Thailand reports 427 new COVID-19 cases

[kwak250]

Alcohol ban new years eve if it gets worse.

Going to stock up today.

[papa al]

11 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Time to stop testing... 

Seek and ye shall find.

Usure what you've found...

[Peter Denis]

37 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The lockdown is one of the reasons Thailand contained the virus initially!

Not locking down quick enough was why the US and UK got hammered!

Do some research > many scientific studies already available comparing lock-down with non lock-down and proving beyond doubt the very limited benefit of lock-downs (only slowing down the spread) vs the devastating effect on the livelihood and well-being of those being 'locked down'.

[dcnx]

All the Thai cities with 1 infection. Right. Because COVID19 is a miracle.

 

One of these days everyone will wake up to the fact that Thailand has not been out randomly testing communities. 
 

When you are only testing those who come to the hospital and meet specific criteria, your numbers are going to be low.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Just now, Peter Denis said:

Do some research > many scientific studies already available comparing lock-down with non lock-down and proving beyond doubt the very limited benefit of lock-downs (only slowing down the spread) vs the devastating effect on the livelihood and well-being of those being 'locked down'.

No need to 'do research', Thailand did exceptionally well at containing the virus after a month locked down in April.

 

The lockdown and travel ban are the main reasons why life has been pretty much normal (outside of the tourism sector) since May.

[dcnx]

21 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Time to stop testing... 

Along with another message saying it’s all under control.

 

Authoritarian government is going to tell authoritarian lies. That’s all they know how to do. 

[Peter Denis]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

No need to 'do research', Thailand did exceptionally well at containing the virus after a month locked down in April.

The lockdown and travel ban are the main reasons why life has been pretty much normal (outside of the tourism sector) since May.

Your opinion does not match with many scientific studies that since March-April have been conducted to study the effectiveness of lock-downs.  NOT one study has shown that it made any difference when comparing countries/regions that locked down vs those that chose not to do.

 

[taninthai]

51 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I cannot help but think that a large number of migrants having the virus does not reflect the small number of thais having it. These people eat, go 7/11. go markets and everywhere else. If large numbers of them have it, then I suspect more Thais have it than are being revealed

Yesterday in news story it was they are testing 5000-8000 people mainly migrant workers.......they just do not like testing the Thais as they have no one to blame if thais test positive

[Tagged]

Chaiyaphum and Petchabun new cases with connections to Samut Prakan

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, sapson said:

If there was 20k a month testing in every province not just one, we might begin to get a little insight into the real Covid situation here................ instead of the fantasy world of Thailand being virtually Covid free despite having a population of 70 million and welcoming the Chinese for months as their main source of tourism.

 

However reality and the associated loss of face doesnt fit well with the priorities of the goons running the show.

 

 

not a big number yet, so perhaps there's a chance to get it right.  if the authorities act quickly. 

 

regardless, this outbreak pretty much destroys any hope of a thai-china travel bubble for the lunar new year holiday.  no chance whatsoever now of setting up quarantine-free corridors between selected provinces for the feb 11-17 golden week.

 

girlfriend is watching the news, worried we won't be able to return next year.  not looking forward to extending here for another year.  or two.

[Sametboy2019]

17 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

No need to 'do research', Thailand did exceptionally well at containing the virus after a month locked down in April.

 

The lockdown and travel ban are the main reasons why life has been pretty much normal (outside of the tourism sector) since May.

A lockdown at the first sign of infections is a good idea. I dont see how waiting a week or two will help. A later lockdown will just cause more misery to a greater amount of people in the long run.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

General xenophobia!

I love that title.

[EricTh]

With more than 500 cases per day, I'm surprised why hasn't Thailand started another lockdown before it get worse?

 

Thailand lockdown-ed in March for much lesser cases of virus.

 

International borders should be closed again and so do interprovincial borders to slow down the spread.

 

If not, Thailand will turn into another Myanmar. Myanmar was too lax and allowed Indians to spread the virus there. At that time, Myanmar also didn't restrict movements into other provinces.

Edited December 22, 2020 by EricTh

[Peter Denis]

7 minutes ago, Sametboy2019 said:

A lockdown at the first sign of infections is a good idea. I dont see how waiting a week or two will help. A later lockdown will just cause more misery to a greater amount of people in the long run.

A lock-down only helps to slow the spread, which can be useful when there is the risk of not being able to cope with a fast spread.  But there simply are no other benefits to a lock-down and before resorting to such drastic measure (which I repeat only slows the spread, and does not avoid any deaths) the authorities need to seriously consider the devastating effects of that measure on the livelihoods and well-being of the population being locked down. 

[webfact]

Thailand sees 427 new Covid-19 cases, with majority being migrant workers

By The Nation

 

 

The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) reported 427 new cases both in quarantine facilities as well as among migrant workers over a 24-hour period on Tuesday.

 

Of the cases 397 were migrant workers in Samut Sakhon province, while 16 were local cases, including three in Saraburi, two in Samut Prakan, one in Chachoengsao, five in Bangkok, two in Pathum Thani, one in Phetchaburi, one in Uttaradit and one in Nakhon Pathom. In addition eight Thais and six foreigners tested positive in quarantine.

 

All the domestic cases reported today were linked to the outbreak in a Samut Sakhon shrimp market.

Dr Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman for the CCSA, said health officials have learned that people from 21 provinces had travelled to Samut Sakhon recently.

 

The provinces in question are Chiang Mai, Phetchaburi, Nakhon Ratchasima, Suphanburi, Kanchanaburi, Nakhon Pathom, Ratchaburi, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Samut Songkhram, Chumphon, Saraburi, Pathum Thani, Ayutthaya, Nonthaburi, Bangkok, Songkhla, Samut Prakan, Prachinburi, Chachoengsao, Chonburi and Rayong.

 

However, Covid-19 cases were only found in a few provinces so far.

 

A map provided by the CCSA depicts the density of patients in different parts of Thailand. Red stands for most cases (Samut Sakhon), orange covers provinces with cases linked to Samut Sakhon and green marks provinces from where people travelled to the affected area but did not get infected.

 

The cases in quarantine facilities include one Thai who returned from Bahrain, three returning from Pakistan, three from the United States and one from Kuwait. The foreigners included a Russian IT manager from Germany, a Swiss national from Italy, two students from Sudan, a French chef and a Pakistani businessman.

 

Meanwhile, 25 patients have recovered and been discharged.

 

The total number of confirmed cases in Thailand has risen to 5,716 (1,373 in state quarantine and 1,273 from hunt of active cases). Of the total, 1,578 are in hospital and quarantine facilities, while 4,078 have recovered and been discharged. The death toll remains unchanged at 60.

 

According to Worldometer, as of 10am, the total number of confirmed cases globally has risen to 77.71 million (up by 534,219). Of them, 54.59 million have recovered, while 21.41 million are active cases (106,279 in severe condition) and 1.7 million have died (up by 8,899).

 

Thailand ranks 143rd for most cases in the world, while the US tops the list with 18.47 million, followed by India 10.07 million, Brazil 7.26 million, Russia 2.87 million and France 2.48 million.

 

Dr Taweesin said tests on 2,051 people in a 2-kilometre radius of the shrimp market in Samut Sakhon found 914 people positive or a rate of 44 per cent; of the 653 samples in vicinity of the Talay Thai market 91 came out positive accounting for 14 per cent; while of the 1,099 samples in the Thai Union market, 84 came out positive, accounting for 8 per cent of positive rate.

 

Pie-chart shows the rate of detection of cases in Samut Sakhon.

 

As for the rising number of people wanting to be tested for Covid-19, he said that is difficult because there is a limited number of health officials. However, he said, people who are concerned and are linked to the outbreak area can ask for a free test.

 

Meanwhile, he said, everyone should continue wearing masks and keeping their hands clean, because this is still the best way of fighting the virus.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30400018

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-12-22

 

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[Ventenio]

For the first time in the history of the Universe.....the word "farang" is off the bottom of the list.  Immigrant worker at the bottom.  My heart goes out to them....they struggle WAY more than we may ever know, work for nothing, 7 days a week, endless hours, have families, risk everything....and then get covid.

 

Lockdown?  Well, I feel bad for those who will starve, commit suicide, etc....

 

I would say, Lockdown half the country..........  yea, i'm glad i'm not in charge.

 

 

[Peter Denis]

Some are already advocating a nation-wide lock-down under the pre-text that it was instrumental in Thailand's successful covid-19 strategy, which is a rather questionnable statement.

Attached an article from the BMJ (British Medical Journal).  It already dates from 3 June and since then several other studies have been done on the effects of lock-down, but I opted to share this one as it is a Head-to-Head article.  Two eminent scientists with a different view and arguing their case for or against continuation of lock-downs.

Interesting that the case AGAINST lock-downs is being made by Stanford prof John P.A. Ioannidis, THE world-wide expert on Epidemiology.

3.-BMJ-Head-to-HEad-Ioannidis-Should-governments-continue-lockdown-to-slow-the-Spread.pdf

[lovethai123]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

Why are "migrant workers" separated in the Thai government's statistics?

IMO, anyone who is not rich in Thailand is considered sub-human.

They want to convey the message that mostly it is the poor migrant workers. our bar girls are covid free and u can visit us worry free. 

[bobbin]

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Your opinion does not match with many scientific studies that since March-April have been conducted to study the effectiveness of lock-downs.  NOT one study has shown that it made any difference when comparing countries/regions that locked down vs those that chose not to do.

 

No no no. Completely wrong! Lock-downs work. Expand your "research" beyond the sources telling you what you want to hear..

 

For months we were being told by people who share your opinion that Sweden was the role-model for how to handle this viral outbreak. Guess what? Swedish authorities, up to and including their King. now say that was a failed strategy. Their cases, compared to their adjacent neighbours, are much, much higher.

[bobbin]

21 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Some are already advocating a nation-wide lock-down under the pre-text that it was instrumental in Thailand's successful covid-19 strategy, which is a rather questionnable statement.

Attached an article from the BMJ (British Medical Journal).  It already dates from 3 June and since then several other studies have been done on the effects of lock-down, but I opted to share this one as it is a Head-to-Head article.  Two eminent scientists with a different view and arguing their case for or against continuation of lock-downs.

Interesting that the case AGAINST lock-downs is being made by Stanford prof John P.A. Ioannidis, THE world-wide expert on Epidemiology.

3.-BMJ-Head-to-HEad-Ioannidis-Should-governments-continue-lockdown-to-slow-the-Spread.pdf 843.92 kB · 1 download

I just saw your post after responding to an earlier post from you..

 

There will always be outliers in any profession, but two swallows do not a summer make..

[Peter Denis]

4 minutes ago, bobbin said:

No no no. Completely wrong! Lock-downs work. Expand your "research" beyond the sources telling you what you want to hear..

 

For months we were being told by people who share your opinion that Sweden was the role-model for how to handle this viral outbreak. Guess what? Swedish authorities, up to and including their King. now say that was a failed strategy. Their cases, compared to their adjacent neighbours, are much, much higher.

OK, show me ONE study that provides evidence that lock-downs work.  Yes, they can slow the spread and that is important when authorities foresee that they will not be able to cope with a faster spread.  But do they have ANY effect on number of deaths?  In order to answer that question you would need to compare countries/regions with comparable conditions that used a lock-down or no lock-down approach.  I have come across +10 studies that showed that lock-downs do not make any difference in number of deaths from covid.  These studies also show that lock-downs actually have an adverse effect on number of deaths because of socio-economic factors.

Contrary to what you might think I am open-minded and will surely consider any study showing that lock-downs work as you claim they do.  But I have simply not come across any of those.

[Sheryl]

The point at which generalized lockdown becomes necessary is when trace/track/treat  no longer works, and that in turn is signalled by finding an increasing number of cases which cannot be explained/traced back to a known infection point.

 

At present it seems almost all cases can be traced back to the market in Samut Sokhon, and efforts are underway to trace and test everyone who went to that market and other contacts of all known positive cases. Fingers crossed this proved sufficient.

[Peter Denis]

9 minutes ago, bobbin said:

I just saw your post after responding to an earlier post from you..

There will always be outliers in any profession, but two swallows do not a summer make..

Wow, Stanford Prof dr John P.A. Ioannidis, THE world authority on epidemiology, an 'outlier'.

 

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I thought they were linked to the outbreak in Samut Sakhorn?  Anyway, in the scheme of things it's a very minor outbreak, most (all?) are asymptomatic or only mildly sick, and there have most likely been 100s of unreported cases for months.  Locking down is a complete over-reaction unless numbers reach UK/US levels!  

The whole point of a lockdown is to stop numbers ever reaching UK/US levels. Once they reach that high the lockdown has to be total and go on for a long time in order to serve any purpose. 
 

look at the lockdowns in Melbourne and Sydney for examples. Regional lock down early and control can be restored. Wait till you get a UK/USA situation and you never get back.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, jackdd said:

Why are "migrant workers" separated in the Thai government's statistics?

Because they are the major cause.

[Big Yuley]

????

Must admit I'm loving and enjoying the daily updates.

This is the silver lining to 2020.

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

Lockdown looming. 

 

 

Maybe after the Christmas and New Year holidays...lockdown again over the next two weeks would be a real gut-punch to hotels salvaging anything from this year.

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Everyone had better hope it remains a local problem.

Don't forget the last lockdown came at a time when the daily numbers were barely getting over one hundred.

Provincial governors were trying to outdo each other on how tough their restrictions could be and to be the swiftest to introduce them.

That was early in the pandemic when nobody knew exactly how the virus spread and how lethal (or not lethal) it was...also early lockdowns to "flatten the curve" were expected to last weeks...not months. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Maybe after the Christmas and New Year holidays...lockdown again over the next two weeks would be a real gut-punch to hotels salvaging anything from this year.

I will hazard a guess and say that if they do not lockdown now it will be completely out of control after the holibobs. 

 

Let's see what happens. 

[Meat Pie 47]

8 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

The whole point of a lockdown is to stop numbers ever reaching UK/US levels. Once they reach that high the lockdown has to be total and go on for a long time in order to serve any purpose. 
 

look at the lockdowns in Melbourne and Sydney for examples. Regional lock down early and control can be restored. Wait till you get a UK/USA situation and you never get back.

Correct, just check up on Western Australia

No local infection for 284 days we just closed the boarder

no face mask in sight anywhere

9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said: