Scotland's Sturgeon hints at legal move if independence vote blocked

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

I wouldn't even dream of taking you off ignore, same as I wouldn't with that other one that is on ignore.

 

I won't even mention his name, as he will report it as a personal attack

 

 

  Oh OK, nice to speak to you again anyway ,probably speak to you again in six months time  or so .

  Take care of yourself and have a nice Christmas 

[Susco]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

I thought you had me on ignore too.????????????

 

 

Don't worry you are, and I'm sure I'm only one of the many, but I have that sixth sense that tells me when someone makes a baiting reply to a post of me, and that's when I select "show this post"

 

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

Twist the figures as much as you like but more people voted leave than remain, and oh this is not another Brexit thread for you to derail.

 

It wasn't me who said 40% when the actual number is known to be 38%, so who's twisting the numbers?

 

And yes this thread is related to Brexit, because Brexit is the ONLY reason why Scotland demands another independence vote, but the Brexiteers who won with just over 50% of course prefer to reject the same rights to Scotland, which they claim from the EU.

 

 

 

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Susco said:

It wasn't me who said 40% when the actual number is known to be 38%, so who's twisting the numbers?

 

Are you deliberately being pedantic here, I said nearly 40%, are you saying that 40% is not nearly 38%, help me out here.

42 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nearly 40% of Scots voted for Brexit as well

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by vogie

[RuamRudy]

8 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes, and then immediately change the rules so it can never be changed back, regardless of what the people might want in the future!

Over 60 countries have been fortunate enough to escape the parasitic clutches of the British Empire in the past hundred years - none have asked to return. 

[RuamRudy]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Get your own one liners dude, stop stealing mine.

 

And if you think a glorified trading bloc is the same as a sovereign nation, well, I'll be polite and suggest you do some reading up on that subject chum.

 

There's no reason to allow a minority of nationalist extremists to keep voting on this subject again and again when their fellow countrymen have already decided to remain in the UK.

 

Sturgeon can scowl and stomp her feet all she likes. She had her chance and lost. It's a very handy deflection away from her poor record on things like health, education and COVID though.????

 

Not true - you may not like it, but the majority of Scots voted Yes in 2014. The majority of Scotland's residents, Scots and new Scots are now of the opinion that the union is a disaster for Scotland and now back its independence. It is coming.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Patts said:

Might want to check your facts before posting nonsense.

 

"Tax revenue generated in Scotland amounts to about £66 billion, including North Sea oil revenue, but it benefits from about £81 billion in public spending. That means Scotland benefits from £15 billion more than it puts in. This is possible because the UK pools and shares resources across the entire country." Infact England contributes approximately 85% of the entire UK's GDP

The issue is that this spend you refer to - we don't get to choose how or where the majority goes and on what. In fact, the accounts which show where that money is spent are so byzantine and obfuscated that it is often impossible to more than estimate both income and expenditure. 

 

We do know, however, that in that £81 billion includes charges for HS2, Crossrail, London sewer upgrades and other NIPs which offer no benefit to Scotland and which do not impact the Barnett formula.

[Susco]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are you deliberately being pedantic here, I said nearly 40%, are you saying that 40% is not nearly 38%, help me out here.

 

Well, maybe you want to help me out.

 

Are you saying that 48.11% is not more nearly to 50%, than 38% is to 40%

 

 

Over and out

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Well, maybe you want to help me out.

 

Are you saying that 48.11% is not more nearly to 50%, than 38% is to 40%

 

 

Over and out

Just to clarify what I said, 38% can be described as 40% when the word 'nearly' is used, got it now?

Edited December 1, 2020 by vogie

[Susco]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

9 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Well, maybe you want to help me out.

 

Are you saying that 48.11% is not more nearly to 50%, than 38% is to 40%

 

 

Over and out

Just to clarify what I said, 38% can be described as 40% when the word 'nearly' is used, got it now?

 

 

Yes  I got it long time ago that you ignore answering sensitive question, in about every topic you are involved in, and that is why you are on ignore.

 

Got it now?

Edited December 1, 2020 by Susco

[vogie]

Just now, Susco said:

 

 

Yes  I got it long time ago that you ignore sensitive question, in about every topic you are involved in, and that is why you are on ignore.

 

Got it now?

No peeking now.????????????

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   ????  You took me off ignore, just to tell me that you have me on ignore ???? 

Strange. I had forgotten that name as it is on my ignore list. 

[puipuitom]

10 hours ago, wombat said:

Is this where you keep voting untill you get the result you want?

Complete new situation = departure against the majority of the Scots is a very good reason for a new referendum, as the situation has changed so dramatically.  How Boris wants to stop the Scots ( and the Northern Irish, maybe even the Welch)? Sending in the troops ? Lord Kitchiner passed away already a century ago. Same Lord French.

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

Nobody has ever told Scotland what to do, the Scots themselves have chosen to stay within the UK, those are the facts, I'm sorry if it hurts you so much to face them.

chosen to stay within the UK, ... as a part of the EU.   Now the UK left the EU, completely against the will of the Scots, it's a new ballgame. therefore 58% of the Scots are in favour of independance.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

chosen to stay within the UK, ... as a part of the EU.   Now the UK left the EU, completely against the will of the Scots, it's a new ballgame. therefore 58% of the Scots are in favour of independance.

I hate to be the harbinger of doom but just because some Scots want separation doesn't automatically mean they want to join the EU.

[Susco]

37 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Strange. I had forgotten that name as it is on my ignore list. 

 

Of course you put me on ignore because I declared you the laughingstock of the world, when you repeatedly claimed that XRP would be worth $100 by the end of this year.

 

Any update on that?

 

 

 

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

How then can Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland compete as independent and sovereign nations in international sporting events? I don't see Cataluna or Corsica do that.

 

Because FIFA isn't a member of the United Nations.

[Patts]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

We do know, however, that in that £81 billion includes charges for HS2, Crossrail, London sewer upgrades and other NIPs which offer no benefit to Scotland and which do not impact the Barnett formula.

Utter rubbish! You might want to read this before spouting such nonsense:

 

https://www.snp.org/higher-standard-of-living-scotland-tax/

Edited December 1, 2020 by Patts

[RuamRudy]

54 minutes ago, Patts said:

Utter rubbish! You might want to read this before spouting such nonsense:

 

https://www.snp.org/higher-standard-of-living-scotland-tax/

 

Be specific. What is rubbish about my post? Which parts are nonsense? Why did you post a completely unrelated list of SNP accomplishments to try to back up your post (hint: they are unrelated and do not back up your post). 

[Laughing Gravy]

19 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I remember the UK had a once in a lifetime referendum in 1975 that voted to stay part of the EU. Still English nationalists kept bleating. 

Really show me anywhere that said its once a once in a lifetime. . Anyway 43 years is a lifetime for many. So what are you going on about. It was not English nationalists. Many places outside of England wanted a referendum and voted to leave. Either ignorance or arrogance again on your part.

19 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

In the end, you’ll have to accept that the Scottish will do what they want to do

I have no problem with that. the SNP are not all Scotland. What gets me is the reasoning for leaving a 400 old union for one that is not even a tenth of its age.

 

The Scots want independence fine. But you cant have once in a a generation vote every few years as an excuse for another one because you don't like. apiece of policy.

 

If you don't realise Scotland as well as Ireland and northern Ireland have and are been used by the EU as pawns and bargaining chips to firstly keep the UK in the EU, secondly hope it will rejoin on less benefits or thirdly keep the UK from prospering as they will. The foreigners on here don't seem to understand and the Scottish Nationalists are so blinded they can see past their nose.

 

What has Scotland got to offer the EU? Very little. It will be another Albania with a begging bowl. The Scots are in a frenzy in the belief the EU want them. Again what can they contribute other than being a thorn in the UK side.

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, vogie said:

I hate to be the harbinger of doom but just because some Scots want separation doesn't automatically mean they want to join the EU.

Or that the EU would take them.

 

I doubt they're desperate to take on another charity case. They've got enough of them already. Why should they bend their rules to take on a debt ridden little country of 5 Million people? If they do, what sort of terms do the Scots think they're going to be offered by the EU? It's almost worth letting them leave to watch it all unfold ????.

[Rookiescot]

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Or that the EU would take them.

 

I doubt they're desperate to take on another charity case. They've got enough of them already. Why should they bend their rules to take on a debt ridden little country of 5 Million people? If they do, what sort of terms do the Scots think they're going to be offered by the EU? It's almost worth letting them leave to watch it all unfold ????.

 

Scotland has no debt.

The UK however has over 2 trillion pounds of debt.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Scotland has no debt.

The UK however has over 2 trillion pounds of debt.

 

I assume you are aware that Scotland is a part of the UK?

 

If you think you can simply leave without assuming a significant % of that debt you are very much mistaken ????. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

I assume you are aware that Scotland is a part of the UK?

 

If you think you can simply leave without assuming a significant % of that debt you are very much mistaken ????. 

 

Why?

What would Brexitland do if we did just leave and say stick your debt?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Why?

What would Brexitland do if we did just leave and say stick your debt?

 

You been watching BraveHeart again? ????

 

So much fuss over the Internal Market Bill and now you're suggesting Scotland leaves the UK and tells the UK to 'stick it's debt' ????.

 

You're good value, I'll give you that... 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

You been watching BraveHeart again? ????

 

So much fuss over the Internal Market Bill and now you're suggesting Scotland leaves the UK and tells the UK to 'stick it's debt' ????.

 

You're good value, I'll give you that... 

 

 

 

Where is the list of things Brexitland could do if Scotland said stick your debt?

Still being formulated?

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Where is the list of things Brexitland could do if Scotland said stick your debt?

Still being formulated?

Oh sorry, was it a serious question?

 

We'd take you to the International Court of Justice and leave you not only broke, but disgraced.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Oh sorry, was it a serious question?

 

We'd take you to the International Court of Justice and leave you not only broke, but disgraced.

 

The court would be laughing at you. No-where on that debt does the name Scotland appear. 

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

The court would be laughing at you. No-where on that debt does the name Scotland appear. 

 

You're delusional if you think Scotland could walk away from the UK debt free. The only question is how much you'd owe and when you'd repay it.

 

https://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/news-and-opinion/scottish-independence-and-uks-debt-burden

 

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You're delusional if you think Scotland could walk away from the UK debt free. The only question is how much you'd owe and when you'd repay it.

 

https://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/news-and-opinion/scottish-independence-and-uks-debt-burden

 

 

 

Did you read your link?

I suspect not because all it does is outline the mechanism by which debt would be transferred to Scotland after the level of debt had been agreed.

So I am still waiting for you to tell me what Brexitland could do if Scotland said stick your debt.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Did you read your link?

I suspect not because all it does is outline the mechanism by which debt would be transferred to Scotland after the level of debt had been agreed.

So I am still waiting for you to tell me what Brexitland could do if Scotland said stick your debt.

You missed section 2?