Barr says no sign of major U.S. vote fraud as Trump keeps up struggling legal fight

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Barr has resigned...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/us/politics/william-barr-attorney-general.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201214&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=89135733&segment_id=46934&user_id=1fe61b5ff8415d389c86dd3545205a7e

 

 

This AG was a real lulu...

 

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Mr. Barr brought the Justice Department closer to the White House than any attorney general in a half-century. Defying the distance that federal law enforcement officials have typically maintained from campaign politics, Mr. Barr spent the months leading up to the election echoing Mr. Trump’s unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud. He also told an interviewer that the country would be “irrevocably committed to the socialist path” if the president were not re-elected.

 

 

But at this point, you really have to wonder, what kind of schemes Trump might have in mind for the Justice Department during his final month in office.

 

So who's the new acting AG as Trump gets ready to depart?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_A._Rosen

 

On February 19, 2019, President Donald Trump announced his intention to nominate Rosen for the position of United States Deputy Attorney General, succeeding Rod Rosenstein upon his departure from the Department of Justice. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on May 16 by a vote of 52–45.

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His nomination to become the second-highest law enforcement official was unusual, as Rosen had no previous prosecutorial experience.^[6] Attorney General William Barr had urged Trump to choose Rosen as his deputy.^[10] Rosen was sworn in on May 22, 2019."

 

And what's he shown an interest in in the past?

 

In June 2019, Rosen sent a letter to New York state prosecutors inquiring into the case of Paul Manafort and indicating that he would be monitoring where Manafort would be held in custody. Shortly thereafter, federal prison officials informed New York state prosecutors that Manafort would not be held in Rikers Island. Current and former prosecutors described this decision as unusual, because most individuals held in custody while awaiting federal trial are held in Rikers Island, a prison with a reputation for violence and mismanagement.

 

 

[pegman]

As I f things didn't seem nuttie enough already. Then this came out:

 

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/An-ex-cop-held-an-A-C-repairman-at-gunpoint-over-15807503.php

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, pegman said:

As I f things didn't seem nuttie enough already. Then this came out:

 

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/An-ex-cop-held-an-A-C-repairman-at-gunpoint-over-15807503.php

 

That's not just nutty... It's DANGEROUS... A private citizen (fired police captain) running around accosting an innocent party with a gun.  I wonder if Rudy had some affidavits relating to the air con guy's case??? 

 

Meanwhile, no mention in the article of whether the fired police captain and alleged ADW assaulter was legally entitled to be carrying a gun.  But this is Texas, so perhaps, that's beside the point.

 

Hope they put this guy away for a LONG time... He deserves it!

 

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, pegman said:

As I f things didn't seem nuttie enough already. Then this came out:

 

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/An-ex-cop-held-an-A-C-repairman-at-gunpoint-over-15807503.php

And thus the danger of posting fake information on social media outlets, sharing them with others, and actually believing them.

 

Stunning....

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On 12/15/2020 at 1:46 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

This AG was a real lulu...

 

 

 

But at this point, you really have to wonder, what kind of schemes Trump might have in mind for the Justice Department during his final month in office.

 

So who's the new acting AG as Trump gets ready to depart?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_A._Rosen

 

On February 19, 2019, President Donald Trump announced his intention to nominate Rosen for the position of United States Deputy Attorney General, succeeding Rod Rosenstein upon his departure from the Department of Justice. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on May 16 by a vote of 52–45.

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His nomination to become the second-highest law enforcement official was unusual, as Rosen had no previous prosecutorial experience.^[6] Attorney General William Barr had urged Trump to choose Rosen as his deputy.^[10] Rosen was sworn in on May 22, 2019."

 

And what's he shown an interest in in the past?

 

In June 2019, Rosen sent a letter to New York state prosecutors inquiring into the case of Paul Manafort and indicating that he would be monitoring where Manafort would be held in custody. Shortly thereafter, federal prison officials informed New York state prosecutors that Manafort would not be held in Rikers Island. Current and former prosecutors described this decision as unusual, because most individuals held in custody while awaiting federal trial are held in Rikers Island, a prison with a reputation for violence and mismanagement.

 

 

Actually, it looks like even a lowlife like Rosen might have too much integrity for Trump:

 

Trump asking about special prosecutor for Hunter Biden

Trump is still weighing his options, considering whether to pressure Rosen to make the special counsel appointment or, if needed, to replace the acting attorney general with someone more likely to carry out his wishes. He has even asked his team of lawyers, including personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, to look into whether the president has the power to appoint a special counsel himself.

A key question will be whether Rosen can stand up to presidential pressure — and potentially withering attacks — in the waning weeks of the Trump administration.

Trump mulls pressing acting attorney general for special-counsel probe into Hunter Biden - MarketWatch

[Kelsall]

IMO there will be a special prosecutor(s) to look into this whole mess.

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1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

IMO there will be a special prosecutor(s) to look into this whole mess.

Before, when Trump supporters were betting on the courts to back Trump. they were essentially betting against the rationality of the legal system. We know how that turned out. Surprise, surprise.  But because you're counting on the  irrationality of Trump, the odds of your prediction coming true are a lot more favorable.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Kelsall said:

IMO there will be a special prosecutor(s) to look into this whole mess.

Do you mean the mess of a fair, clean election?

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Kelsall said:

IMO there will be a special prosecutor(s) to look into this whole mess.

Agreed!  Barr should be investigated for obstruction of justice and lying to congress for his heavily redacted version of the Mueller report.  Can't wait.

[pegman]

18 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's not just nutty... It's DANGEROUS... A private citizen (fired police captain) running around accosting an innocent party with a gun.  I wonder if Rudy had some affidavits relating to the air con guy's case??? 

 

Meanwhile, no mention in the article of whether the fired police captain and alleged ADW assaulter was legally entitled to be carrying a gun.  But this is Texas, so perhaps, that's beside the point.

 

Hope they put this guy away for a LONG time... He deserves it!

 

I haven't been in Texas for awhile but I thought it was a requirement to carry a gun. This guy is lucky he wasn't murdered like Ahmaud Arbery. The black man in Georgia shot by a former cop for walking in the neighbourhood while black.

[pegman]

18 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

And thus the danger of posting fake information on social media outlets, sharing them with others, and actually believing them.

 

Stunning....

A Hollywood screen writer couldn't make this kind of stuff up. Same with the   militiamen charged today in Michigan for plotting to kidnap the governor. 

[Jeffr2]

41 minutes ago, pegman said:

A Hollywood screen writer couldn't make this kind of stuff up. Same with the   militiamen charged today in Michigan for plotting to kidnap the governor. 

Or this.  Who would have thought supposedly patriotic Americans would do this...or even support it!  Beyond belief.  Trump has changed our country for the worst.  Obviously.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/17/joyce-warshaw-former-kansas-mayor-mask-mandate-threats-sot-vpx-ebof.cnn

Mayor resigns after receiving threats for backing mask mandate

 

Dodge City, Kansas, Mayor Joyce Warsaw said she stepped down from her position after she received threats for supporting a mask mandate amid the Covid-19 pandemic.

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Or this.  Who would have thought supposedly patriotic Americans would do this...or even support it!  Beyond belief.  Trump has changed our country for the worst.  Obviously.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/17/joyce-warshaw-former-kansas-mayor-mask-mandate-threats-sot-vpx-ebof.cnn

Mayor resigns after receiving threats for backing mask mandate

 

Dodge City, Kansas, Mayor Joyce Warsaw said she stepped down from her position after she received threats for supporting a mask mandate amid the Covid-19 pandemic.

Im sure trump has tweeted that is is unacceptable and must stop. Maybe not 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Im sure trump has tweeted that is is unacceptable and must stop. Maybe not 

More like "Stand Back and Stand By!".

 

Terrible president.  Sad some think otherwise.  Luckily, some are making the move:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/14/michigan-congressman-gop-mitchell-445234
 

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Michigan congressman quits GOP over Trump’s election fights

“I’ve had enough,” said Rep. Paul Mitchell, who is becoming an independent in the final weeks of his legislative career.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/12/17/leaving-republican-party-disgraceful-assault-on-election-column/3922686001/

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The GOP has ransacked our Constitution and attempted a coup. The Republican Party of Lincoln is no more. I'm switching my registration to independent.

 

[Sujo]

Im also sure hes been a bit busy giving daily briefings to the publuc about covid safety and the vaccine rollout.

 

On top of that the new russian hacking is a major national security issue. Im sure hes onto it.

 

Whats todays tee time?

[heybruce]

When threatened with legal action for spreading false information, Faux News backed down from its nonsense:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lou-dobbs-airs-segment-refuting-212726652.html

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

When threatened with legal action for spreading false information, Faux News backed down from its nonsense:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lou-dobbs-airs-segment-refuting-212726652.html

Thanks for that.

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Smartmatic demanded a retraction “with the same intensity and level of coverage that you used to defame the company in the first place,” including that it be published on multiple occasions and across network platforms.

Hardly the same intensity yet, but that was to be expected. Too little too late I'm afraid though, the seed has been sown.

[Kelsall]

On 12/2/2020 at 5:11 AM, webfact said:

Barr says no sign of major U.S. vote fraud as Trump keeps up struggling legal fight

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

 

 

 

Well, then, I guess the alleged fraud must be nearly true since almost half the population believes it.

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

 

 

 

Not sure you surprise or just ignorant of the fact that there will always be minorities and majorities in a democracy. 

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Donald Trump Attacks Brad Raffensperger's Brother—He Doesn't Have One

President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Tuesday night to criticize Republican officials in Georgia, including Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger for failing to investigate unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud in the state.

The president also criticized Raffensperger's brother, saying he works for China. However, Raffensperger doesn't have a brother, as many social media users were quick to point out.

Donald Trump Attacks Brad Raffensperger's Brother—He Doesn't Have One (newsweek.com)

[jcsmith]

On 12/24/2020 at 6:45 PM, Kelsall said:

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

83% of the country believes in an invisible man in the sky is listening to their hopes and dreams... 

[bendejo]

What is surprising (well, to me at least) is that they did not manufacture some sort of situation to justify the voter fraud claims.  With the likes of Roger Stone and Bannon in his circle, well, that's what they do.  Or perhaps a firebrand apprentice (no pun intended) of theirs.  It's what Lee Atwater would have done.  Or Roger Ailes.  Maybe Stone realizes he's on thin ice.  Perhaps this level of the Black Arts is a thing of the past, the filth of the Nixon CREEP creeps gone: if you don't know what I'm getting at here's a good place to start

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/07/11/a-short-history-of-campaign-dirty-tricks-before-twitter-and-facebook/

 

If they were going to do it they'd have done it by now.

 

 

[candide]

12 minutes ago, bendejo said:

What is surprising (well, to me at least) is that they did not manufacture some sort of situation to justify the voter fraud claims.  With the likes of Roger Stone and Bannon in his circle, well, that's what they do.  Or perhaps a firebrand apprentice (no pun intended) of theirs.  It's what Lee Atwater would have done.  Or Roger Ailes.  Maybe Stone realizes he's on thin ice.  Perhaps this level of the Black Arts is a thing of the past, the filth of the Nixon CREEP creeps gone: if you don't know what I'm getting at here's a good place to start

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/07/11/a-short-history-of-campaign-dirty-tricks-before-twitter-and-facebook/

 

If they were going to do it they'd have done it by now.

 

 

The truth is that Trump doesn't need to manufacture anything to get the usual suckers to believe his lies.  He only needs to open his big gob or to tweet, and it works. Why make it more complicated when it is not necessary?

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Third and final Georgia audit rejects Trump fraud claims and confirms Biden victory

A signature audit in Georgia has yet again ruled out the allegations of fraud or rigging levelled by President Donald Trump, confirming Joe Biden’s victory in the key state for the third time.

Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger released a statement saying that the signature review in Cobb County found that the elections were not fraudulent and had a 99.99 per cent accuracy rate when it came to performing correct signature verification procedures. Mr Biden won the county by over 12,000 votes.

Third and final Georgia audit rejects Trump fraud claims and confirms Biden victory | The Independent

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Third and final Georgia audit rejects Trump fraud claims and confirms Biden victory

A signature audit in Georgia has yet again ruled out the allegations of fraud or rigging levelled by President Donald Trump, confirming Joe Biden’s victory in the key state for the third time.

Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger released a statement saying that the signature review in Cobb County found that the elections were not fraudulent and had a 99.99 per cent accuracy rate when it came to performing correct signature verification procedures. Mr Biden won the county by over 12,000 votes.

Third and final Georgia audit rejects Trump fraud claims and confirms Biden victory | The Independent

Trump's blasting out tweets claiming voter fraud in GA.  Actually, in all swing states.  Sad some fall for this BS and give him money.

 

I read Trump's super PAC has sent out over 600 emails requesting donations to help the dems from 'stealing' the election.  Suckers...

[Sujo]

On 12/24/2020 at 7:45 PM, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

 

 

 

Which indicates fake news is alive and well.

 

Republicans believe it, dems dont. Why would you be surprised.

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On 12/24/2020 at 6:45 PM, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

I wonder where Raffenberger's brother stands on the issue.

It seems to me that an imaginary problem would have lots of imaginary supporters.

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[simple1]

On 12/24/2020 at 9:45 PM, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

it's a shame trump and his enablers won't be serving jail time for creating such divisiveness in the US i.e. acting contrary to national security, in breach of his Oath of Office.

[ChouDoufu]

On 12/24/2020 at 7:45 PM, Kelsall said:

 

 

Barr can say what he wants, but this from the Washington Post:  "Biden will start his presidency with nearly half the country believing he is not the legitimate occupant of the White House."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-voter-trust/2020/12/20/00282aa6-407a-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

 

 

 

 

 

the number of people who believe a proposition in no way attests to the truth thereof.

 

need evidence, not affidavits.