Brexit is Britain punishing itself, France's Beaune says

[baansgr]

14 hours ago, sandyf said:

If you have to ask the question, you wouldn't understand the detail.

Typical deflective response....if I supposedly wouldnt understand, then please be as kind to enlighten and educate me...I'm all ears....just because politicians like Fatty Abbott get away with not answering questions, dosnt mean the same applies to open forums.

[Blue Muton]

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

You have been shown enough evidence to substantiate the claims, should you wish to keep denying them is purely a matter for yourself, you are the one that introduced the biased Electoral Commission into the debate to justify your claim that the reason the Leave camp won was because of cheating. I am sure that you could go on for ever making these excuses, but quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. 

Zero evidence of corruption by the EC has been shown, stop lying.

[Blue Muton]

49 minutes ago, transam said:

But, was Brexit cancelled, as you seem to think it was very serious issue...........?  ????

I've already answered that point twice in this thread alone, don't blame me for your lapses in attention

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

I've already answered that point twice in this thread alone, don't blame me for your lapses in attention

I must have missed it, can you give me the post number or rewrite it for me...?  Thanks..

[pixelaoffy]

4 hours ago, Opl said:

imagine that,  Brexiteers telling "the EU wants to punish the UK";  When It's Always Someone Else's Fault . Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's  

Another meaningless reply from a loser 

[Kwasaki]

Not much punishment going on at boarder crossings Mr Beaune the French ports are doing great job occording to France 24 News channel. ????

[Blue Muton]

53 minutes ago, transam said:

I must have missed it, can you give me the post number or rewrite it for me...?  Thanks..

I'm the porcine member, you need the supine member for that.

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

....whilst four years later the leave campaign continue to ilegally withold the source of a £400,000 donation. Surely you would agree that transparency is an essential element of democracy?

I assume you talking about the £400,000 donation received by the DUP , maybe your not aware that has been fully investigated by the  Electoral Commission

you should be aware up to July 2017 on the grounds of Security

.The Commission recognises the restrictions on transparency of donations to Northern Ireland parties means that certain information about these which would otherwise be made public is limited.

 

[Opl]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Not much punishment going on at boarder crossings Mr Beaune the French ports are doing great job occording to France 24 News channel. ????

 

Back to September 2020:  "We will not compromise over Brexit deal due to UK warnings of massive lorry jams and two-day delays at the Channel ports, says France's europe minister." (Clément Beaune)

Brexit: France will not be intimidated by talk of lorry jams (connexionfrance.com)

 

[bodga]

none of  your  business  froggy

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

Morally corrupt you say? Let's look at Peter Bone's record:

 

Consistently voted against equal gay rights: 0 votes for, 9 votes against, between 2008–2019

 

Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights: 1 vote for, 10 votes against, 3 absences, between 2009–2019

 

Generally voted against smoking ban: 3 votes for, 3 votes against, 1 absence, between 2006–2015

 

Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex: 0 votes for, 4 votes against, between 2013–2019

 

Consistently voted against restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS: 0 votes for, 7 votes against, between 2011–2012

 

Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax"): 14 votes for, 0 votes against, 4 absences, between 2012–2018

 

Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability: 0 votes for, 15 votes against, between 2011–2016

 

Consistently voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs: 0 votes for, 4 votes against, between 2010–2020

 

Consistently voted against a wholly elected House of Lords: 1 vote for, 6 votes against, between 2007–2016

 

Consistently voted against removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords: 0 votes for, 2 votes against, between 2011–2016

 

Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly: 3 votes for, 26 votes against, 4 absences, between 2014–2020

 

Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament: 5 votes for, 44 votes against, between 2011–2020

 

Generally voted against more powers for local councils: 15 votes for, 29 votes against, 5 absences, between 2010–2018

 

Almost always voted against a lower voting age: 0 votes for, 4 votes against, 1 absence, between 2005–2016

 

Generally voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000: 0 votes for, 9 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2015

 

Generally voted against higher taxes on banks: 4 votes for, 9 votes against, 2 absences, between 2011–2018

 

Almost always voted for reducing capital gains tax: 8 votes for, 1 vote against, between 2010–2016

 

Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000:  1 vote for, 0 votes against, in 2010

 

Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education: 2 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2011

 

Consistently voted for university tuition fees: 5 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2010–2017

 

Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities: 3 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2016

 

Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change: 6 votes for, 19 votes against, 7 absences, between 2008–2020

 

Generally voted against financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods: 1 vote for, 5 votes against, between 2011–2018

 

Consistently voted against slowing the rise in rail fares: 0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013

 

Generally voted against greater regulation of gambling: 4 votes for, 5 votes against, 2 absences, between 2005–2014

 

Generally voted for restricting the scope of legal aid: 8 votes for, 1 vote against, 3 absences, between 2011–2014

 

Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents: 0 votes for, 4 votes against, 2 absences, between 2014–2018

 

So in summary, screw the ill, disabled and otherwise less well off, reduce taxes for the already rich and stuff the environment. And you want to use this guy as some kind of moral compass?

Peter Bone's voting record speaks for itself - he's a bloody good bloke. He'd certainly get my vote.

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.

 

[transam]

It is amusing that a few here keep telling us the future outcome of Brexit.......????

 

Even those of us that voted for Brexit don't know the future outcome except that we are now free, no longer being told what to do.

Now if you have been on the star ship Enterprise to actually see for yourself the UK's future, then please tell, other than that, we have all read the doom and gloom from folk like yourself over the last 5 years, and do you know what, with all that doom and gloom waffle the UK voted a second time to rid ourselves of the future U.S. of G..

 

If your life revolves around, and believing what you see in the T-leaves, that is up to you ...????

[luckyluke]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

It is amusing that a few here keep telling us the future outcome of Brexit.......????

 

Even those of us that voted for Brexit don't know the future outcome except that we are now free, no longer being told what to do.

Now if you have been on the star ship Enterprise to actually see for yourself the UK's future, then please tell, other than that, we have all read the doom and gloom from folk like yourself over the last 5 years, and do you know what, with all that doom and gloom waffle the UK voted a second time to rid ourselves of the future U.S. of G..

 

If your life revolves around, and believing what you see in the T-leaves, that is up to you ...????

 

" no longer being told what to do" .

 

Is very relative statement, in my opinion;

 

if one wish to be member of a group, it is evident that one has to abide to the rules established by this group.

 

If not pleased, or no more pleased, with these rules, one simply don't become member, or leave the group.

[herfiehandbag]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

" no longer being told what to do" .

 

Is very relative statement, in my opinion;

 

if one wish to be member of a group, it is evident that one has to abide to the rules established by this group.

 

If not pleased, or no more pleased, with these rules, one simply don't become member, or leave the group.

Which we have, and subsequently reached an agreement with the group as to how (both parties) can interact and trade.

 

Now to return to the original post, as I have said before, the "wibbles" of a relatively junior French politician, weighing in with an attempt to impress his superiors, whether for advancement within French politics, or in  an attempt to be noticed by (and gain approval from) the Brussels "elite" are entirely inconsequential.

Edited January 3, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[pixelaoffy]

And Macron uses his new year diatribe to guess what .. attack UK for LEAVING EU because it 'causing unease ' within EU .. ah so now it's not the UK bashing for so called 'self harm ' as this Beaune character claims..it's for leaving the mafia club and giving 

ideas to other member states. .. Sums up how weak the institution is at the core 

 

 https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1378509/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-uk-eu-deal-brexit-day-David-Frost-Brexit

Edited January 3, 2021 by pixelaoffy

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

" no longer being told what to do" .

 

Is very relative statement, in my opinion;

 

if one wish to be member of a group, it is evident that one has to abide to the rules established by this group.

 

If not pleased, or no more pleased, with these rules, one simply don't become member, or leave the group.

Yes but when you join a golf club and you start to notice that the golf club is secretly putting up rugby posts you have to ask yourself the question, I joined to play golf and not rugby. And on the golf club away days we end up at Twickenham, it is time to say 'this is not what I want from this club.'

[luckyluke]

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

Which we have, and subsequently reached an agreement with the group as to how (both parties) can interact and trade.

 

Correct.

 

My point however is that :

 

"no longer being told what to do"

 

is a relative statement.

 

As agreed initially, one do what's being told.

 

If no more agreed to do so, one leave.

 

 

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes but when you join a golf club and you start to notice that the golf club is secretly putting up rugby posts you have to ask yourself the question, I joined to play golf and not rugby. And on the golf club away days we end up at Twickenham, it is time to say 'this is not what I want from this club.'

 

Absolutely agree,

one follow the rules of the club,

if one has the impression that the club is breaking the rules/ playing false,

one leave the club.

[herfiehandbag]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes but when you join a golf club and you start to notice that the golf club is secretly putting up rugby posts you have to ask yourself the question, I joined to play golf and not rugby. And on the golf club away days we end up at Twickenham, it is time to say 'this is not what I want from this club.'

Well, speaking as an (ex) rugby player (prop forward - admittedly not a breed who have ever been regarded as brimming with intellectual clarity) who has never so much as touched a golf bat...

????

Edited January 3, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[luckyluke]

23 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Which we have, and subsequently reached an agreement with the group as to how (both parties) can interact and trade.

 

Now to return to the original post, as I have said before, the "wibbles" of a relatively junior French politician, weighing in with an attempt to impress his superiors, whether for advancement within French politics, or in  an attempt to be noticed by (and gain approval from) the Brussels "elite" are entirely inconsequential.

 

I wonder, why one consider what a junior politician is saying, as of any importance.

 

I personally don't even consider what a senior politician is saying, as important/believable. 

 

" Politicians speak with forked tongue ".

 

[Hi from France]

On 1/1/2021 at 12:21 PM, Grusa said:

May I speak for the great unwashed who are fed up to the back teeth with hearing about Brexit.

 

After years of bitching, moaning, wailing and gnashing of teeth....it's done! 

 

Brexeternity The notion that Brexit will never in fact be over; that Britain will be stuck half-in and half-out of the European Union forever, condemned to permanent and mind-numbingly awful negotiations until kingdom come (coined by Tony Blair’s Europe minister Denis MacShane

 

 

 

[transam]

18 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

Brexeternity The notion that Brexit will never in fact be over; that Britain will be stuck half-in and half-out of the European Union forever, condemned to permanent and mind-numbingly awful negotiations until kingdom come (coined by Tony Blair’s Europe minister Denis MacShane

 

 

 

If you really are  from across the channel, you come across as being very envious of the UK's freedom....????

But if you are British, chin up, ol' chap......????

[Rimmer]

A baiting post and some replies have been removed

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

" no longer being told what to do" .

 

Is very relative statement, in my opinion;

 

if one wish to be member of a group, it is evident that one has to abide to the rules established by this group.

 

If not pleased, or no more pleased, with these rules, one simply don't become member, or leave the group.

 

All fine, except that leaving this mess is evidently not that simple.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

Brexeternity The notion that Brexit will never in fact be over; that Britain will be stuck half-in and half-out of the European Union forever, condemned to permanent and mind-numbingly awful negotiations until kingdom come (coined by Tony Blair’s Europe minister Denis MacShane

 

 

 

 

Probably  not the only thing he coined.

[luckyluke]

Just now, nauseus said:

 

All fine, except that leaving this mess is evidently not that simple.

 

There wasn't a problem at all to leave. ( This mess being a personal  perception )

 

The problems started when both parties, absolutely wanted to continue to do business together.

 

 

 

[nauseus]

52 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

There wasn't a problem at all to leave. ( This mess being a personal  perception )

 

The problems started when both parties, absolutely wanted to continue to do business together.

 

 

 

 

So it is a problem then. Innit?

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

So it is a problem then. Innit?

 

If you call Brexit a problem, no.

 

There were no problems between the U.K. and the E.U. to manage the exit of the U.K. out of the E. U..

There were problems in the U.K. to finalize Brexit, but that is a pure U.K. matter.

 

 

I you call the negotiations a problem, yes.

 

It took a lot of time, energy, money to come to an agreement.

Future will tell us, if it was worth the effort.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

If you call Brexit a problem, no.

 

There were no problems between the U.K. and the E.U. to manage the exit of the U.K. out of the E. U..

There were problems in the U.K. to finalize Brexit, but that is a pure U.K. matter.

 

 

I you call the negotiations a problem, yes.

 

It took a lot of time, energy, money to come to an agreement.

Future will tell us, if it was worth the effort.

 

That second line made me spill my tea.