Trump threatens to not sign COVID-19 bill, wants bigger stimulus checks

[TheFishman1]

 During the whole negotiations from eight months ago when the Democrats already had it prepared and the Republicans were stalling for after the election Trump did absolutely nothing Trump knew exactly what the Republicans were going to do and he agreed now that the Democrats and Republicans have passed it he wants a veto it saying he wants Americans to have more money like he’s the big hero Trump is just one big liar another screwup like when he said the virus was no worse than the flu like when he says china Is a bigger threat than Russia or Russia is hacking into everything Trump says that one word and I was thinking Trump said he believes Putin more than his own intelligent people Trump is just in crazy Ville thank God he’s leaving soon it was his lies and conspiracy theories etc. etc. anybody with a brain knows Trump is just one liar and the worst president America ever had

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

When did Trump or anyone in his administration EVER advocate the notion of a $2000 CV relief payment, before his Tweet AFTER the current bipartisan deal legislation had already passed the House and Senate after months of nothing???

 

Never, AFAIK.

[Sujo]

So trump agrees with the dems.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Interesting... now what....

 

"Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks," [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi tweeted, placing the blame on GOP lawmakers. "At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!"

 

VS

 

"Following Pelosi's tweet Tuesday night, [Senate Minority Leader Charles] Schumer appeared to call on Trump to pass the bill as it stands currently, suggesting Congress could pass further relief funds in a subsequent aid package. 

 

"Trump needs to sign the bill to help people and keep the government open and we're glad to pass more aid Americans need," he wrote on Twitter, noting that the Democrats spent "months" trying to get $2,000 stimulus checks included. "

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/531389-pelosi-responds-to-trump-lets-push-for-2k-checks-this-week

 

And now the congressional Republicans are probably saying... so this is what it feels like to get stabbed in the back by our own president....

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TopDeadSenter]

9 minutes ago, TheFishman1 said:

 During the whole negotiations from eight months ago when the Democrats already had it prepared and the Republicans were stalling for after the election Trump did absolutely nothing Trump knew exactly what the Republicans were going to do and he agreed now that the Democrats and Republicans have passed it he wants a veto it saying he wants Americans to have more money like he’s the big hero Trump is just one big liar another screwup like when he said the virus was no worse than the flu like when he says china Is a bigger threat than Russia or Russia is hacking into everything Trump says that one word and I was thinking Trump said he believes Putin more than his own intelligent people Trump is just in crazy Ville thank God he’s leaving soon it was his lies and conspiracy theories etc. etc. anybody with a brain knows Trump is just one liar and the worst president America ever had

You may have missed this interview, it sheds light on why the bill was not passed before. 

 

"Pelosi wasn't done. "Let me say this with all due respect, with all due respect, and you know we've known each other a long time, you really don't know what you're talking about," she said as Blitzer continued to ask why the $1.8 trillion deal proposed by the White House wasn't good enough."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-wolf-blitzer-stimulus/index.html

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Interesting... now what....

 

"Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks," [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi tweeted, placing the blame on GOP lawmakers. "At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!"

 

AND

 

"Following Pelosi's tweet Tuesday night, Schumer appeared to call on Trump to pass the bill as it stands currently, suggesting Congress could pass further relief funds in a subsequent aid package. 

 

"Trump needs to sign the bill to help people and keep the government open and we're glad to pass more aid Americans need," he wrote on Twitter, noting that the Democrats spent "months" trying to get $2,000 stimulus checks included. "

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/531389-pelosi-responds-to-trump-lets-push-for-2k-checks-this-week

 

And now the congressional Republicans are probably saying... so this is what it feels like to get stabbed in the back by our own president....

 

 

 

And he cannot veto it.

 

What a twit. Cant even tell his own admin what he wants.

 

Just give the 600 and leave it to biden to fix all this idiot has done.

[Thailand]

I wonder if Boris will be sending me 500 quid for Xmas, wouldn't say no.

 

Can give ne more in the New Year which I am sure he is planning.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You may have missed this interview, it sheds light on why the bill was not passed before. 

 

"Pelosi wasn't done. "Let me say this with all due respect, with all due respect, and you know we've known each other a long time, you really don't know what you're talking about," she said as Blitzer continued to ask why the $1.8 trillion deal proposed by the White House wasn't good enough."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-wolf-blitzer-stimulus/index.html

Did you forget it was trump who told them not to do it until after he won the election.

[TopDeadSenter]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Did you forget it was trump who told them not to do it until after he won the election.

Forgetting a credible link to back that improbable theory of yours? Trump is on record, and as per the CNN interview I just posted, of wanting to get the covid bill passed asap and way before the election, while Pelosi played politics and dragged it out. Read the Blitzer/Pelosi interview for starters if you want to understand what was happening.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You may have missed this interview, it sheds light on why the bill was not passed before. 

 

"Pelosi wasn't done. "Let me say this with all due respect, with all due respect, and you know we've known each other a long time, you really don't know what you're talking about," she said as Blitzer continued to ask why the $1.8 trillion deal proposed by the White House wasn't good enough."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-wolf-blitzer-stimulus/index.html

 

 

Why not be fair and complete in what you're referring to -- a last minute package Trump floated for the first time in late October AFTER he himself just shortly before had broken off all talks on a stimulus relief measure.

 

"The new proposal’s price tag of $1.8 trillion, which Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin presented to Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a roughly 30-minute phone call, was nearly double the original offer the administration put forward when talks began in late summer.

 

It was the latest indication that the White House was eager to backtrack from Mr. Trump’s decision on Tuesday to abruptly halt negotiations, and it reflected a growing sense of dread both at the White House and among vulnerable Senate Republicans facing re-election about the political consequences of his actions.

 

The offer also highlighted the deep and persistent divisions among Republicans — most of whom have balked at a large new federal infusion of pandemic aid"

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/09/business/us-economy-coronavirus

 

And thus far, I can't find any mention of a $2000 per person direct stimulus payment being part of that last-minute White House proposal... one that Senate Republicans were never going to pass, much less consider.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/22/trump-stimulus-video-bill/

 

"Last week, he [Trump] had complained to some aides that the $600 stimulus checks were too low and that he wanted them raised to $1,200 or $2,000, but aides had convinced him not to intervene, saying it could scuttle the whole package.

 

Some aides were stunned that Trump weighed in the way he did after his economic team had publicly praised the bill.

 

But administration officials had negotiated in the final days without explicitly securing Trump’s approval, aides said. He had largely been distracted with overturning the results of the presidential election."

 

And playing golf and talking about trying to impose martial law.

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[pattayadude]

3 hours ago, DeusExMachinaBKK said:

$600 lol... that will pay for maybe some of your rent. Who needs food and electricity !?

 

again, Trump is correct. 

In Los Angeles, average rent is $1750 so the chicken s#it $600 stimulus would barely cover 30% of the average rent

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

If the following is correct, it may all be for naught, anyway... Typical of a Trump venture:

 

"Logistically, though, it could prove difficult for Democrats and Trump to amend the bill and approve $2,000 checks in the next few days, or even weeks.

If any Republican in the House opposed Pelosi’s effort on Thursday, it would not pass. Such a change would also require Senate Republicans to pass the measure unanimously, something that is unlikely to happen."

 

If the above is correct, in all likelihood, Trump's either gonna have to sign the $600 bill, veto the whole thing, or let it become law without his signature.

 

[newnative]

     I agree that the $600 checks are too paltry but where was Trump when the negotiating was going on?  Nowhere to be found.  Why wasn't he leading, as a President should?   Why wasn't he demanding $2000 from the get go if that's what he wanted?  Now that the bill's all but wrapped up, he pauses from his presidential pardons to say he doesn't like it.  Just another example of why he will go down as the absolute worst president in history.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-bill.html

 

"Democrats in Congress seemed to be enjoying the Republican-on-Republican attacks.

 

“If his major concern is he wants $2,000 relief checks, I’m sure we can accommodate his desires,” said Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and a member of Ms. Pelosi’s leadership team. “On the Democratic side, we have been pushing for a much larger package for months.”

 

Should Mr. Trump veto the bill after sitting out negotiations, Mr. Raskin said, it would be a “ludicrous way to run government, but it’s a fitting end to his presidency.”

Edited December 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Sujo]

41 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Forgetting a credible link to back that improbable theory of yours? Trump is on record, and as per the CNN interview I just posted, of wanting to get the covid bill passed asap and way before the election, while Pelosi played politics and dragged it out. Read the Blitzer/Pelosi interview for starters if you want to understand what was happening.

You cannot do a search yourself?

 

Trump tells to wait until nov 3, after the election. What say you?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/trump-says-hes-calling-off-stimulus-negotiations-with-democrats-until-after-the-election.html

[mudcat]

Seeing as our income does not change a whit we recycled the last $2,400 to the local food bank in California and will do the same with whatever comes next.  We are doing just fine and lots of people back in the states are really hurting, especially the children.  Worth a thought, no?

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-bill.html

 

"Democrats in Congress seemed to be enjoying the Republican-on-Republican attacks.

 

“If his major concern is he wants $2,000 relief checks, I’m sure we can accommodate his desires,” said Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and a member of Ms. Pelosi’s leadership team. “On the Democratic side, we have been pushing for a much larger package for months.”

 

Should Mr. Trump veto the bill after sitting out negotiations, Mr. Raskin said, it would be a “ludicrous way to run government, but it’s a fitting end to his presidency.”

 I can imagine the bemused and bewilderment looks on Bernie and Andrew Yang faces. Nancy Pelosi is ready to agree to $2,000 by unanimous consent. Never knew Trump is actually a RINO and in the Dems camp. The burden right on Mitch and the GOPs. They may have to cancel their Christmas holidays. What a crazy situation created by similar crazy President.   

[Srikcir]

'boost the cost of the bill to well over one trillion'

One trillion dollars didn't bother a Republican-controlled Congress when it passed what was essentially a tax cut for the wealthy and large corporations. That never trickled down to the average taxpayer.

[OneMoreFarang]

What did he say? I won't do that. I won't leave. You have to drag me out of here.

[Caldera]

I'm just glad that, come January 20, we won't need to deal with any of this nonsense anymore.

 

[rwill]

His statement is meaningless anyway.  Congress has enough votes on this to override his veto.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, rwill said:

His statement is meaningless anyway.  Congress has enough votes on this to override his veto.

This. Any veto is useless, just like his presidency.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, rwill said:

His statement is meaningless anyway.  Congress has enough votes on this to override his veto.

Will the GOPs in congress finally grow a pair and override or they succumb meekly to their lunatic boss. Will be fun to watch either way. 

[mudcat]

It is structured as an advance on a fully refundable tax credit.  

https://www.barrons.com/articles/do-i-need-to-pay-taxes-on-my-stimulus-check-51596706200

 

"While the news on coronavirus is grim, you might be happy to know that you won’t owe taxes on your stimulus check, also known as an Economic Impact Payment. Under the Cares Act, the stimulus checks are treated as a fully refundable tax credit for 2020, which means it isn’t included in gross income and thereby isn’t subject to taxes."

Edited December 23, 2020 by onthedarkside
text of link added

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Sounds like good old fashioned common sense. Give the American public more, and give less to the likes of Pakistan gender programs(whatever they even are, or why they are given $10 million in an American covid stimulus bill). I am seeing every poster so far hating this proposal by Trump, I ask is it possible for people to refuse the $2,000 cheques if they hate Trump? It should be an option.

Trump is just trying to sow confusion, as usual. The Democrats and Republicans are co-operating, the votes in both Congress and the Senate mean Trump's veto is useless.

No way is Trump giving out money to people, he's trying to funnel it through businesses.

Have you stopped donating to Trump's campaign yet? He'd find that $2000 cheque useful, assuming you ever got it.

[bkk6060]

24 minutes ago, rwill said:

If you check you will see it is not free money for you.  It is an advance tax credit which you will have to pay back.

Your post is false I suggest you do your research before posting such nonsense.

 

You don't have to pay your stimulus check back to the government, and it will not reduce your tax refund for the year. The stimulus check is a new federal tax credit available in 2020 that the government has decided to give people now to help them through the pandemic and the recession. Tax credits provide a dollar-for-dollar reduction of your tax liability for the year, resulting in either a smaller tax bill or a larger tax refund.

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

If they don't, Trump's choices are to sign the bill into law, veto it, or do nothing and let it become law.

 

maybe....

 

if the soon-to-be-former president fails to sign the bill within ten days, and congress adjourns, then the bill is "pocket"-vetoed.  in this case, since congress is out of session, the veto can not be overridden.

 

they are planning to adjourn and head home for the holidays asap, and then return on january 3rd to prepare for the eviction notice.

[onthedarkside]

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[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

This is just Trump grandstanding. Trying to tell the people of the USA he cares, looking for popularity votes not a decent bone in this mans body. Mean and cruel to the end.

Terrible of Trump to want a decent relief check for Americans, $600. is a joke.