UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

He said "could" you have purposely changed it to "will." Naughty naughty tebee.

Maybe reread the title again. Naughty not to do that before posting.

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Maybe reread the title again. Naughty not to do that before posting.

Take it up with Bloomburg not me !

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, tebee said:

Take it up with Bloomburg not me !

Again, I was addressing Vogue who misread the title. So I was not taking it up with you.

Edited January 7, 2021 by stevenl

[CG1 Blue]

42 minutes ago, tebee said:

Debenhams closes online business in Ireland as 50 major UK retailers face EU tariffs

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-07/debenhams-closes-online-business-in-ireland-as-50-major-uk-retailers-face-eu-tariffs

 

 

Debenhams has been forced to close its online business in Ireland to avoid the cost of tariffs which are now required under the trade deal agreed between the UK and the EU.

 

Debenhams is not alone, at least 50 major UK retailers, including Marks and Spencer and Tesco, are in the process of going through their products lines, to establish how many of them will be now subject to tariffs from the EU.

 

Can I ask what you're hoping to achieve by digging up as many negative news stories as you can possibly find? Genuine question. 

[vinny41]

That’s why we left! EU punishes Ireland supply chains in bid to exert full Brexit pressure

 Due to the section of the agreement which refers to the rule of origin for items, businesses and exporters are stopping or reducing the delivery of products to Ireland. Despite Ireland being a member of the EU, rule of origin laws dictate any product must originate in the EU or UK to avoid receiving a full tariff.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1380623/Brexit-news-latest-Ireland-food-uk-supply-chain-rule-of-origin-eu-news

[vinny41]

Customers in Europe hit by post-Brexit charges when buying from UK

“We bought a €47 [£42] shelf from Next for our bathroom,” said Thom Basely, who lives in Marseille. “On the morning it was supposed to be delivered we received an ‘import duty/tax’ demand for over €30, like a ransom note. It came as a complete surprise.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk

[GrandPapillon]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Customers in Europe hit by post-Brexit charges when buying from UK

“We bought a €47 [£42] shelf from Next for our bathroom,” said Thom Basely, who lives in Marseille. “On the morning it was supposed to be delivered we received an ‘import duty/tax’ demand for over €30, like a ransom note. It came as a complete surprise.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk

how can it come to a surprise? haven't they follow the news about Brexit?

[Hi from France]

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Customers in Europe buying products ranging from furniture to pet food from UK companies are receiving unexpected bills for VAT and customs declarations or finding household names have stopped shipping to the continent, as post-Brexit trading rules bite.

 

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“We bought a €47 [£42] shelf from Next for our bathroom,” said Thom Basely, who lives in Marseille. “On the morning it was supposed to be delivered we received an ‘import duty/tax’ demand for over €30, like a ransom note.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk

[candide]

5 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can I ask what you're hoping to achieve by digging up as many negative news stories as you can possibly find? Genuine question. 

Tebee's post constitute an obvious case of lese Brexit! ????

[tebee]

My point is we have basically knackered ourselves as  place to do business from. 

 

It makes no sense to have a UK participant in the  supply chain, because of the extra paperwork and customs duties.

 

We are going to lose more jobs and tax revenues because of Brexit.

 

With Brexit done, reality dawns that frictionless UK-EU trade is no more

 

  https://www.ft.com/content/08f180aa-59a5-4a7b-bb4f-393af0f7a570?shareType=nongift

 

If you can't get past the paywall the author summarized it on Twitter 

 

 

 

[Hi from France]

17 minutes ago, tebee said:

My point is we have basically knackered ourselves as  place to do business from. 

 

It makes no sense to have a UK participant in the  supply chain, because of the extra paperwork and customs duties.

 

We are going to lose more jobs and tax revenues because of Brexit.

 

With Brexit done, reality dawns that frictionless UK-EU trade is no more

 

  https://www.ft.com/content/08f180aa-59a5-4a7b-bb4f-393af0f7a570?shareType=nongift

 

oddly fascinating to see project fear in action

 

European supply chains are restructuring, and it's happening even faster as Covid triggers restructurations

 

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The prevailing view in Brussels seems to be that given that dual regimes will emerge over time — for financial services and indeed phytosanitary (SPS) regulations — it makes no sense to have the UK as an EU hub for very much. This penny is now starting to drop.

 

On a micro level, this means that some businesses will simply stop trading with the EU because it becomes too expensive — or move to split their supply chains to avoid having to do cross-Channel trade, shrinking their UK footprint in the process.

 

 

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A company such as Aston Chemicals in Aylesbury, which has imported chemicals for tThe cosmetics industry for 30 years and distributed to the EU from the UK, sent its last load across the Channel on December 18. 

 

It will now serve its EU customers directly from Poland to avoid duplicating paperwork for compliance with the EU’s Reach chemical safety regulations, border delays, and tariffs risk from rules of origin requirements.

 

Its UK warehouse staffing has shrunk by one-third as a result of the changes.

 

 

[david555]

???? ....????  value of a Boris word  , promise , or signature ...

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1381172/UK-fishing-industry-latest-news-brexit-supertrawlers-greenpeace-environment-seas

 

Seven hated supertrawlers have just been licensed to pillage UK waters – is Boris serious?

BREXIT is done, apparently, and the Prime Minister on Sunday finally revealed what ‘taking back control' of our waters means to him, telling Andrew Marr that we will be able to "ban these huge Hoover trawlers" which are destroying our oceans now that we have left the European Union.

By Chris Thorne, Oceans Campaigner, Greenpeace UK

18:24, Thu, Jan 7, 2021 | UPDATED: 22:57, Thu, Jan 7, 2021

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....However, words are cheap, and the Prime Minister’s words on Sunday are undermined by the decision to grant licenses to at least SEVEN supertrawlers so they can continue fishing in the UK’s protected areas this year.

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by david555

[vinny41]

40 minutes ago, david555 said:

???? ....????  value of a Boris word  , promise , or signature ...

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1381172/UK-fishing-industry-latest-news-brexit-supertrawlers-greenpeace-environment-seas

 

Seven hated supertrawlers have just been licensed to pillage UK waters – is Boris serious?

BREXIT is done, apparently, and the Prime Minister on Sunday finally revealed what ‘taking back control' of our waters means to him, telling Andrew Marr that we will be able to "ban these huge Hoover trawlers" which are destroying our oceans now that we have left the European Union.

By Chris Thorne, Oceans Campaigner, Greenpeace UK

18:24, Thu, Jan 7, 2021 | UPDATED: 22:57, Thu, Jan 7, 2021

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....However, words are cheap, and the Prime Minister’s words on Sunday are undermined by the decision to grant licenses to at least SEVEN supertrawlers so they can continue fishing in the UK’s protected areas this year.

 

You are correct words are cheap This article states we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries

Now, one day after the end of transition, we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries.

https://www.britishineurope.org/articles/67339-travel-chaos-for-uk-residents-in-the-eu

 

or is the case that the EU can't be trusted to honor agreements they sign

[vinny41]

49 minutes ago, david555 said:

???? ....????  value of a Boris word  , promise , or signature ...

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1381172/UK-fishing-industry-latest-news-brexit-supertrawlers-greenpeace-environment-seas

 

Seven hated supertrawlers have just been licensed to pillage UK waters – is Boris serious?

BREXIT is done, apparently, and the Prime Minister on Sunday finally revealed what ‘taking back control' of our waters means to him, telling Andrew Marr that we will be able to "ban these huge Hoover trawlers" which are destroying our oceans now that we have left the European Union.

By Chris Thorne, Oceans Campaigner, Greenpeace UK

18:24, Thu, Jan 7, 2021 | UPDATED: 22:57, Thu, Jan 7, 2021

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....However, words are cheap, and the Prime Minister’s words on Sunday are undermined by the decision to grant licenses to at least SEVEN supertrawlers so they can continue fishing in the UK’s protected areas this year.

 

And 2 days before that Article another Article from the Daily Express

Fishing fury: Boris eyes supertrawler BAN in UK - but sparks panic from British fishermen

A POST-BREXIT ban on supertrawlers from British waters could be challenged by fishing leaders amid fears the move would damage the UK industry while doing little to protect the seabed.

 

The Government is understood to be considering a ban on the massive vessels which are typically more than 330ft long and have mile-long nets which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Boris Johnson has already stated he wants to stop the supertrawlers plundering the fishing stocks of the British coast and has ordered officials to examine ways of doing so while sticking to the terms of the post-Brexit trade deal.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1380100/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-fishing-supertrawler-ban-fishing-industry-latest

 

Who to listen to Greenpeace or British Fisherman

[adammike]

15 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And 2 days before that Article another Article from the Daily Express

Fishing fury: Boris eyes supertrawler BAN in UK - but sparks panic from British fishermen

A POST-BREXIT ban on supertrawlers from British waters could be challenged by fishing leaders amid fears the move would damage the UK industry while doing little to protect the seabed.

 

The Government is understood to be considering a ban on the massive vessels which are typically more than 330ft long and have mile-long nets which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Boris Johnson has already stated he wants to stop the supertrawlers plundering the fishing stocks of the British coast and has ordered officials to examine ways of doing so while sticking to the terms of the post-Brexit trade deal.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1380100/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-fishing-supertrawler-ban-fishing-industry-latest

 

Who to listen to Greenpeace or British Fisherman

Not the daily express that's for sure.

[david555]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

You are correct words are cheap This article states we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries

Now, one day after the end of transition, we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries.

https://www.britishineurope.org/articles/67339-travel-chaos-for-uk-residents-in-the-eu

 

or is the case that the EU can't be trusted to honor agreements they sign

Growing pains ...all is new so on both sides some misunderstandings can appear ....nothing comparable with the factory vessels getting new licenses  !

 

Just you start discovering all the new things the fantastic brexit brought ....i can understand on U.K. side 45 years of easy access can confuse now becoming a third country  ....same rules as before does not exist anymore ... oh you go get used to it and adapt to it ....give it some time ..????

Edited January 8, 2021 by david555

[david555]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

And 2 days before that Article another Article from the Daily Express

Fishing fury: Boris eyes supertrawler BAN in UK - but sparks panic from British fishermen

A POST-BREXIT ban on supertrawlers from British waters could be challenged by fishing leaders amid fears the move would damage the UK industry while doing little to protect the seabed.

 

The Government is understood to be considering a ban on the massive vessels which are typically more than 330ft long and have mile-long nets which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Boris Johnson has already stated he wants to stop the supertrawlers plundering the fishing stocks of the British coast and has ordered officials to examine ways of doing so while sticking to the terms of the post-Brexit trade deal.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1380100/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-fishing-supertrawler-ban-fishing-industry-latest

 

Who to listen to Greenpeace or British Fisherman

Boris double tongue ....Vinny ....just Boris his normal bluster ...????

Banning Scandinavians  one day and next day getting a ban from them ..." tit for tat"  Vinny ....nothing surprising ...unless for the brexiteers ...????

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by david555

[vinny41]

34 minutes ago, david555 said:

Growing pains ...all is new so on both sides some misunderstandings can appear ....nothing comparable with the factory vessels getting new licenses  !

 

Just you start discovering all the new things the fantastic brexit brought ....i can understand on U.K. side 45 years of easy access can confuse now becoming a third country  ....same rules as before does not exist anymore ... oh you go get used to it and adapt to it ....give it some time ..????

You can't refuse to give fishing licenses on the basis that Chris from Greenpeace doesn't want the license issued

 Boris Johnson has already stated he wants to stop the supertrawlers plundering the fishing stocks of the British coast and has ordered officials to examine ways of doing so while sticking to the terms of the post-Brexit trade deal.

[vinny41]

28 minutes ago, david555 said:

Boris double tongue ....Vinny ....just Boris his normal bluster ...????

Banning Scandinavians  one day and next day getting a ban from them ..." tit for tat"  Vinny ....nothing surprising ...unless for the brexiteers ...????

 

Where were Scandinavians banned from 

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You can't refuse to give fishing licenses on the basis that Chris from Greenpeace doesn't want the license issued

 Boris Johnson has already stated he wants to stop the supertrawlers plundering the fishing stocks of the British coast and has ordered officials to examine ways of doing so while sticking to the terms of the post-Brexit trade deal.

So he just have to refuse the licenses ...(If not given already ..????) ...easy peace of cake ... let see what go happen ...????

Matter solved then ....

[david555]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Where were Scandinavians banned from 

Even faroe island and another and Norway banned uk. Vessels after they where banned from U.K. waters ...it was on my post and even on From France post ...

Your Big factory ships where crying faul on it they could no go for that fish you Brits like so much and have not in your own waters ...????

 

Come on Vinny you did read that .... i guess you ar not yet in dementia age so must be able to remember 

 

Or is that again your usual " link please trick "  if facts haunts you ????

[transam]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

So he just have to refuse the licenses ...(If not given already ..????) ...easy peace of cake ... let see what go happen ...????

Matter solved then ....

Indeed, Brexit is done, just a few things to sort out, much the same as any new start up...

Any news on your increased EU payments yet, I hear you are heading back there soon....?

[vogie]

12 hours ago, tebee said:

 

I didn't change anything - I quoted the article as written  

The author stated:

"Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey risked reigniting the politically charged debate over Brexit by predicting that the trade deal struck with the European Union could end up costing the U.K. economy the equivalent of more than 80 billion pounds ($109 billion)."

So basically he is guessing and doesn't know, just the same as the rest of us, I put more faith in Mystic Meg predicting what will happen.

 

He then goes on to say that in practice only time will tell, so it is just another attempt of scare tactics.

"What happens in practice will depend on how much disruption Britain experiences in the next few weeks, and then how quickly the economy adjusts to the new trading arrangements, he said."

 

The remainer media have been telling us all lies from day one and many remainers have swallowed those lies quicker than a Brown Trout taking a fishermans Mayfly.

 

[vinny41]

49 minutes ago, david555 said:

Boris double tongue ....Vinny ....just Boris his normal bluster ...????

Banning Scandinavians  one day and next day getting a ban from them ..." tit for tat"  Vinny ....nothing surprising ...unless for the brexiteers ...????

 

Suggest you reread this post as it about people not ships

You are correct words are cheap This article states we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries

Now, one day after the end of transition, we have multiple potential breaches across different EU countries of the Withdrawal Agreement rights of UK beneficiaries.

https://www.britishineurope.org/articles/67339-travel-chaos-for-uk-residents-in-the-eu

 

or is the case that the EU can't be trusted to honor agreements they sign

[david555]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed, Brexit is done, just a few things to sort out, much the same as any new start up...

Any news on your increased EU payments yet, I hear you are heading back there soon....?

Dont worry  I can go back to my country with no problems waiting me .....???? 

So you know i go same as others getting  a pension rise of 22% spread over 4 years coming besides our non freezing as yours

...Amazing you follow my country news too ????

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, david555 said:

Even faroe island and another and Norway banned uk. Vessels after they where banned from U.K. waters ...it was on my post and even on From France post ...

Your Big factory ships where crying faul on it they could no go for that fish you Brits like so much and have not in your own waters ...????

 

Come on Vinny you did read that .... i guess you ar not yet in dementia age so must be able to remember 

 

Or is that again your usual " link please trick "  if facts haunts you ????

Nothing in your post or link about ships being banned 

[david555]

Just now, vinny41 said:

Nothing in your post or link about ships being banned 

Another "link please "one...

Forum rules asking link for news articles posted ..not personal posts...

Would become nice  if all posts must have a link ....blue allover TVF????????????

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Another "link please "one...

Forum rules asking link for news articles posted ..not personal posts...

Would become nice  if all posts must have a link ....blue allover TVF????????????

So no ships banned then and no Scandinavians(people) Banned either

and there is nothing stopping you requoting your own post or the post from france if you can remember which one it is

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by vinny41

[luckyluke]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed, Brexit is done, just a few things to sort out, much the same as any new start up...

Any news on your increased EU payments yet, I hear you are heading back there soon....?

 

I think it is rather early to have any news about what concrete impact the absence of the U.K. financial contribution will have on the daily life of the man in the street in the E.U..

 

I suppose there is also no news yet about what concrete benefit the man in the street in the U.K. will have from this spare money.  

[david555]

43 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Where were Scandinavians banned from 

This article was the result on Boris banning Norway out of the waters just a few days before , tit for tat ...

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1379479/brexit-news-fishing-fisheries-boris-johnson-trade-deal-norway-greenland-faroes-eu-uk

Edited January 8, 2021 by david555