WHO says all hypotheses still open in probe into virus origins

[rooster59]

WHO says all hypotheses still open in probe into virus origins

By Reuters Staff

 

FILE PHOTO: Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO) speaks during the opening of the 148th session of the Executive Board on the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak in Geneva, Switzerland, January 18, 2021. Christopher Black/WHO/Handout via REUTERS

 

GENEVA (Reuters) - All hypotheses are still open in the World Health Organization's search for the origins of COVID-19, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a briefing on Friday.

 

A WHO-led mission in China said this week that it was not looking further into the question of whether the virus escaped from a lab, which it considered highly unlikely. The United States has said it will review the mission's findings.

 

"Some questions have been raised as to whether some hypotheses have been discarded. Having spoken with some members of the team, I wish to confirm that all hypotheses remain open and require further analysis and study," Tedros said.

 

"Some of that work may lie outside the remit and scope of this mission. We have always said that this mission would not find all the answers, but it has added important information that takes us closer to understanding the origins of the COVID-19 virus," he said.

 

The mission has said its main hypotheses are that the virus originated in a bat, although there are several possible scenarios for how it passed to humans, possibly first by infecting another species of animal.

 

The former administration of U.S. President Donald Trump, which left office last month, said it believed the virus may have escaped from a lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan. China has strongly denied this, and says the Wuhan Institute of Virology was not studying related viruses.

 

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[Dagfinnur Traustason]

Good that they investigate, so they can get better understanding of the virus origin and travel to finally infect humans.

[PatOngo]

The truth may never emerge but the civilized world has a collective view on the origins!

 

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by PatOngo

[scubascuba3]

Either way the world can't afford another pandemic, so something needs to be done I.e close the wet markets at the very least if that's the likely source

[AndyFoxy]

10 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Either way the world can't afford another pandemic, so something needs to be done I.e close the wet markets at the very least if that's the likely source

Stopping gain of function research would be a good idea too.

[WineOh]

1 hour ago, rooster59 said:

All hypotheses are still open in the World Health Organization's search for the origins of COVID-19, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a briefing on Friday.

It came from China.

 

There you go, case closed. 

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  

 

[bluesofa]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

All hypotheses are still open in the World Health Organization's search for the origins of COVID-19, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a briefing on Friday.

That doesn't surprise me, after all wasn't Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus nominated by various African states, but more influentially also by China.

The phrase 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' springs to my mind.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

That doesn't surprise me, after all wasn't Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus nominated by various African states, but more influentially also by China.

The phrase 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' springs to my mind.

Sure its clear i came from China, but its also clear the Brit strain evolved in the UK. Did you think that the people form the UK did anything to make it happen or wanted it. I doubt it just as I doubt that it was a thing done on purpose by the Chinese. Viruses just emerge at times, you see it in Africa and now that for instance permafrost is retreating we might get new viruses. These things are not on purpose they just happen. Not sure where the blame game gets us besides an opportunity to bash a country we don't like. 

 

 

[Mike Rodik]

world military games a in October 2019

 

but, don't bite the hand that feeds you

[Catoni]

The Chinese Communist Party has pointed the finger at everyone but themselves.

At one time or another they blamed the wet market, the U.S. Army, Italy, and Australia.  Perhaps there are others it blamed.  
    Pointing the finger at everyone or anything except their own Virology Lab in a Wuhan where “...gain of function..” research was taking place on Horseshoe Bat coronaviruses. This research was refused in the U.S. because it was determined to be too dangerous.

   Personally, in my opinion, it accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Virology Lab.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_of_function_research

Edited February 13, 2021 by Catoni
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Actually, the cut in funding came after the covid outbreak. You know, because the last thing we would want is more research on the possible sources of Covid 19 and where the next pandemic may be coming from. Another vindictive move by Trump that clearly would make things worse in the long run.

 

Why The U.S. Government Stopped Funding A Research Project On Bats And Coronaviruses

The U.S. government has suddenly terminated funding for a years-long research project in China that many experts say is vital to preventing the next major coronavirus outbreak.

The project was run by a U.S. nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance. For more than a decade, the group has been sending teams to China to trap bats, collect samples of their blood, saliva and feces, and then check those samples for new coronaviruses that could spark the next global pandemic. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

Edited February 13, 2021 by Scott

[Catoni]

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Yes, money from Fauci’s organization went to the Wuhan lab for “Gain of Function” research on bat coronaviruses, because the U.S. government either shut down Gain of Function research in the U.S., or refused it. 
   The Canadian Government under Trudeau also sent Canadian taxpayer money to the Wuhan lab also, along with virus samples from Canada’s Level 4 lab in Winnipeg, Canada. 
   Smoking gun.......

[placeholder]

24 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Yes, money from Fauci’s organization went to the Wuhan lab for “Gain of Function” research on bat coronaviruses, because the U.S. government either shut down Gain of Function research in the U.S., or refused it. 
   The Canadian Government under Trudeau also sent Canadian taxpayer money to the Wuhan lab also, along with virus samples from Canada’s Level 4 lab in Winnipeg, Canada. 
   Smoking gun.......

Some people have clearly been inhaling way to much of the smoke from that gun. Support by Fauci's organization (whatever that is) of "gain of function"  is a false allegationfirst propagated by the garbage news website known as World Net Daily. It picked up the allegation, unsupported by evidence, from extreme right wing commentator Steve Hilton. Subsequently World Net Daily had to back down somewhat from that claim. There is no evidence at all the gain of function research on a predecessor to the Covid 19 virus was supported by funds obtained through Fauci.

Fact-check: Did Dr. Fauci fund research that created COVID-19?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

Edited February 13, 2021 by placeholder

[candide]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

Sure its clear i came from China, but its also clear the Brit strain evolved in the UK. Did you think that the people form the UK did anything to make it happen or wanted it. I doubt it just as I doubt that it was a thing done on purpose by the Chinese. Viruses just emerge at times, you see it in Africa and now that for instance permafrost is retreating we might get new viruses. These things are not on purpose they just happen. Not sure where the blame game gets us besides an opportunity to bash a country we don't like. 

 

 

And it includes Thailand. I recently watched a TV program showing some places in Northern Thailand being monitored in order to detect possible emergence of new viruses.

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On W.H.O. Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data

Chinese scientists refused to share raw data that might bring the world closer to understanding the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, independent investigators for the W.H.O. said on Friday.

The investigators, who recently returned from a fact-finding trip to the Chinese city of Wuhan, said disagreements over patient records and other issues were so tense that they sometimes erupted into shouts among the typically mild-mannered scientists on both sides.

China’s continued resistance to revealing information about the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, the scientists say, makes it difficult for them to uncover important clues that could help stop future outbreaks of such dangerous diseases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[candide]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Some people have clearly been inhaling way to much of the smoke from that gun. Support by Fauci's organization (whatever that is) if "gain of function"  is a false allegation first propagated allegation is a falsehood first propagated by the garbage news website known as World Net Daily. It picked up the allegation, unsupported by evidence, from extreme right wing commentator Steve Hilton. Subsequently World Net Daily had to back down somewhat from that claim. There is no evidence at all the gain of function research on a predecessor to the Covid 19 virus was supported by funds obtained through Fauci.

Fact-check: Did Dr. Fauci fund research that created COVID-19?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

Interesting article explaining why they funded such research:

 

"From these they have already identified about 400 wholly new coronaviruses. About 50 of those fall into a category that caused the 2002 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, and, now, the COVID-19 pandemic."

.....

"Our work has shown that between 1 [million] and 7 million people a year are exposed in rural China and rural Southeast Asia to these viruses,"

[Catoni]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Some people have clearly been inhaling way to much of the smoke from that gun. Support by Fauci's organization (whatever that is) of "gain of function"  is a false allegationfirst propagated by the garbage news website known as World Net Daily. It picked up the allegation, unsupported by evidence, from extreme right wing commentator Steve Hilton. Subsequently World Net Daily had to back down somewhat from that claim. There is no evidence at all the gain of function research on a predecessor to the Covid 19 virus was supported by funds obtained through Fauci.

Fact-check: Did Dr. Fauci fund research that created COVID-19?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

    “Support by Fauci’s organization (whatever that is)...”

 

“...that is..” The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, (NIAID) of which Fauci has been the Director since 1984. 
  NIAID funds research by scientists in the United States and throughout the world.
     Just to let you know.... 

  So who’s fact checking your fact checkers?

 

“For several years, NIAID has had a robust intramural and extramural relationship with China focused on biomedical research and training. Many of the research grants with China involve HIV/AIDS, other sexually transmitted diseases, SARS, parasitic diseases (e.g., malaria and schistosomiasis), dengue fever, and influenza. In 2006, about 135 visiting scientists from China were working as collaborators and trainees in NIAID intramural laboratories.”

- NIAID.   https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/niaid-research-china
 

Covid-19 is a SARS disease in the SARS coronavirus family. 
  (SARS CoVID-19).  
We’ve seen SARS Corona viruses before. They’re not new. You might remember SARS CoVID-1.
Corona viruses have been around for ages, but SARS CoVID-19 is new. 
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/new-coronavirus-emerges-bats-china-devastates-young-swine

 

https://youtu.be/_txYMXL9NJ0

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by Catoni
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[RocketDog]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Some questions have been raised as to whether some hypotheses have been discarded. Having spoken with some members of the team, I wish to confirm that all hypotheses remain open and require further analysis and study," Tedros said.

In other blunter words he means he knows the WHO mission did not have access to ALL of the relevant information and never will. 

 

This ship has sailed. Every minute that goes by means more information (and maybe some bodies?) is being buried deeper by the CCP, world class manipulators of information. Move on, nothing here to see now. 

 

This is hardly the first virus originating in China and certainly won't be the last. 

[placeholder]

46 minutes ago, Catoni said:

    “Support by Fauci’s organization (whatever that is)...”

 

“...that is..” The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, (NIAID) of which Fauci has been the Director since 1984. 
  NIAID funds research by scientists in the United States and throughout the world.
     Just to let you know.... 

  So who’s fact checking your fact checkers?

 

“For several years, NIAID has had a robust intramural and extramural relationship with China focused on biomedical research and training. Many of the research grants with China involve HIV/AIDS, other sexually transmitted diseases, SARS, parasitic diseases (e.g., malaria and schistosomiasis), dengue fever, and influenza. In 2006, about 135 visiting scientists from China were working as collaborators and trainees in NIAID intramural laboratories.”

- NIAID.   https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/niaid-research-china
 

Covid-19 is a SARS disease in the SARS coronavirus family. 
  (SARS CoVID-19).  
We’ve seen SARS Corona viruses before. They’re not new. You might remember SARS CoVID-1.
Corona viruses have been around for ages, but SARS CoVID-19 is new. 
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/new-coronavirus-emerges-bats-china-devastates-young-swine

 

https://youtu.be/_txYMXL9NJ0

 

But there is no proof that any of this funding went to create the covid-19 virus.

[Isaan sailor]

The fact that both the CCP and WHO insisted on naming the virus COVID-19, instead of using a geographic locator, tells me they wanted to cover up the true source of the virus at all cost.

[bluesofa]

8 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

The fact that both the CCP and WHO insisted on naming the virus COVID-19, instead of using a geographic locator, tells me they wanted to cover up the true source of the virus at all cost.

I see the 1918-20s flu is called Spanish Flu, despite that was just the country that was allowed to report on the outbreak, not that it originated there.

The Spanish couldn't have have enough political clout/threat of reprisals, to get it renamed.

 

[placnx]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Some people have clearly been inhaling way to much of the smoke from that gun. Support by Fauci's organization (whatever that is) of "gain of function"  is a false allegationfirst propagated by the garbage news website known as World Net Daily. It picked up the allegation, unsupported by evidence, from extreme right wing commentator Steve Hilton. Subsequently World Net Daily had to back down somewhat from that claim. There is no evidence at all the gain of function research on a predecessor to the Covid 19 virus was supported by funds obtained through Fauci.

Fact-check: Did Dr. Fauci fund research that created COVID-19?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

You are spreading disinformation. The NIH grant was to EcoHealth Alliance in NY, run by Daszak. He then transferred part to the Wuhan lab for the Gain of Function research around 5 years ago, though your link just mentions more recent activity - that they collected 400 distinct previously unknown coronaviruses.

 

While it's claimed that this virus collection program would help prevent the next pandemic, funds might be better spent on sentinel labs to discover outbreaks sooner, with international staff to avoid coverups!

[Justgrazing]

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

 

A WHO-led mission in China said this week that it

 

would not get fooled again ?

Even though they can't explain .. 

 

[law ling]

By all means investigate the virus' origins - although with China's apparent obfuscation, and WHO no doubt seeking to protect itself from even more criticism, I doubt we'll ever truely know.

The investigation ought to also look into what mistakes were made early on by Chinese officials - and WHO - that eventually unleashed the virus around the world.

However, it seems the suspected chief causes of the problem: the CCP and WHO, are presently just investigating themselves, and being the judge and jury of themselves - in which case we can expect a very sanitized report?

[goldenbrwn1]

12 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Either way the world can't afford another pandemic, so something needs to be done I.e close the wet markets at the very least if that's the likely source

Close them even if they are not the origins . Cruelty has no meaning in those places.

[placeholder]

35 minutes ago, placnx said:

You are spreading disinformation. The NIH grant was to EcoHealth Alliance in NY, run by Daszak. He then transferred part to the Wuhan lab for the Gain of Function research around 5 years ago, though your link just mentions more recent activity - that they collected 400 distinct previously unknown coronaviruses.

 

While it's claimed that this virus collection program would help prevent the next pandemic, funds might be better spent on sentinel labs to discover outbreaks sooner, with international staff to avoid coverups!

And I'm supposed to take your word for that? I googled it and came up with nothing.

What's more, even if the funds were dedicated to gain of function research, would that be a bad thing?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/

 

[Isaan sailor]

“Won’t be fooled again”—The Who

Will be fooled again—The WHO.

[Kelsall]

31 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

“Won’t be fooled again”—The Who

Will be fooled again—The WHO.

Good one!

[VBF]

11 hours ago, bluesofa said:

That doesn't surprise me, after all wasn't Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus nominated by various African states, but more influentially also by China.

The phrase 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' springs to my mind.

Exactly - i don't entirely trust the impartiality of the WHO, especially under his leadership....too many conflicting agendas.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-12/dr-tedros-the-who-chief-leading-the-fight-against-the-pandemic

 

although the fact that Trump criticised him does work in his favour ????

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-51720184