UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Scottish fish prices ‘collapsing’ by as much as 80% due to Brexit bureaucracy......but then I keep forgetting....these events don't matter to a true Brexiteer.

On the French side “When you have fewer sellers, there’s less choice on price, and sometimes quality,”

Fish exports have also been hit in the opposite direction.

The need for Boulogne wholesalers to obtain the license, signature and boat registration of each skipper made it impossible to send a mixed load of mullet from France, turbot from Belgium and sea urchins from Spain to a buyer in Britain. Customs charges added hundreds of euros to costs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-france-fish/weve-lost-30-years-brexit-shatters-supply-chains-for-french-fish-hub-idUSL8N2JM5YG

Edited January 13, 2021 by vinny41
forgot url

[vinny41]

Looks Like the EU taxpayer will be paying more into the Pot

Ireland to receive €1bn from EU's post-Brexit fund

Ireland is due to receive over €1 billion from the European Union's Brexit fund, set up to help member states most affected by Britain's departure from the bloc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/0112/1189279-eu-fisheries-fund/

[tebee]

39 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Looks Like the EU taxpayer will be paying more into the Pot

Ireland to receive €1bn from EU's post-Brexit fund

Ireland is due to receive over €1 billion from the European Union's Brexit fund, set up to help member states most affected by Britain's departure from the bloc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/0112/1189279-eu-fisheries-fund/

 

yes, funny how the EU is supporting people hit by Brexit, while our Government prefers to let them rot. 

[7by7]

7 hours ago, transam said:

As a retired person, I am in my retirement home, but even in retirement I have my own opinions regarding my country.

 And you have the perfect right to express them; within the forum rules, of course.

 

But your regularly repeated sneers show that you wish to deny those who disagree with you that right!

 

I am a patriot, I am behind my country. I firmly believe that Brexit is the worst mistake my country has made in my lifetime. Many polls and even the last GE share of the vote show this is a view shared by an ever growing proportion of those most affected; British citizens living in the UK.

 

8 hours ago, transam said:

The Axis countries caused your country way more problems that your country overcame with time, perhaps they had more backbone back then, eh..

Shouldn't that be "our country" and "we had more backbone!!?"

 

Or is this a Freudian slip and you are not actually, or don't consider yourself to be, British?

 

Yes, we did overcome most of the problems caused by the war. We may also eventually overcome many of the problems caused by Brexit. But surely it's better to avoid those problems in the first place?

 

Even Chamberlain eventually saw that war was inevitable. But Brexit wasn't.

 

8 hours ago, transam said:

Paperwork, do you handle paperwork in your daily job routine, do you deal with it, yes, I think so.

 Going from no required paperwork to masses of required documentation overnight is not routine! So much so that HMG has produced page after page of guidance on what is now required!

 

People will get used to it; but it will never be as quick and simple as not requiring any paperwork at all!

 

8 hours ago, transam said:

The sandwiches, did it happen in the UK, no, it happened in one of the countries we left behind who are obviously being sh_tty..In fact childish, but to be expected from those smarting over the loss of UK cash..

 

The tired, old Brexiteer complaint that the EU expect us to comply with the same rules as all other non members!

 

I know Vote.Leave told you that we could retain all the advantages of membership after we left; but surely even you must by now realise that was not true!

 

From the HMG guidance

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Bringing food and drink into EU countries

Drivers travelling to the EU should be aware of additional restrictions to personal imports. If you are carrying prohibited items in your luggage, vehicle or person you need to use, consume, or dispose of them at or before the border.

You cannot bring POAO (products of an animal origin) such as those containing meat or dairy (e.g. a ham and cheese sandwich) into the EU. There are exceptions to this rule for certain quantities of powdered infant milk, infant food, special foods, or special processed pet feed. Find out more on the rules and exemptions in the European Commission guidance on personal imports.

 

If you can be bothered to read the links, you will learn that, despite your wish that this were some childishly spiteful attack by the EU in revenge for Brexit, they are in fact now applying the same rules to us that apply at all EU borders with non member states; with a few exceptions where the rules are not as strict such as borders with EFTA and Switzerland.

 

We used to be covered by the EU rules on this; but no doubt will bring in our own with which to replace them; if we haven't already done so.

 

8 hours ago, transam said:

You, in the UK, are making comments on a Thai forum 6000 miles away that achieves nothing. Pot/Kettle...

This is the World News forum; who put you in charge of who can and cannot post here?

 

Unlike you, I am not telling people to 'get behind your country' and support this disastrous decision despite choosing to live 6000 miles away and so escaping most of the effects of Brexit.

8 hours ago, transam said:

Well it is your daily duty it seems to trash anything your country voted for, so it would be nice to hear something from you in a positive light, for the simple reason, you or I cannot change anything, so can you give me your opinion on this below, just for a change...????

 

 

 

So the UK may send a request to join the CPTTP within months!

 

No guarantee, of course, that such a request would be granted.

 

From Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)

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What would the UK have to do in order to join the CPTPP?

A state that wants to join has to inform the New Zealand government (the depositary of the agreement), which will then inform the other members. The CPTPP Commission then decides whether or not to start an accession process. If it decides to start the process, a working group would be formed. The UK would have to explain to the working group how it was going to comply with the CPTPP rules.

 

Comply with the CPTPP rules! Don't Brexiteers tell us that we left the EU so we could make our own rules?

 

There's more

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What would the UK get out of CPTPP membership?

The government has still not conducted an assessment of the economic impact of joining CPTPP. Its most recent policy paper on the subject just gives figures for how much trade the UK does in the region already and what percentage of tariffs would be eliminated under the agreement – which says little about what benefits would actually accrue to the UK.

The benefits of joining the CPTPP are also likely to depend on how successful the UK is at replacing, or ‘rolling over’, the existing FTAs it enjoys as an EU member state. The EU has signed FTAs with all of the CPTPP countries except Malaysia, Brunei, Australia and New Zealand, which the UK is therefore party to until the transition period ends. If the UK is able to roll over these existing EU–CPTPP agreements – admittedly far from guaranteed given the cool responses to the suggestion from Canada, Japan, Mexico, Singapore and Vietnam – the benefits of CPTPP membership could become quite limited.

 

That article is from last July; but the latest official HMG policy paper on the matter is dated 17th June! 

 

Despite what your video says, the deals Truss has 'negotiated' so far are simply roll overs of existing EU deals or, like the Japanese one, she has merely been allowed the crumbs which the EU didn't want. 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Scottish fish prices ‘collapsing’ by as much as 80% due to Brexit bureaucracy......but then I keep forgetting....these events don't matter to a true Brexiteer.

 

Brexit bureaucracy. Err nope.

[tebee]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Brexit bureaucracy. Err nope.

But certainly bureaucracy caused by Brexit!

[Hi from France]

According to the Telegraph sourcing NI food products in the UK is becoming impossible 

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He gave as an example one member of his trade body - an “international, large business, well prepared for Brexit. A consignment which the paperwork previously took three hours for has now taken five days - so far,” Mr Wright told the committee.

 

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Retailers in Ireland are already looking to “rationalise” their supply chains by sourcing more products from the EU to avoid the new red tape

 

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Stephen Phipson, the trade body’s chief executive, said “rules of origin” regulations governing how much of a product’s components can be produced outside the UK or EU were a particular issue.

 

“Before we left this was not an issue so no one kept records on this,” he said. “That’s very different now and a problem particularly for smaller companies.”

 

Project fear? 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/13/post-brexit-food-supply-problems-will-get-worse-mps-warned/

 

[Hi from France]

ouch

 

Brexit stops speeding tickets at the border

The UK’s exit means a deal on motoring offenses no longer applies to British drivers in the EU, and vice versa.

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France stands to lose up to €60 million per year in unpaid tickets, according to the French motoring site Caradisiac.

https://www.politico.eu/article/speeding-ticket-enforcement-reversed-after-brexit/

 

[tebee]

28 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

ouch

 

Brexit stops speeding tickets at the border

The UK’s exit means a deal on motoring offenses no longer applies to British drivers in the EU, and vice versa.

https://www.politico.eu/article/speeding-ticket-enforcement-reversed-after-brexit/

 

And the UK will lose all the income from speeding EU drivers.

 

I suspect France will go back to the system they used before, where they marched you to the nearest cash point to pay the fine on the spot.

[vogie]

46 minutes ago, tebee said:

And the UK will lose all the income from speeding EU drivers.

 

I suspect France will go back to the system they used before, where they marched you to the nearest cash point to pay the fine on the spot.

Note to self: When in France, don't speed.

[transam]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 And you have the perfect right to express them; within the forum rules, of course.

 

But your regularly repeated sneers show that you wish to deny those who disagree with you that right!

 

I am a patriot, I am behind my country. I firmly believe that Brexit is the worst mistake my country has made in my lifetime. Many polls and even the last GE share of the vote show this is a view shared by an ever growing proportion of those most affected; British citizens living in the UK.

 

Shouldn't that be "our country" and "we had more backbone!!?"

 

Or is this a Freudian slip and you are not actually, or don't consider yourself to be, British?

 

Yes, we did overcome most of the problems caused by the war. We may also eventually overcome many of the problems caused by Brexit. But surely it's better to avoid those problems in the first place?

 

Even Chamberlain eventually saw that war was inevitable. But Brexit wasn't.

 

 Going from no required paperwork to masses of required documentation overnight is not routine! So much so that HMG has produced page after page of guidance on what is now required!

 

People will get used to it; but it will never be as quick and simple as not requiring any paperwork at all!

 

 

The tired, old Brexiteer complaint that the EU expect us to comply with the same rules as all other non members!

 

I know Vote.Leave told you that we could retain all the advantages of membership after we left; but surely even you must by now realise that was not true!

 

From the HMG guidance

 

If you can be bothered to read the links, you will learn that, despite your wish that this were some childishly spiteful attack by the EU in revenge for Brexit, they are in fact now applying the same rules to us that apply at all EU borders with non member states; with a few exceptions where the rules are not as strict such as borders with EFTA and Switzerland.

 

We used to be covered by the EU rules on this; but no doubt will bring in our own with which to replace them; if we haven't already done so.

 

This is the World News forum; who put you in charge of who can and cannot post here?

 

Unlike you, I am not telling people to 'get behind your country' and support this disastrous decision despite choosing to live 6000 miles away and so escaping most of the effects of Brexit.

 

So the UK may send a request to join the CPTTP within months!

 

No guarantee, of course, that such a request would be granted.

 

From Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)

 

Comply with the CPTPP rules! Don't Brexiteers tell us that we left the EU so we could make our own rules?

 

There's more

 

That article is from last July; but the latest official HMG policy paper on the matter is dated 17th June! 

 

Despite what your video says, the deals Truss has 'negotiated' so far are simply roll overs of existing EU deals or, like the Japanese one, she has merely been allowed the crumbs which the EU didn't want. 

Thank you very much for the reply, it was perfect, bang on the (expected) money....

Not one single word of praise for your countries efforts to move on.......????

[transam]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

And the UK will lose all the income from speeding EU drivers.

 

I suspect France will go back to the system they used before, where they marched you to the nearest cash point to pay the fine on the spot.

I am really looking forward to tomorrow's 'remainer' efforts................

Cabbages must come into it at sometime or another....????

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

Note to self: When in France, don't speed.

Nearly bought a Vitesse once but the floor fell out when I floored it.

[tebee]

6 hours ago, transam said:

I am really looking forward to tomorrow's 'remainer' efforts................

Cabbages must come into it at sometime or another....????

Us remainers are keeping ourselves amused watching the mental contortions leavers are going through trying to convince themselves Brexit actually had some upsides.

Cognitive dissonance has a lot to answer for!

[Hi from France]

8 hours ago, tebee said:

And the UK will lose all the income from speeding EU drivers.

 

I suspect France will go back to the system they used before, where they marched you to the nearest cash point to pay the fine on the spot.

I don't think so: most speeding tickets are automated radar systems. 

 

Now maybe in the future plate numbers will be checked at motorway tolls and unpaid tickets will be enforced there? 

 

And, this loss of judicial cooperation will also let more serious criminals roam free, not to mention civil matters like divorces between UK and EU citizens are to become more complicated and painful. 

 

 

Interesting paper on the repositioning of the UK on international affairs :

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The head of the foreign affairs thinktank Chatham House, Robin Niblett, wrote this week that Britain will fail after Brexit if it tries to recreate itself as “a mini great power”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/brexit-uk-should-aim-to-be-a-global-broker-not-a-great-power-says-report

Edited January 14, 2021 by Hi from France

[transam]

43 minutes ago, tebee said:

Us remainers are keeping ourselves amused watching the mental contortions leavers are going through trying to convince themselves Brexit actually had some upsides.

Cognitive dissonance has a lot to answer for!

Really, give me his name, just for a giggle....?  

[tebee]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Really, give me his name, just for a giggle....?  

Maybe this person

 

Then

 

 

now 

 

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

Thank you very much for the reply, it was perfect, bang on the (expected) money....

Not one single word of praise for your countries efforts to move on.......????

 

"Your countries?" If you are the British patriot you claim to be, shouldn't that "our country's?" Unless, as I said before, you are either not British or no longer consider yourself such?

 

I have not posted a simple word of praise about my country's efforts to move on from the disaster which is Brexit because I cannot find anything about the debacle worthy of praise.

 

Perhaps you can provide something?

[7by7]

I wonder if our resident Brexiteers can provide any arguments, let alone facts, with which to counter those in Brexit: The reality dawns.

 

Somehow I doubt it. Brexiteers are not known for answering the difficult questions.

[david555]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383906/eu-news-brexit-trade-deal-cptpp-boris-johnson-australia-us-joe-biden-spt

EU invited to join CPTPP as rug pulled from under Boris Johnson's Brexit dream

THE EU has been invited to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) - the free trade area with 11 countries the UK is hoping to enter - by Australian Senator Eric Abetz.

By Martina Bet

09:40, Thu, Jan 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:52, Thu, Jan 14, 2021

 

more...

[tebee]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I wonder if our resident Brexiteers can provide any arguments, let alone facts, with which to counter those in Brexit: The reality dawns.

 

Somehow I doubt it. Brexiteers are not known for answering the difficult questions.

I also wonder  if those Brexiters can name one real benefit from Brexit, inspite of all that was promised   

[Hi from France]

22 minutes ago, tebee said:

I also wonder  if those Brexiters can name one real benefit from Brexit, inspite of all that was promised   

From what I understand reading them here, their "benefit" is best summed up by: "you're screwed now, too late". 

[Hi from France]

33 minutes ago, tebee said:

I also wonder  if those Brexiters can name one real benefit from Brexit, inspite of all that was promised   

I just got a better answer from jrm

 

 

 

I think @vinny41would agree with the fish happiness factor except for this https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1200702-exclusive-its-a-catastrophe-scottish-fishermen-halt-exports-due-to-brexit-red-tape/?do=findComment&comment=16157338

Edited January 14, 2021 by Hi from France

[bkkcanuck8]

45 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I just got a better answer from jrm

 

 

 

I think @vinny41would agree with the fish happiness factor except for this https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1200702-exclusive-its-a-catastrophe-scottish-fishermen-halt-exports-due-to-brexit-red-tape/?do=findComment&comment=16157338

The British fish are probably happier because they figure soon.... there will be less fishermen to catch them...

[vinny41]

7 hours ago, david555 said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383906/eu-news-brexit-trade-deal-cptpp-boris-johnson-australia-us-joe-biden-spt

EU invited to join CPTPP as rug pulled from under Boris Johnson's Brexit dream

THE EU has been invited to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) - the free trade area with 11 countries the UK is hoping to enter - by Australian Senator Eric Abetz.

By Martina Bet

09:40, Thu, Jan 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:52, Thu, Jan 14, 2021

 

more...

Are you sure that the EU will want to accepted an invitation from someone that the Chinese ambassador to Australia has compared Eric Abetz to Joseph Goebbels, likening the Liberal Senator’s tactics to Nazi propaganda.

Abetz great-uncle was Hitler’s ambassador to Paris and a convicted Nazi war criminal.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/10/23/china-eric-abetz-joseph-goebbels/

 

Otto Abetz was Hitler's ambassador to occupied France and convicted in 1949 of crimes that included deporting French Jews to the death camps.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/peter-abetz-says-nazi-war-criminal-great-uncle-otto-did-some-positive-things-20150805-giry7o.html

[david555]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Are you sure that the EU will want to accepted an invitation from someone that the Chinese ambassador to Australia has compared Eric Abetz to Joseph Goebbels, likening the Liberal Senator’s tactics to Nazi propaganda.

Abetz great-uncle was Hitler’s ambassador to Paris and a convicted Nazi war criminal.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/10/23/china-eric-abetz-joseph-goebbels/

 

Otto Abetz was Hitler's ambassador to occupied France and convicted in 1949 of crimes that included deporting French Jews to the death camps.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/peter-abetz-says-nazi-war-criminal-great-uncle-otto-did-some-positive-things-20150805-giry7o.html

I am not sure of anithing Vinny ...just bringing the article ....are you sure of ALL articles you quote ? ????

 

It is funny to see most defence of attacks on a unpleasant article for brexit is alway answered with deep digged facts or asumptions about ww's ....seems no other fefence is to find ...deep English trauma  i would say....

 

In many if not all a "black sheep " in family's is to find i guess ....naturraly most in those nationals who lost a war ....????

 

Oh dear ! all those descendants from that  king Who let chopped the heads of from his ex wifes are blamed now too for his actions ????

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by david555

[vinny41]

17 minutes ago, david555 said:

I am not sure of anithing Vinny ...just bringing the article ....are you sure of ALL articles you quote ? ????

Are you doubting West Australian MP Peter Abetz, brother of Senator Eric Abetz, says his reaction was "mixed" when he first learned his great uncle was a convicted Nazi war criminal.

How about a link from the Guardian if you have concerns about Australian media

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/05/peter-abetz-points-to-positive-legacy-of-his-high-ranking-nazi-great-uncle

Edited January 15, 2021 by vinny41
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[david555]

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Are you doubting West Australian MP Peter Abetz, brother of Senator Eric Abetz, says his reaction was "mixed" when he first learned his great uncle was a convicted Nazi war criminal.

Again Vinny i am just bringing that article because the funny line about the rug pulled under Boris ...????

So no reason for me to doubt anything ....????

Keep blaming childeren for the actions from parents or grandparents ...you can find endless examples fom the defeated in wars ....

Do you Brits can ever let the past go .....? Or no futher ...or a scary one ...pathetic i must say ????

 

Now by second reading i see you expanded even to a " great uncle " ????... 

Come on go chase all descendants from Jack the ripper now ...

Oh dear i forgot ....they never found out who he was ....???? ????

Edited January 15, 2021 by david555

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

"Your countries?" If you are the British patriot you claim to be, shouldn't that "our country's?" Unless, as I said before, you are either not British or no longer consider yourself such?

 

I have not posted a simple word of praise about my country's efforts to move on from the disaster which is Brexit because I cannot find anything about the debacle worthy of praise.

 

Perhaps you can provide something?

No, the word is "your", pointing at you.......????

"Not posted a simple" word......Hmmmmm.....????

 

So you want stuff handed to you on a plate before you will back your country, then you may post something positive, in other words, because the Brexit vote did not go your way you are going to just sit back and sulk until you see something positive, so in your opinion folk should all sit back and sulk until others work stuff out, crazy.

 

 

 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Again Vinny i am just bringing that article because the funny line about the rug pulled under Boris ...????

So no reason for me to doubt anything ....????

I suspect you only read the headline and you didn't dive deeper and actually read the article as you would have found

"I think it would be fantastic to get the EU into the CPTPP, but they would not be able to join at the moment.

"With their approach on agriculture and standards, it is impossible for them to accede.

"This doesn't mean they can't change their approaches."

He noted: "It would be good for the world if they did and I am hopeful that somebody in the EU trade department is trying to figure out what to change in order to become an accession country."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383906/eu-news-brexit-trade-deal-cptpp-boris-johnson-australia-us-joe-biden-spt

 

The EU to change their approach on agriculture and standards make get rid of the common agricultural policy that will go down like a lead balloon with the French

Alan Winters, director of the Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex, suggested the bloc could indeed decide to join after Britain and the US, for fear of a competitive and huge trade organisation at their doorstep.