SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

[owl sees all]

3 hours ago, Victornoir said:

In France, Marine Le Pen's “National Rally” party has given up on leaving the EU and even the euro. Brexit has ridiculed this claim of leaving a united and strong group for very dangerous isolation.

But our country remains independent and participates actively in the 27 movement. For us, Scotland has always been an ally and friendly nation and we wish to keep these links for a common future.

France should leave and join up with the UK (with or without Scotland). 

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

He was born in US.

Off topic i know but think he moved to oz at about 13.

 

Nicole kidman, hong kong i think. Sam neill, russell crowe, kiwis.

 

Bee gees, british.

 

But us ozzies do have a penchant for claiming anything that is not ours.

 

Including AC/DC but us Scots dont mind.

We kinda like you guys anyway.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Newcastle is an area of the UK the same as Scotland?

Does Newcastle have its own laws, government and a long history of independence?

Is England a region of the UK or is it a country?

Think carefully Vogie. That question is a bear trap.

I wouldn't overstate Holyroods importance, Westminster is your parliament also, Holyrood is just a glorified council yard, and a very bad one at that.????????????

[7by7]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

New circumstances.????????????????????????

I think that the First Minister lying, with-holding evidence and repeating over a hundred times that she didn't know anything in an inquiry could be best described as "new circumstances" don't you? That believe you me is a game changer, she and a lot of disciples are on a hiding to nothing, only one in three Scots now believe that NS has been entirely honest.

 

In which case you have nothing to fear from another referendum!

[7by7]

2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

There have been people opposed to the union since it was formed in 1707.

It wasn't an overwhelmingly popular idea, or as some see it imposition.

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

Even for a Brexiteer this is lame. Come on, you can do better than this. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

I’m missing the option “It should be up to the Scots to decide”. 

[sirineou]

The Scots should take the advice of the English who voted against being governed by faceless bureaucrats elsewhere. or did thye mean European faceless bureaucrats are bad, but English faceless bureaucrats are good,  Jolly good  .

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The Scottish people did not get the facts. Remember the new oil field discovery that was kept secret by the BBC?

The only people that don't want it are the ones scared of their own pensions, selfish ****s

Off the top of my head I seem to remember Alec Salmond telling the Scots about how much money they would be worth after independence just before the 2014 referendum, and to quote our friend from QT "you told us that a barrel of oil would be worth millions, now we can buy a barrel for £10 down the Barras. I just love the Scots humour.????????????

[7by7]

2 hours ago, Jimbo53 said:

The latest poll is showing 52% against Independence,and that will go higher once the Parliamentary Committee's findings are published in relation to the Scottish Government cover ups in  the Salmond case.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 In which case those opposed to Scottish independence have nothing to fear from another referendum!

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

In which case you have nothing to fear from another referendum!

Remove "referendum" and insert "peoples vote" and we have your modus operandi.

[elliss]

4 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Yes please...

 

    Asap. 

     Uk Taxpayers , can not afford them anymore .

      Hopefully , the Taffs will follow soon ..

[KarenBravo]

Just now, elliss said:

 

    Asap. 

     Uk Taxpayers , can not afford them anymore .

      Hopefully , the Taffs will follow soon ..

 

Northern Irish before the Welsh would be better.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

    Asap. 

     Uk Taxpayers , can not afford them anymore .

      Hopefully , the Taffs will follow soon ..

Ellis, don't undo all my good work.

[youreavinalaff]

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

What is up to Westminster in your opinion, whether they want to leave or under what terms they're allowed to leave?

If you read my post and take in the information that I posted, you would not need to ask that question as the answer is in my post.

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't overstate Holyroods importance, Westminster is your parliament also, Holyrood is just a glorified council yard, and a very bad one at that.????????????

It is exactly that attitude that makes a big part of the Scots want to leave.

[Neeranam]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Including AC/DC but us Scots dont mind.

We kinda like you guys anyway.

The singer was Scottish.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

If you read my post and take in the information that I posted, you would not need to ask that question as the answer is in my post.

Yes, I read and understand the arrogance. But clear, no. Your post can be read as 'westminster decides the conditions under which to leave' and as 'westminster decides the conditions under which a vote to leave takes place'.

No wonder a big part of the Scots want to leave.

Edited March 7, 2021 by stevenl

[7by7]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I am a unionist, but am also a democrat. So I believe in an option that is missing from above; that it is up to the Scottish people to decide at a time of their choosing, not Westminster's.

Incorrect. Sure, it is up to Scotland to decide if they want independence. However, under what terms is a decision for the whole of the UK. I believe the parliament of UK is in Westminster. Therefore it has a lot to do with Wesminster.

You misunderstand me.

 

What I meant was that, as in 2014, the the Scottish Parliament should have control of any referendum, including whether to have one at all.

 

Under the terms of Edinburgh Agreement (2012) the UK government in Westminster ceded control of the referendum to the Scottish Parliament. Hence the Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013. No reason why that cannot be done again.

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, I read and understood, but could not believe the arrogance. So presumed you meant something else. But no, apparently the arrogance is how you meant it.

No wonder a big part of the Scots want to leave.

It's arrogance to suggest that the whole of the UK should make some kind of arrangement about independence of one part of the union? Are you sure? 

 

So, Scotland are just going to walk away with nothing? They are not going to ask for anything? They don;t want the oil? The monarchy? The BBC? The £? 

 

Sorry. I thought those things were on the table last time. I must be wrong.

 

OK. No agreement needed. Scotland can just walk away with nothing. Is that arrogance?

[scubascuba3]

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Then if we are such a burden give us a referendum.

Oh no wait. For some reason all you Brexiteers love the idea of sovereignty and taking back control but only when it suits your own purposes.

BTW. Have a look at the real figures. England is going broke and without Scotlands resources it will be even worse.

 

you're like the remainers, keep wanting another vote until it goes your way. I don't think Scotlands resources are worth much anymore, maybe all the water in 200 years when the world is a lot dryer

[7by7]

1 hour ago, lungbing said:

And if the majority once again vote "No", how long before you're back on here whining again.  In another 5 years generation?

 

The reason why so many Scots want another referendum now has been explained several times in this thread, and others. The extreme change in the status of the UK in 2016. 

 

In 2014 Scotland voted to remain in a UK which was a member of the EU.

 

Because of Brexit, the UK Scotland voted to remain a part of no longer exists.

 

If Scotland votes to remain part of post Brexit UK then there would be no argument for holding another referendum any time soon.

[youreavinalaff]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, I read and understand the arrogance. But clear, no. Your post can be read as 'westminster decides the conditions under which to leave' and as 'westminster decides the conditions under which a vote to leave takes place'.

No wonder a big part of the Scots want to leave.

Seeing as you edited your post I will give you another answer.

 

What you fail to understand is my use of the words "whole of the UK" and "Westminster".

 

It is my understanding that Scotland is part of the UK and therefore would be involved in the discussions. It is also my understanding that MSPs are in Westminster and, hence, would be involved in the negotiations regarding independence.

 

Not sure how someone can be accused of being arrogant when they were suggesting all parties should be involved in planning. Arrogance on who's part?

[youreavinalaff]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The reason why so many Scots want another referendum now has been explained several times in this thread, and others. The extreme change in the status of the UK in 2016. 

 

In 2014 Scotland voted to remain in a UK which was a member of the EU.

 

Because of Brexit, the UK Scotland voted to remain a part of no longer exists.

 

If Scotland votes to remain part of post Brexit UK then there would be no argument for holding another referendum any time soon.

The Scottish seem to believe they will breeze into EU membership, should they ever become independent from UK. Why then, did they not have a "Leave UK and join EU as an independent state" vote in 2014? 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

32 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't overstate Holyroods importance, Westminster is your parliament also, Holyrood is just a glorified council yard, and a very bad one at that.????????????

And Newcastle is a country?

Scotland is not a country?

Is England not a country?

 

Answer the rest of my post.

[7by7]

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

Remove "referendum" and insert "peoples vote" and we have your modus operandi.

 

Aren't they the same thing?

 

We all know why the prospect of a people's vote on the terms of Brexit terrified you.

 

As you refuse to say why you are opposed to a post Brexit Scottish independence referendum, I can only assume it's for the same reason.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

And Newcastle is a country?

Scotland is not a country?

Is England not a country?

 

Answer the rest of my post.

Scotland is part of our island nation, strictly speaking we only become separate countries when playing rugby or football and the likes but quickly revert back to our UK status just shortly after full time.

 

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

you're like the remainers, keep wanting another vote until it goes your way. I don't think Scotlands resources are worth much anymore, maybe all the water in 200 years when the world is a lot dryer

 

So you will have no issues with Scotland leaving.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Scotland is part of our island nation, strictly speaking we only become separate countries when playing rugby or football and the likes but quickly revert back to our UK status just shortly after full time.

 

 

Again deflection. Is England a country?

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's arrogance to suggest that the whole of the UK should make some kind of arrangement about independence of one part of the union? Are you sure? 

 

So, Scotland are just going to walk away with nothing? They are not going to ask for anything? They don;t want the oil? The monarchy? The BBC? The £? 

 

Sorry. I thought those things were on the table last time. I must be wrong.

 

OK. No agreement needed. Scotland can just walk away with nothing. Is that arrogance?

And you accuse me of a lack of reading comprehension.