UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[7by7]

18 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Those already living there can stay as long as they want , those who have holiday homes there can go for three months at a time , nothing has changed .

  Those who have holiday homes there only stay for a few weeks or a few months 

 

OK, @overherebc; see what you mean. I should have read further before responding.

[bartender100]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

This is a daily reminder that the UK has surrendered to the EU demands ????

 

all further discussions are pure non-sense speculation ????

 

We won, vive EU

 

Well good for you, as a Brexiteer I think it's a great deal for both sides, even Sir Nigel Farage is reasonably happy with it. So please get off your high horse, lets put it all behind us and get on with building back friendship, harmony, trust, and working together for the economies of the EU and UK.

 

Instead of "daily reminder" who won

[7by7]

17 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Its extremely restricted for foreigners to work  in Thailand .

You can only work in Jobs that Thais cannot do .

Why shouldn't it be the same in the UK ?

 

With our points based system for work permits, it is actually not that dissimilar.

 

Browse: Work in the UK

 

 

[7by7]

17 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Yeah like, cannot work in any job they want (like in the UK) , working in Thailand is restricted, as in, cannot work in any job you want to do, like, in the UK 

 

You are wrong; again. I refer you to the link in my previous.

[7by7]

17 hours ago, kingdong said:

You keep going on about the eu,we,ll be able to sell our fish to who we like now we,ve left,theres a whole global market out there,also with the glut of airplanes lying idol think transport bosses will be looking at that as a more economical form of transportation,especially bearing in mind frances macaroons antics in the last few days.

 

We could, and did, both import and export fish from outside the EU when we were a member.

 

See Section 4: Trade starting on page 49 of UK Sea Fisheries Statistics 2019.

 

Of course, that trade was carried out under the EU's agreements; we will need to make new agreements with the countries concerned.

 

I wonder how many of those countries will suddenly want to buy more fish from us rather than continue to trade with the EU under existing agreements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[7by7]

13 hours ago, kingdong said:

I own the land i,m standing on.

An Englishman's home is his castle!

 

Until the government want it for HS2, third Heathrow runway etc., or your local authority want it to build a by-pass or shopping centre etc.!

[Chomper Higgot]

18 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Its extremely restricted for foreigners to work  in Thailand .

You can only work in Jobs that Thais cannot do .

Why shouldn't it be the same in the UK ?

I’ve never had the slightest problems working in Thailand.

 

I’m an engineer and I’ve worked in Thailand with many Thai engineers (apparently they could do the job my job so how could I have possibly obtained a work permit?)

 

Me thinks you have zero experience in the matter of foreigners working in Thailand.

 

 

[7by7]

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

What a shambles. Thank **** we're out of it. 

 

 

So you believe democratic institutions making the decisions to be a shambles!

 

Do you think the same of our very similar institutions here in the UK? 

[7by7]

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why are you getting all excited about Gibraltar now? Do you think we give t0$$ about that? 

 

You obviously don't care about what the Gibraltarians wish; but as a patriotic and democratic Brit, I do give a toss about Gibraltar!

[7by7]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

21 hours ago, 473geo said:

Used to see them on UK manufactured tractors, no more

And British manufacturing was destroyed by?

 

Nearly 4 of every 5 new tractors in the UK come from just 3 giants

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The data shows that John Deere was in poll position, with 3,915 units (28.4%).

Next up was New Holland, with 2,180 units (15.8%), followed in third place by Massey Ferguson with 1,973 units (14.3%).

 

John Deere are American owned; New Holland are American/Italian owned; Massey Ferguson, although originally UK/Canadian owned, is now American owned.

[7by7]

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Some good news for all those who just try their best to put the UK down.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-is-fifth-largest-economy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india-wccxxxcqr

Exercising our democratic right to be critical of Brexit and our current government is not putting the UK down.

 

The fact that you and others have to resort to this ludicrous claim so often proves just one thing; you have no real arguments!

 

Unless you genuinely believe people should not be allowed to criticise the government! In which case you may feel more at home in North Korea where you won't have to suffer the criticising of the government which the freedom of speech under the Parliamentary democracy which is the UK allows us!

[7by7]

5 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

 Who reads and listens to anything the begging bowl Guardian says ,

 

So you prefer sources like the Times who are behind a paywall?

[overherebc]

58 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

 

Well good for you, as a Brexiteer I think it's a great deal for both sides, even Sir Nigel Farage is reasonably happy with it. So please get off your high horse, lets put it all behind us and get on with building back friendship, harmony, trust, and working together for the economies of the EU and UK.

 

Instead of "daily reminder" who won

From what I read the biggest relief is for the UK/EU business as there appears to be an FTA in the agreement. It will probably mean a lot more documentation etc but at least imports/exports should continue as is.

[Hi from France]

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why are you getting all excited about Gibraltar now? Do you think we give t0$$ about that? 

the problem in that most Brexiteers here are not just Tories, they are nationalists.

 

And Brexit has fanned the flames not just of English nationalism, but also of Irish and Scottish nationalism. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not a country that is compatible with nationalism.

 

The union between the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, followed by the union in 1801 of Great Britain with the Kingdom of Ireland is formed of separate nations.

• What remains of the Kingdom of Ireland wants to be a member of the European Union
• The Kingdom of Scotland wants to be a member of the European Union
• The British Oversea Territory of Gibraltar wants to be a member of the European Union
• England (apart from the capital, London) does not want to be a member of the European Union

 

event the Welsh are pro-european.... you know that Welsh-speaking constituencies voted remain ?

 

 

So in a few days, Brexit will be effective, but the United Kingdom has a lot of soul-searching to do, lest it each piece goes its own way. ironically, the European Union was keeping the pieces of the the United Kingdom together

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"United in diversity" is the motto of the European Union

 

 

 

In other words, unless you can find a uniting and effective project as the United Kingdom, these separate nations won't be "United".

 

English nationalism could break the United Kingdom.

 

 

 

Gibraltar might be the first piece to detach in a few days. That's why I find it important to debate what is happening there

 

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Edited December 26, 2020 by Hi from France

[kingdong]

54 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

We could, and did, both import and export fish from outside the EU when we were a member.

 

See Section 4: Trade starting on page 49 of UK Sea Fisheries Statistics 2019.

 

Of course, that trade was carried out under the EU's agreements; we will need to make new agreements with the countries concerned.

 

I wonder how many of those countries will suddenly want to buy more fish from us rather than continue to trade with the EU under existing agreements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On your last point depends on whos cheaper.theres no loyalty or sympathy in trade and politics.

[7by7]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

On your last point depends on whos cheaper.theres no loyalty or sympathy in trade and politics.

 No change there, then, from the situation while we were an EU member!

[kingdong]

16 minutes ago, overherebc said:

From what I read the biggest relief is for the UK/EU business as there appears to be an FTA in the agreement. It will probably mean a lot more documentation etc but at least imports/exports should continue as is.

So boris out bluffed barnier and came up trumps in the eleventh hour,and there was i quaking in my boots that the eu were going to punish us for having the temerity  to hold a peoples vote,what a triumph for patriotism and democracy,a national, " freedom day "or better still a "freedom weekend " national holiday should be declared in recognition to the hard work and tenacity displayed by nigel and boris.

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1 minute ago, kingdong said:

So boris out bluffed barnier and came up trumps in the eleventh hour,and there was i quaking in my boots that the eu were going to punish us for having the temerity  to hold a peoples vote,what a triumph for patriotism and democracy,a national, " freedom day "or better still a "freedom weekend " national holiday should be declared in recognition to the hard work and tenacity displayed by nigel and boris.

Thanks for your detailed analysis of the agreement. It's sure a good thing that the UK didn't agree to abide by lots of EU laws. Because in that case...

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

We obviously disagree. HMG has always been free to make decisions, just as they have with compromises with Brexit T&Cs

The UK was increasingly unable to reject/renegotiate anything EU. The decisions that Parliament were able to make due to various treaty versions plus the primacy of EU law, successive loss of vetoes and QMV. The UK could only trade with other countries according to EU rules and agreements (if they had any).

 

The decision we were able to make was to leave. 

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[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

On your last point depends on whos cheaper.theres no loyalty or sympathy in trade and politics.

Indians and Filipinos are cheaper than East Europeans, hence the first post Brexit UK ministerial overseas visit.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

I’m an engineer and I’ve worked in Thailand with many Thai engineers (apparently they could do the job my job so how could I have possibly obtained a work permit?)

 

 

 

 

Perhaps because they could get away with paying you less than the going rate,like what happens (presently) in the uk.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

So boris out bluffed barnier and came up trumps in the eleventh hour,and there was i quaking in my boots that the eu were going to punish us for having the temerity  to hold a peoples vote,what a triumph for patriotism and democracy,a national, " freedom day "or better still a "freedom weekend " national holiday should be declared in recognition to the hard work and tenacity displayed by nigel and boris.

Hold the celebrations until you see the consequences.

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Indians and Filipinos are cheaper than East Europeans, hence the first post Brexit UK ministerial overseas visit.

Probably a jolly boys outing of drink and debauchery.

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

It had always been the opinion from some in Europe that the E.U. was run by Germany,  the United  Kingdom, and France ( May somewhere be logical, these 3 countries having the biggest GDP )

The United Kingdom having left, those believe that it is now of course  only France & Germany which are the ones ruling. 

Should be interesting when the other countries are told to increase their financial contribution to make up for uks shortfall,i thought the eu were going to " fine " the uk for daring to leave,what happened there?

[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hold the celebrations until you see the consequences.

Likewise the tar and feathers.

[evadgib]

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Should be interesting when the other countries are told to increase their financial contribution to make up for uks shortfall,i thought the eu were going to " fine " the uk for daring to leave,what happened there?

When the dust settles I expect someone (Ferage?) will submit a FoI to find out exactly what the damage is. If it hasn't happened in a reasonable timeframe i'll do it myself.

[Hi from France]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

It had always been the opinion from some in Europe that the E.U. was run by Germany,  the United  Kingdom, and France ( May somewhere be logical, these 3 countries having the biggest GDP )

The United Kingdom having left, those believe that it is now of course  only France & Germany which are the ones ruling. 

Well it may surprise you but in many instances, the French view is that E.U. was run by Germany and the United Kingdom. 

 

France and the United Kingdom were not on the same page with European matters. 

 

Europe has already changed gear recently getting more ambitious and united, not only with the English influence gone, but also Trump and Covid-19. 

[Hi from France]

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/soon-we-will-finally-be-able-to-have-an-informed-debate-about-europe

 

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Cheer up. I bring good news. The Second World War will soon be over.

 

To be precise, it will be over for Britain. It ended long ago for the rest of Europe–not just the fighting but dealing with its aftermath.

 

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For most of western Europe, the biggest step towards shaping the future was signing the Treaty of Rome in 1957. For Greece, Spain and Portugal, it was shedding fascism in the mid-1970s. For eastern Europe, it was the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

 

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But so far, Britain has had no such moment of liberation, catharsis or soul-searching. We won the war, after all

 

[luckyluke]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Should be interesting when the other countries are told to increase their financial contribution to make up for uks shortfall,i thought the eu were going to " fine " the uk for daring to leave,what happened there?

 

Indeed, and especially what concrete impact it will have on the daily life of the man in the street.

We will find out next year, I assume.

 

I suppose this "fine" is somewhere included in the deal, or than simply  ignored. 

We can only speculate, as I don't think we will ever find out.

 

 

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, overherebc said:

From what I read the biggest relief is for the UK/EU business as there appears to be an FTA in the agreement. It will probably mean a lot more documentation etc but at least imports/exports should continue as is.

Documentation and delays at the border will hurt a lot.

 

Let's face it : the strongest proponent of the single market is now out of the single market. 

 

For those of you who think that the EU budget is too high : it's 1% of our GDP while the federal budget of the USA is 20%, give or take. 

 

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Edited December 26, 2020 by Hi from France