8 hours ago, smedly said:

these vaccines have been developed using very new science 

 

there are some experts that are claiming that rolling out such vaccines during the pandemic is a massive error, I don't know and the scary thing is that they don't know either - they think they do 

 

Sinovac uses old technology (inactivated virus) so you should be safe taking that one!

The latest UK government data on adverse reactions from 09 December 2020 (AZ 04 January 2021) to 07 March 2021 from the Astra Zeneca  and Pfizer vaccine can be found here:

 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine adverse reactions

 

Please note these are stated as ‘reactions to’ not ‘events following’

 

Adverse Reports Astra Zeneca

Adverse Reports Pfizer

 

AZ fatal               289

Pfizer fatal         237

Total                    526

Number of people jabbed to 07 March about 24 million so about 1 death per 46,000

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833

 

Total to 11 Feb was 323 out of around 14 million or 1 death in 43,000  so in the last month 203 fatal per 10 million jabs or 1 death per 49,000.  Fatal outcomes are much the same despite younger and presumably healthier people being jabbed.  This is worrying but 1 in 49,000 chance of dying is very low and we don’t know whether they did have existing health conditions.

 

The chance of dying from COVID  if you catch it is said to be 0.3% or 1 in 333, clearly a very much higher risk.

 

But what are the chances of catching COVID?  For this the best model was the case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship last February.  There was no social distancing, no masks, no hand sanitiser etc. so transmission control was almost non-existent in an enclosed environment and yet only 19% of people, went down with the virus – 712 out of 3,711 with only around half of those displaying symptoms.  Only 14 died.  Yes, very sad for them and their families but that is 0.4% which is pretty similar to the 99.7% survival rate quoted so often. And cruise ship passengers are hardly spring chickens.  Only 14% of the crew caught it and none died. 

 

So if we factor in the 19% chance of catching COVID then the risk of dying from COVID becomes 1 in 1,750 which is still a much higher risk than dying from the vaccine by a factor of about 28.

 

For myself I would rather rely on my immune system bolstered by vitamin C and D than any rushed vaccine as I believe I have less chance of a bad reaction to COVID than a vaccine over the short term.  Long term, who knows, the experts seem to not know or disagree.  Each individual needs to make their own decision.

3 minutes ago, Mises said:

The latest UK government data on adverse reactions from 09 December 2020 (AZ 04 January 2021) to 07 March 2021 from the Astra Zeneca  and Pfizer vaccine can be found here:

 

 

 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine adverse reactions

 

 

 

Please note these are stated as ‘reactions to’ not ‘events following’

 

 

 

Adverse Reports Astra Zeneca

 

Adverse Reports Pfizer

 

 

 

AZ fatal               289

 

Pfizer fatal         237

 

Total                    526

 

Number of people jabbed to 07 March about 24 million so about 1 death per 46,000

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833

 

 

 

Total to 11 Feb was 323 out of around 14 million or 1 death in 43,000  so in the last month 203 fatal per 10 million jabs or 1 death per 49,000.  Fatal outcomes are much the same despite younger and presumably healthier people being jabbed.  This is worrying but 1 in 49,000 chance of dying is very low and we don’t know whether they did have existing health conditions.

 

 

 

The chance of dying from COVID  if you catch it is said to be 0.3% or 1 in 333, clearly a very much higher risk.

 

 

 

But what are the chances of catching COVID?  For this the best model was the case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship last February.  There was no social distancing, no masks, no hand sanitiser etc. so transmission control was almost non-existent in an enclosed environment and yet only 19% of people, went down with the virus – 712 out of 3,711 with only around half of those displaying symptoms.  Only 14 died.  Yes, very sad for them and their families but that is 0.4% which is pretty similar to the 99.7% survival rate quoted so often. And cruise ship passengers are hardly spring chickens.  Only 14% of the crew caught it and none died. 

 

 

 

So if we factor in the 19% chance of catching COVID then the risk of dying from COVID becomes 1 in 1,750 which is still a much higher risk than dying from the vaccine by a factor of about 28.

 

 

 

For myself I would rather rely on my immune system bolstered by vitamin C and D than any rushed vaccine as I believe I have less chance of a bad reaction to COVID than a vaccine over the short term.  Long term, who knows, the experts seem to not know or disagree.  Each individual needs to make their own decision.

 

 

The issue is that 0.3% chance of dying is across ALL age and health groups. If you are older and/or have health conditions, your risk of death is significantly higher.

 

You might wonder if you are at not at risk why should you take it? You risk spreading it to those that are not inoculated yet and/or those that refuse to take it and prolonging the pandemic.

With the chinese vaccine. no thanks

1 hour ago, IamNoone88 said:

I will wait for the Gold Standard Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, thank you from a private hospital. 

 

Yes, me, too.

Not interested in the AZ, Russian, or Chinese vaccines.

3 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

They are doing under 60’s first. Says so in the article. That’s the “sorry but”. Nothing at all to do with macron or anyone else elsewhere in the world.

that was my point - why ?

29 minutes ago, hioctane said:

 

Sinovac uses old technology (inactivated virus) so you should be safe taking that one!

I'll pass thanks

1 hour ago, johnarth said:

man I am feeling sheepish about this, what is going to happen in a few months time?

Then I'd keep away from the Welsh (and the antipodeans) :)

1 hour ago, foreverlomsak said:

Where did you dig up this "fact", only thing I've ever seen is annual boosters (like flu jabs) being muted as a possibility?

More fake news from pacman an unqualified keyboard warrior!  The adverse rumour about Astra was spread by Macron, (followed by Merkle) who has made such an outstanding nonesense of innoculations that he had to find someone else to blame.  He is without doubt a first class idiot and I am convinced that the French People will not vote this Mummy's Boy back in power.  Sadly he does not realise that most of the World can see right through his rediculous ploy.

15 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

They are offering what seem to be the 2 most controversial vaccines Astrazeneca and Sinovac.

Good luck to those expats in Phuket.

Astra Zeneca is controversial as there has been signs of blood clotting . What is controversial about Sinovac ?

33 minutes ago, hioctane said:

 

The issue is that 0.3% chance of dying is across ALL age and health groups. If you are older and/or have health conditions, your risk of death is significantly higher.

 

You might wonder if you are at not at risk why should you take it? You risk spreading it to those that are not inoculated yet and/or those that refuse to take it and prolonging the pandemic.

I agree your first point hence I stated each individual should make thier own decision.

 

As I understand it none of the vaccines claim to stop you catching COVID, they claim to reduce the symptoms especially severe cases so your second point is not correct.

14 hours ago, Rhacsyn said:

As an ageing UK educated expat here and restricted from travelling to Dubai (where I have residency visa and access to vacvine) or even UK, I have to say it is good news for me. I will do my utmost to get vaccinated.

 

Most people who get vaccines or medication during their lifetimes never ask where it comes from or for sure never realistically check the paperwork always included which discusses, amongst other things, potential side effects etc. Every medication has a potential for side effects but the numbers are tiny so why suddenly look so closely and be scared by the same tiny numbers involved in Covid 19 vaccines, a vaccine, which like other vaccines, has been proven to work.

are you joking or is it serious ?

You don't know the difference between a vaccine and a genetic technology ? What are you talking about ? The reality is not so simple as you seems to be able to thinking about it.

I'm 71.

Astra Zeneca for me please if I am given a choice.

9 hours ago, smedly said:

these vaccines have been developed using very new science 

 

there are some experts that are claiming that rolling out such vaccines during the pandemic is a massive error, I don't know and the scary thing is that they don't know either - they think they do 

Mme Henrion Caude, who know better than you or me, or any other there, explain that this pretty new technology (that she is an eminent world wide recognized to be a specialist of the genetic things concerned)  was done so quick that they remove 6 proceed step tests necessary to pretend to be safe. Not one, not two... SIX !

So, if you pretend (to much i think) to have some little knowledge around this concerned things, please, show us instead of spread fakes.

Do not panic, people who panic easy are the one who make the boat sick to over charge the problem instead of provide any solutions. We can have opinions, but we can not pretend seriously that this opinion is upper than facts.

These 6 proceed step missing are not an opinion though... this is fact.

Hope you can split what is a fact and what is an opinion for you can see better and stop to denigrate people around.

After said that, to think that it is a good idea to spread widely a new technology that has be poor tested, it is an opinion (that i can respect as you do what you want with YOUR life), but please, do not deny facts and spread fakes.

If I really have to be vaccinated then I just want the Sputnik or nothing at all

15 hours ago, zzzzz said:

and if ur over 60???
sorry but.......

Vitamin D.

lots of it.

you will be fine

59 minutes ago, hioctane said:

 

The issue is that 0.3% chance of dying is across ALL age and health groups. If you are older and/or have health conditions, your risk of death is significantly higher.

 

You might wonder if you are at not at risk why should you take it? You risk spreading it to those that are not inoculated yet and/or those that refuse to take it and prolonging the pandemic.

that's absolutely correct that after 70 years old and for those with excessive Cholesterol (or Diabetic) or very fragile ones, the risk increase considerably (i see it can goes up to 25% or mortality rate of the sick ones, not the infected ones... not the same).

 

For your second part, it is definitely wrong, and, as said, a mystification and a misunderstand of the problem for many reasons.

First, the virus mutated a lot (as other do usually) and no one can predict if the "vaccine" (even for the non-vaccine but genetic products) will be efficient for wide spectral mutated ones.

Second, you can be vaccinated and spread the virus. The idea that a vaccinated one doesn't spread the concerned virus is half wrong. It is half true if (in the same time) everybody vaccinated and vaccines are efficient and virus only have a life in humans body. So actually, no one know exactly any of these 3 conditions. So how can you pretend something no one can provide any demonstration ? i will never be persuaded, i prefer to be convinced, and without proof and with low indication, i can not reasonably be convinced by any vaccine or genetic products quickly made.

But... they have many products on the market now... feel free to to test them, but not enforce the other to follow you, please.

 

4 hours ago, pacman32 said:

With such a small amount of deaths to Covid in Thailand why would you risk it? 

I know of 1 person for sure that has died from a blood clot after having the astra zeneca jab. But it's not being reported, he was only 32 years old too ????

 

Think carefully before you sign up to life long 4 times a year unsafe injections.. 

'With such a small amount of deaths to Covid in Thailand why would you risk it? '

Thailand has been isolating, hence small number of deaths. But it will open up, exposing the people here to others. So in order to prevent the number of deaths to rise significantly the population, including expats, has to be vaccinated. That's why.

'I know of 1 person for sure that has died from a blood clot after having the astra zeneca jab. But it's not being reported, he was only 32 years old too'

Scaremongering, deaths due to blood cloths are being reported, even more so if it can be assigned to the jabs..

"Think carefully before you sign up to life long 4 times a year unsafe injections.. "

Totally and utterly nonsense.

23 minutes ago, pjuk said:

I'm 71.

Astra Zeneca for me please if I am given a choice.

to choose ?

no money, no honey...

Paracetamol, morning, and evening.

We will cal you if we need to test something new and cheap.

NEXT !

1 hour ago, Mises said:

The latest UK government data on adverse reactions from 09 December 2020 (AZ 04 January 2021) to 07 March 2021 from the Astra Zeneca  and Pfizer vaccine can be found here:

 

 

 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine adverse reactions

 

 

 

Please note these are stated as ‘reactions to’ not ‘events following’

 

 

 

Adverse Reports Astra Zeneca

 

Adverse Reports Pfizer

 

 

 

AZ fatal               289

 

Pfizer fatal         237

 

Total                    526

 

Number of people jabbed to 07 March about 24 million so about 1 death per 46,000

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833

 

 

 

Total to 11 Feb was 323 out of around 14 million or 1 death in 43,000  so in the last month 203 fatal per 10 million jabs or 1 death per 49,000.  Fatal outcomes are much the same despite younger and presumably healthier people being jabbed.  This is worrying but 1 in 49,000 chance of dying is very low and we don’t know whether they did have existing health conditions.

 

 

 

The chance of dying from COVID  if you catch it is said to be 0.3% or 1 in 333, clearly a very much higher risk.

 

 

 

But what are the chances of catching COVID?  For this the best model was the case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship last February.  There was no social distancing, no masks, no hand sanitiser etc. so transmission control was almost non-existent in an enclosed environment and yet only 19% of people, went down with the virus – 712 out of 3,711 with only around half of those displaying symptoms.  Only 14 died.  Yes, very sad for them and their families but that is 0.4% which is pretty similar to the 99.7% survival rate quoted so often. And cruise ship passengers are hardly spring chickens.  Only 14% of the crew caught it and none died. 

 

 

 

So if we factor in the 19% chance of catching COVID then the risk of dying from COVID becomes 1 in 1,750 which is still a much higher risk than dying from the vaccine by a factor of about 28.

 

 

 

For myself I would rather rely on my immune system bolstered by vitamin C and D than any rushed vaccine as I believe I have less chance of a bad reaction to COVID than a vaccine over the short term.  Long term, who knows, the experts seem to not know or disagree.  Each individual needs to make their own decision.

 

i would like to order a test for show how many don't need any vaccine and are immune alone.

There is many, but they don't speak about that...

Sorry, I am holding out for Sputnik. 

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Garbage.

You claim that your "friend" died of an AZ caused blood clot. Ok.  Did the autopsy actually state this?

You make claim, but you cannot back it up with fact can you. Maybe you just want to sabotage vaccine roll out, yes?

 

Maybe there is a clotting issue associated with the Italian sourced doses.  It is strange that in the UK where so many millions have been dosed it is not an issue. Other countries which have administered large numbers of doses have not reported any deaths.  Canada has  given out 500,000 AZ type vaccine doses from India with several hundred thousand within the 20 day risk period and has monitored closely, but no deaths.

 

Where do you get 4 times a year for unsafe injections? None of the approved vaccines requires 4 doses.

 

 

Thank you I will be getting my vaccine. Hey i want my life to go back to normal and take off those  bloody face masks and i want to travel

1 minute ago, Happyman567 said:

Thank you I will be getting my vaccine. Hey i want my life to go back to normal and take off those  bloody face masks and i want to travel

Do you said that you feel in a kind of blackmail position ? And that you will submit, even if you have zero risk due to full immune condition ?

wow...

3 hours ago, nchuckle said:

Who exactly are those 'experts' saying vaccination is an error? Every single statistic both from the trials and where it’s been rolled are favorable (even the blood clotting). You do understand comparative risk - where the risks of being vaccinated are far less than the risks of the real alternative of catching Covid ?

What is the risk of contracting and dying from Covid for those 60 and under?

5 hours ago, pacman32 said:

With such a small amount of deaths to Covid in Thailand why would you risk it? 

 

Think carefully before you sign up to life long 4 times a year unsafe injections.. 

It has the potential to flare up at any given time. Granted, Thailand is not a hot spot for the virus abut you only need to look at other countries where it has escalated at an unprecedented small period of time

If we all listened to you penicillin would still be undiscovered and millions would be dying every year

7 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

What is the risk of contracting and dying from Covid for those 60 and under?

The risk of contracting is high, as is the risk of spreading it to others, including risk categories.

What a load of BS. All these wonderful armchair  Drs posting their findings here on TV. Nothing unusual on here. They must be the EU advisors for AZ & other rumour mongers about how safe one vaccine is V another. All I know is the reinfection rate in the UK and more importantly the death rate is now down to below levels seen as far back as October. I’ve luckily had my dose and looking forward to the second one. I for one was not going to wait to see how effective they were against COVID. The facts speak for themselves on all the vaccines. More people die of COVID than those who die who have had a vaccine and even the ones who have died no one can prove it wasn’t a precondition that caused it an not the vaccine. 

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The risk of contracting is high, as is the risk of spreading it to others, including risk categories.

“High” is the temperature I cook  bacon at and how I feel on returning from a night on the town.  It just lacks a certain mathematical/scientific precision.  It also does not seem an adequate definition of the risk of dying from Covid.

10 hours ago, smedly said:

these vaccines have been developed using very new science 

 

there are some experts that are claiming that rolling out such vaccines during the pandemic is a massive error, I don't know and the scary thing is that they don't know either - they think they do 

 

 

I am reminded of a statement heard many moons ago, at a time when short hair, shiny boots and green pullovers were "der rigeur".

 

"Ex is something which has been, a spurt is what happens when you put a drip under pressure"

26 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

i would like to order a test for show how many don't need any vaccine and are immune alone.

There is many, but they don't speak about that...

Yeah, but we are talking about the immediate reactions but what should worry us are the medium and long term ones of which nobody knows anything about

Let's not forget that it acts in the cell's DNA and once our DNA has been altered there is no way to fix it, then you keep it for the rest of your life,

But not only this: the altered DNA will be hand over to the future generations It won't be never deleted