Millwall boos. Racist?

[champers]

Been looking on their fans forum and most are adamant they are not racist and that the boos are directed at BLM, a political entity whose views they disagree with. The general consensus seems to be "stop the politics and get on with the football".

I could never boo my own team or players but 100% think that people should not be threatened with having an FA investigation if they do, for whatever reason. 

Chelsea are telling fans collecting match tickets that if they boo during the taking a knee their season tickets will be rescinded. That is out of line for me.

Millwall fans have been highlighted by the media but booing protests have also been heard at Reading, Cambridge and Colchester.

Another home match at Millwall tomorrow v QPR who have decided they will all take a knee after declaring it to be optional for players earlier in the season.

[mrbojangles]

I have hated this BLM since it started. If the stadiums had been full all of the time it wouldn't have gone on for long and I knew this was going to happen when fans were to be let back in. BLM are a political organization of whose policies I disagree with. "Kick it out" was doing just fine and we were seeing change. This BLM and kneeling is a step backwards IMO

 

What Chelsea are doing to their fans is wrong and politics should be left out of football. They might get the fans to comply because there are so few of them at the match. Are they saying you can't boo at all? Doubt it, so it wouldn't surprise me if fans decide between themselves to all boo at a specific time during the match.

 

UEFA tried to ban City fans booing at their anthem. Didn't work and City owners didn't try and force the fans to stop either

[RichardColeman]

It is my understanding that the BLM have applied to become a political party in the UK. With that in mind the FA - with politics not allowed in football by Fifa rules -  will have to either stop this kneeling in support of BLM or make it clear that they in no way support the BLM movement politically and racial equality is in no way connected to the BLM.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, champers said:

Been looking on their fans forum and most are adamant they are not racist and that the boos are directed at BLM, a political entity whose views they disagree with. The general consensus seems to be "stop the politics and get on with the football".

I could never boo my own team or players but 100% think that people should not be threatened with having an FA investigation if they do, for whatever reason. 

Chelsea are telling fans collecting match tickets that if they boo during the taking a knee their season tickets will be rescinded. That is out of line for me.

Millwall fans have been highlighted by the media but booing protests have also been heard at Reading, Cambridge and Colchester.

Another home match at Millwall tomorrow v QPR who have decided they will all take a knee after declaring it to be optional for players earlier in the season.

So these Millwall fans are not in favour of putting a stop to discriminatory behaviour... Which is the PRIME OBJECTIVE of BLM .. which makes them what ? Apart from ignorant <deleted>.. which after many years of living near the ground I can endorce that most of them are...   

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3 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

I have hated this BLM since it started. If the stadiums had been full all of the time it wouldn't have gone on for long and I knew this was going to happen when fans were to be let back in. BLM are a political organization of whose policies I disagree with. "Kick it out" was doing just fine and we were seeing change. This BLM and kneeling is a step backwards IMO

 

What Chelsea are doing to their fans is wrong and politics should be left out of football. They might get the fans to comply because there are so few of them at the match. Are they saying you can't boo at all? Doubt it, so it wouldn't surprise me if fans decide between themselves to all boo at a specific time during the match.

 

UEFA tried to ban City fans booing at their anthem. Didn't work and City owners didn't try and force the fans to stop either

Are 'kick it out' doing fine? ..and if they were doing so well  how come this movement got so much.  support.. given the no's of black footballers . How many black managers are there in the prem?.. kic it out became a token gesture.. almost an irrelevance... Token gestures with token results ..media fodder and nothing more

[CorpusChristie]

4 hours ago, champers said:

Chelsea are telling fans collecting match tickets that if they boo during the taking a knee their season tickets will be rescinded. That is out of line for me.

 

   Where did you get that info from ?

Doesnt seem to have been reported anywhere 

[CorpusChristie]

Forcing people to carry out empty gestures in public or they will be accused, suspected of being a racist, which would put them on the peripherals  of society , sounds like fascism to me .

  Americans took the knee when its National Anthem was being played to show opposition to police brutality , the National anthem isnt played at UK sporting events , as police brutality isn't such an issue in the UK , no need to everyone to still keep talking the knee , its now just become an empty gesture which players are required to do , rather then doing it thought choice .

  I do think ALL politics should be kept out of Football , theres only one other time in recent history where I can recall sportsman being required to show support of a political party 

[kingdong]

Having been bought up in south london can only state when it comes to a ruck millwall were never quantity,but always quality,and i used to be a chelsea supporter.can only hope the blm don,t try their protests down the den.

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Forcing people to carry out empty gestures in public or they will be accused, suspected of being a racist, which would put them on the peripherals  of society , sounds like fascism to me .

  Americans took the knee when its National Anthem was being played to show opposition to police brutality , the National anthem isnt played at UK sporting events , as police brutality isn't such an issue in the UK , no need to everyone to still keep talking the knee , its now just become an empty gesture which players are required to do , rather then doing it thought choice .

  I do think ALL politics should be kept out of Football , theres only one other time in recent history where I can recall sportsman being required to show support of a political party 

I took the knee the other night,i dropped a tanner and was looking for it.

[wilai]

Just as it was beginning to become a bit of a token gesture largely ignored by most (Sky Sports excepted), the booing has now brought the 'taking a knee' back into the public eye. If BLM wanted the profile raised, the Millwall fans have certainly helped!????

[SidJames]

How dare they?

Why are they allowed to disagree with an extreme political fascist, racist agenda & then express that disagreement by making a simple sound?

They should be banned then named & shamed so we know who these evil people are that think they have freedom of thought & expression.

What is this world coming to?

Do they not know that grown men who for the most part where not that well educated but can run very fast can cure the world's ills by kneeling down for a few seconds once or twice a week?

 

[SidJames]

We must bow down to these young multi-millionaires & listen to their wisdom

[mr mr]

hashtag oscars too white............... hashtag NBA too black ?  

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I'm an American who supports BLM. Seeing that Target (department store) get looted in Minneapolis really resonated with me. They weren't all black people doing it either, but rather young people of all colors, frustrated with their situation and the indifference. Low salaries, paycheck to paycheck, unable to attain a decent standard of living, while hoping the cops don't mess with you each day. Not advocating looting, but I do understand the frustration.

 

Me and my former fiance used to roam those same red Target aisles. We had an apartment and decent jobs. We tossed those shiny, nice things into the cart without really thinking about it. That was 20 years ago. Since then I lost her, I've been laid off, I've been through crappy jobs. No more tossing into the cart, now it's deciding which food I could go without. Many have lost that standard of living, and it hasn't come back. Part of my reason for coming here to Thailand.

 

Well, now I'm an English football fan and watch the games. When I first saw the going to the knee I was like, hey, way to go. Nice to see the support. Then it dragged on. That Target looting was eight months ago now. It's also since been blown out of proportion. I was watching F1 last week, and saw a racing team with BLM stickers all over their gear, and had clips of the protests interspersed with their racing. Really? How much do these guys really care? The same guys with their champagne and Rolex sponsorships?

 

It's getting out of hand. The initial show of support was appreciated, but now looks a bit insincere. Shameless posturing for some karma points. Time to give it a rest.

[fishtank]

These racist scum should be banned from stadiums for life.

Shocking behaviour .

[champers]

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Where did you get that info from ?

Doesnt seem to have been reported anywhere 

The Millwall forum I read; a Chelsea friend of one of the Millwall posters. Not Reuters I grant you but no reason to disbelieve it.

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, champers said:

The Millwall forum I read; a Chelsea friend of one of the Millwall posters. Not Reuters I grant you but no reason to disbelieve it.

 

   There may be some confusion , confusion with Chelseas policy of banning anyone who participates in racial abuse .

   I dont think that CFC have stated they will ban anyone who boos the knee taking , I am quite sure they havent 

[CorpusChristie]

[mrbojangles]

7 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Are 'kick it out' doing fine? ..and if they were doing so well  how come this movement got so much.  support.. given the no's of black footballers . How many black managers are there in the prem?.. kic it out became a token gesture.. almost an irrelevance... Token gestures with token results ..media fodder and nothing more

 

To me, the fact Kick it Out became an almost irrelevance showed it was working. It's a bit like in-built quality in products. The Quality department are in the spotlight when products are failing. When products are working great because quality is built in, the Quality dep't are almost forgotten about. Same with Kick it Out. Years ago you would hear monkey chants etc, nowadays the fans, never mind the clubs, won't tolerate that kind of behaviour. And when a fan is rarely caught doing racial wrongs, they are rightly banned for life. More can always be done but that surely shows it's working and on the right track. BLM movement and kneeling are taking it off track by causing division.

 

On your other point. Yes, BLM got traction in the UK this year but the cynic in me thinks it may be to do with so many people off work and not in Uni/School/College etc. It gave them something to do in summer but it's started to retract and not so many marches now. In fact I'm struggling to remember the last time I saw a march on the news. I reckon it's a fad in the UK and will fade away. We don't have the Police brutality that they claim to have in the US.

 

IMO, the % game of black players Vs black managers is a different issue and would lead this topic off in a totally different direction to what this thread is about, which is BLM. Open a new topic on that very subject if you wish.

[brewsterbudgen]

Not really surprising from Millwall fans, who are well known for their racism and Nazi affinities. 

[darrendsd]

Not racist - this has been going on for far to long and people are sick of it

 

BLM is itself a racist organization - lot's of people have been hoodwinked by the whole George Floyd/BLM  rubbish portrayed by the MSM however lot's of people have or are starting to see through the MSM agenda

[poohy]

As a Wolves supporter i never thought  would be agreeing with Millwall fans

[CorpusChristie]

The Millwall fans who participated in the booing have stated that it was nothing to do with racism, they said 

"Anyone who believes it was a racist act, should read the views of those who booed and see they were doing it in reaction to the war memorials and statues of Churchill defaced by the BLM organisation and the extreme political views they hold, and for which ‘taking the knee’ is associated with"

   https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/millwall-supporters-club-deny-booing-of-anti-racist-gesture-was-racist-258036

[RickG16]

7 hours ago, champers said:

The Millwall forum I read; a Chelsea friend of one of the Millwall posters. Not Reuters I grant you but no reason to disbelieve it.

I think there is a Reuters reporter waiting to come out in you Champers. I remember your investigation into the UK officials meeting to discuss the proposed Pattaya tram. 

[champers]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Not really surprising from Millwall fans, who are well known for their racism and Nazi affinities. 

And yet ... their fans say that when the National Front were recruiting at football grounds in the 70s and 80s they were given short shrift at the Den and told to keep away or else.

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21 hours ago, champers said:

Been looking on their fans forum and most are adamant they are not racist and that the boos are directed at BLM, a political entity whose views they disagree with. The general consensus seems to be "stop the politics and get on with the football".

I could never boo my own team or players but 100% think that people should not be threatened with having an FA investigation if they do, for whatever reason. 

Chelsea are telling fans collecting match tickets that if they boo during the taking a knee their season tickets will be rescinded. That is out of line for me.

Millwall fans have been highlighted by the media but booing protests have also been heard at Reading, Cambridge and Colchester.

Another home match at Millwall tomorrow v QPR who have decided they will all take a knee after declaring it to be optional for players earlier in the season.

The  ONLY  'views' as you call them of BLM is the promotion of Racial equality   the Millwall fans as you state disagree with that ? Which I can only presume agree with else why post?  But it makes them  what? 

   you say your fed up with politics entering into football   I .. didn't hear you or others on here make a sound when the effectively war endorsing 'let's not forget our heroes' campaign took center stage ..    or our flagrantly  politically aimed national anthem take center and YOU CAN SCREAM ALL you want that they are diferent.   THEY ARE NOT.. whats diferent is that you and the others CHOOSE to accept them and you choose NOT ACCEPT BLM. ...  Which makes you and the others what ?

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, 3 minus 2 said:

The  ONLY  'views' as you call them of BLM is the promotion of Racial equality   t

 

 

 

   So...........why do they give the Black power salute ?

Thats hardly "equality", is it .

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2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   So...........why do they give the Black power salute ?

Thats hardly "equality", is it .

What's your point?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, 3 minus 2 said:

What's your point?

 

  I see no difference between Black supremacists and White supremacists .

We are all just people , as the human race, we need to strive for equality, rather than any racial supremacy 

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1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I see no difference between Black supremacists and White supremacists .

We are all just people , as the human race, we need to strive for equality, rather than any racial supremacy 

As you say Equality IS the issue when it's an even sided arguement as your wording suggests.then it can be dealt with as you suggest. As it stands we've one culture that has been ruthlessly exploited for 100's of years by the other.. and the other side visually STILL endorsing it .. imagine your Jewish and your grandmother and extended family died in the Holocaust and HAD TO WALK PAST A STATUE of Hitler every day ..
atm what your suggesting just can't happen why because  as it stands things just aren't equal..