voted for the deal, it would then have had the majority and it would have passed .

   Anyway, this wasnt a Labour/Conservative issue , it was about leave or remain and it was a cross party issue

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

And what possible merit does your preposterous, 'it could never happen in a month of Sundays' postulation on Labour voting for the deal bring to this morning's washing machine?

 

  Pardon