UK could become 'a failed state' without reform, former UK PM Brown says

[vogie]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson won’t last that long.

 

Empty rhetoric born out of revenge. 

 

[Surelynot]

Just now, vogie said:

Empty rhetoric born out of revenge. 

 

Who would be crazy enough to take over in the present circumstances?

 

I think he will be kept in post as a focus for everything that is/will going wrong and then he will be dumped just before the next election for golden boy Rishi.....unless of course everyone forgets 100,000 dead and Brexit turns out to be an economic miracle.....555

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Who would be crazy enough to take over in the present circumstances?

 

I think he will be kept in post as a focus for everything that is/will going wrong and then he will be dumped just before the next election for golden boy Rishi.....unless of course everyone forgets 100,000 dead and Brexit turns out to be an economic miracle.....555

 

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Who would be crazy enough to take over in the present circumstances?

 

I think he will be kept in post as a focus for everything that is/will going wrong and then he will be dumped just before the next election for golden boy Rishi.....unless of course everyone forgets 100,000 dead and Brexit turns out to be an economic miracle.....555

Wishfull thinking is a big problem to some remainers, remind me, did Trump manage to buy the NHS before his departure or was that just another remainer project fear. 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

Empty rhetoric born out of revenge. 

 

You need to look up the meaning of Rhetoric.

 

My prediction of Johnson’s fate is not it.

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Who would be crazy enough to take over in the present circumstances?

 

I think he will be kept in post as a focus for everything that is/will going wrong and then he will be dumped just before the next election for golden boy Rishi.....unless of course everyone forgets 100,000 dead and Brexit turns out to be an economic miracle.....555

 

It looks like the blame may be spreading beyond Johnson, with focus turning to Sunak. 

 

Why Rishi Sunak can’t escape blame for the Covid-19 crisis

The Chancellor recklessly encouraged workers back to offices, diners to eat out and told the public to “live without fear”. 

[soalbundy]

On 1/26/2021 at 10:21 AM, Surelynot said:

I would argue that the "could" should be a "will"....

 

SNP are on a roll, big wins coming for them in May and then Indy2......all thanks to Johnson's total arrogance and dismissive approach to the other three nations.....he never has been and never will be a leader in any real sense of the word.

 

His lasting legacy will be the destruction of the Union.

but at least he's got his country back,.....well part of it.

[ivor bigun]

On 1/26/2021 at 10:57 AM, 2530Ubon said:

I agree with G.Brown - even though he was the most disliked British "pm" (unelected) and personally, I think he's a bit of a snake in the grass after what he did to Blair.

 

Problem is, if it had come out of literally any other ex-PM's mouth, it might have been taken more seriously.

Not if it had come out of ... Blairs.

Edited January 27, 2021 by onthedarkside
name calling reference removed

[Stupooey]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Not if it had come out of liar Blairs.

 

Never understood why Brexit supporters have it in for Blair. After all, his "crime" was to hang on to the US' coattails and reject the European line, something which is going to happen much more now that we have left the EU.

[Stupooey]

19 hours ago, billd766 said:

And those who didn't vote don't count. It is not as if the referendum was sprung on them overnight. If they couldn't be bothered to vote then they were not counted in the final toll of Leave or Remain. A wasted vote some 13 million times over.

 

Then of course there was the small matter of the last election in 2019.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

 

quote "The election resulted in the Conservative Party receiving a landslide majority of 80 seats.[n 5] The Conservatives made a net gain of 48 seats and won 43.6% of the popular vote – the highest percentage by any party since 1979.[5] Many Conservative gains were made in long-held Labour Leave-voting seats dubbed the 'red wall'. Many of these seats had not had a Conservative MP in decades, if ever, but registered a strong 'Leave' vote in the 2016 referendum. The Labour Party won 202 seats, its lowest number and proportion of seats since 1935."

 

Your final paragraph explains why the 2019 election produced a freak result: the majority of leave supporting traditional Labour supporters treated it as a single-issue referendum and switched their vote to the Conservatives, whilst most remain supporting Tories saw it as a multi-issue general election and voted Conservative again. Which of course was all rather ironic, as it was the leavers who wanted an election, whilst remainers had pushed for a referendum.

[Red Forever]

On 1/26/2021 at 10:44 AM, Surelynot said:

You've lost me...... presumably you don't mean Brexit, as that was decided before he came to power....so you mean the God awful trade deal that will drive businesses to the wall, financial services to move abroad and usher in the destruction of the Union...what leadership!!!!....I am in awe.

Spot on Surely.

Johnson's fans on here though don't do facts.

They're the same as the Trumpists.

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name calling reference removed

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/26/2021 at 3:20 PM, webfact said:

Unless the United Kingdom is fundamentally reformed it could swiftly become a failed state as many people have lost faith in the way the country is governed by, and in the interests of, a London-centric elite, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown said.

That's pretty rich coming from a former PM that failed to be re elected after one term , and a politician that threw away 6 billion quid by giving it to the NHS to, IMO, waste on fancy buildings and employ more managers.