UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[transam]

10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So you just confirmed what I wrote, that the EU negotiated those deals, then why do you need to get so agitated? There’s nothing wrong with copying the great work of others, so chill. 
 

I would love to hear your analysis. 

Try Google, it can be very helpful ....

[Tofer]

10 hours ago, candide said:

Well, in this case, UK should contact each member state separately in order to get their approval for a grace period. ????

 

We'd probably get a faster, more reasonable and properly thought out response, if that were the case, since I'm sure they would be more inclined towards trouble free trade than the EU's punishment tactics.

[Tofer]

On 2/4/2021 at 5:24 AM, Victornoir said:

And just after signing, request for exception, renegotiation, extension.

 

 

We'll still probably be waiting that 2 years to 2023 for the EU to ratify it, considering the pace they do business....

[Tofer]

15 hours ago, oldhippy said:

How I wish to have a discussion with an intelligent brexiteer........

 

Don't look in the mirror then...

[Tofer]

15 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Deliver the vaccines first, then we could talk.

 

Can't deliver what she didn't order.

[Tofer]

12 hours ago, oldhippy said:

but I don't think that he would be so honest as to admit what his Brexit intentions are.

 

Go on then, oh ye of superior intellect, enlighten us?

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

Go on then, oh ye of superior intellect, enlighten us?

currency speculation and power

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13 hours ago, stevenl said:

 

Exactly.

Exactly, what  ...?  ????

[transam]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

Not really as most Brexiteers are not that bright as they still don't want to admit that their leaders have screwed up. Promises have not been kept and project fear is project realism. 

 

The most intelligent Brexiteers are those that turned remainder. Its never to late to change an opinion.

You still don't realise the UK has left the EU, there are no leavers or remainers that can do anything, so please update your Filofax....

[transam]

13 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Don't flatter yourself.

ALL your post are written like that.

It would be a sign of respect to other posters if you would use proper punctuation.

Note for the milkman? Does the milkman not deserve respect? Soon you might sing

 that Herman's Hermits song......

BEWARE:: Grammar police ...

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't realise the UK has left the EU, there are no leavers or remainers that can do anything, so please update your Filofax....

That is undoubtedly true right now.  In time, however, it seems inevitable that a new generation of politicians will realise the folly of the Brexit years and we will re-join (the Euro too).  To remain isolated will be national suicide.  

[transam]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That is undoubtedly true right now.  In time, however, it seems inevitable that a new generation of politicians will realise the folly of the Brexit years and we will re-join (the Euro too).  To remain isolated will be national suicide.  

I haven't got one of those chap....????

 

[Tofer]

11 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

currency speculation and power

 

Evidenced where?

 

Or was that just a display of your superior telepathic powers and crystal ball gazing?

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

Evidenced where?

 

Or was that just a display of your superior telepathic powers and crystal ball gazing?

I refer you to numerous posts on TVForum.

[Tofer]

Just now, oldhippy said:

I refer you to numerous posts on TVForum.

 

Oh, come on. Surely with your superior intellect, you can do better than that.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

Oh, come on. Surely with your superior intellect, you can do better than that.

You might try reading posts that you don't agree with.

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That is undoubtedly true right now.  In time, however, it seems inevitable that a new generation of politicians will realise the folly of the Brexit years and we will re-join (the Euro too).  To remain isolated will be national suicide.  

Again only your opinion, my opinion is that there won't be an EU to rejoin.

[Andy from Kent]

 

 

The year is only  2099 and all we want is another 5 or 6  year extension.

 

 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Still deluded... How many times do you need reminding, or does it never sink in?

 

Those deals are as much our deals since, lest you forgot, we were part of the EU when they were negotiated. Furthermore, the new deals are not a complete replica / cut and paste.

 

Got it now? Or do we need to keep repeating it for the next 100's of Brexit related posts.... ????

Nice to see you acknowledging that the EU trade deals have been designed taking into account UK's best interest! ????

 

Some deals may not be simply cut and paste (they are often shorter versions) but the content is not significantly different, and sometimes a bit worse (Japan deal). For the time being, freedom of negotiating agreements has not brought additional benefits. "Same same before"!

Edited February 5, 2021 by candide

[Tofer]

43 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

You might try reading posts that you don't agree with.

 

You might try being a bit less vague...

 

Which posts??

[Tofer]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

For the time being, freedom of negotiating agreements has not brought additional benefits. "Same same before"!

 

Really! So you've read them all and analysed them to boot - I'm impressed...

 

With your superior knowledge, I beg you avail us mere mortals of the terms of the 68 trade deals completed.

 

I won't hold my breath... ????

 

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by Tofer

[Tofer]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

Nice to see you acknowledging that the EU trade deals have been designed taking into account UK's best interest! ????

 

No, they were designed taking into account the EU's protectionist interests, big difference....

 

But you do at least acknowledge they were the UK's, and not only the EU's.

Edited February 5, 2021 by Tofer

[sandyf]

On 2/3/2021 at 7:55 PM, 7by7 said:

Yet another example of how well Brexit and Boris' wonderful 'oven ready' deals aren't going!

Yes, I seen an interview on BBC news with a guy representing NI businesses. He said that the businesses in NI desperately need the grace period extending so they can source alternative suppliers from within the EU, not something they want to do in a hurry.

The NI protocol is not going to go away, only the UK suppliers, something that has been fairly obvious from day one.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Really! So you've read them all and analysed them to boot - I'm impressed...

 

With your superior knowledge, I beg you avail us mere mortals of the terms of the 68 trade deals completed.

 

I won't hold my breath... ????

They are not called rollover deals and continuity deals for no reason! ???? Even the UK parliament calls them rollover and continuity deals.

You don't hold your breath and you are wrong! I have linked sources in previous posts, I.e. 

As a result of the above agreements, trade with a significant number of countries will largely continue on similar terms to those in effect prior to the UK’s exit from the European Union, while trade with countries where a trade agreement has not been reached will continue on WTO terms

https://www.burges-salmon.com/brexit/the-future-of-uk-trade-after-the-ukeu-trade-agreement/

So far, the new agreements are “continuity” or else called “roll-over” agreements, meaning that they seek to reproduce the effect of the agreements between the EU and the partner countries. As such, they are based on a “cut and paste” of the corresponding EU agreement with the term “European Union” being replaced by “United Kingdom” and a host of other consequential technical adjustments, such as, to maintain alignment of the timetables for the phasing in of tariff reductions and adjusting the governance arrangements.

https://hsfnotes.com/brexit/2020/12/11/the-uks-roll-over-free-trade-agreements-current-state-of-play/

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7792/CBP-7792.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixhde7p9LuAhWw4YUKHWtSDKwQFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw15aYipu0cDDkli28nkNNkB

 

Will you produce an analysis supporting your point, I.e. using reliable sources? I won't hold my breath! You'll come up with the usual reflections.

[melvinmelvin]

don't really find UK's request that far out,

UK and EU should have a fair measure of common interests in that corner of the foggy islands

 

 

[candide]

24 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

No, they were designed taking into account the EU's protectionist interests, big difference....

With your superior knowledge, I beg you avail us mere mortals of your analysis.

[candide]

54 minutes ago, Tofer said:

But you do at least acknowledge they were the UK's, and not only the EU's.

Actually that's something I spontaneously posted some time ago, and It's fully coherent with my overall position. 

 

These trade deals, as well as other EU achievements and decisions, have been made thanks to the active contribution of UK among other member states, I.e. UK representatives and staff, and with the approval of UK governments.

Edited February 5, 2021 by candide

[Tofer]

44 minutes ago, candide said:

They are not called rollover deals and continuity deals for no reason! ???? Even the UK parliament calls them rollover and continuity deals.

You don't hold your breath and you are wrong! I have linked sources in previous posts, I.e. 

As a result of the above agreements, trade with a significant number of countries will largely continue on similar terms to those in effect prior to the UK’s exit from the European Union, while trade with countries where a trade agreement has not been reached will continue on WTO terms

https://www.burges-salmon.com/brexit/the-future-of-uk-trade-after-the-ukeu-trade-agreement/

So far, the new agreements are “continuity” or else called “roll-over” agreements, meaning that they seek to reproduce the effect of the agreements between the EU and the partner countries. As such, they are based on a “cut and paste” of the corresponding EU agreement with the term “European Union” being replaced by “United Kingdom” and a host of other consequential technical adjustments, such as, to maintain alignment of the timetables for the phasing in of tariff reductions and adjusting the governance arrangements.

https://hsfnotes.com/brexit/2020/12/11/the-uks-roll-over-free-trade-agreements-current-state-of-play/

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7792/CBP-7792.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixhde7p9LuAhWw4YUKHWtSDKwQFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw15aYipu0cDDkli28nkNNkB

 

Will you produce an analysis supporting your point, I.e. using reliable sources? I won't hold my breath! You'll come up with the usual reflections.

 

So you're just parroting the articles which, by the way, emphasise my point, that the trade deals are not identical, as you highlighted - "substantially" and "broadly equivalent", would confirm.

 

 

[tebee]

4 hours ago, transam said:

I hope HP sauce follows suit.........

 

 

It already has moved to the EU 

 

"In May 2006, Heinz announced plans to switch production of HP Sauce from Aston in Birmingham to its European sauces facility in Elst, Netherlands"

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3 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

 

It already has moved to the EU 

 

"In May 2006, Heinz announced plans to switch production of HP Sauce from Aston in Birmingham to its European sauces facility in Elst, Netherlands"

I know, I asked for it to return to the UK, as Cadbury's has....????

PS. At least we know the HP sauce move had nothing to do with Brexit eh....????