Samui vaccinations started.

[phetphet]

Big queues at the university at the top of the lake road yesterday, and lots of people waiting outside food court inCentral Festival. I was told they are waiting to be vaccinated. Mainly hotel and health workers.

Foreigner with pink Thai ID cards also eligible. 

 

Was told Thais get Sinovac, foreigners Astras Zeneca.

[Tropicalevo]

A neighbour told me that foreigners should be able to be vaccinated in early May at some private hospitals.

You need to be on the wish list.

[khunPer]

11 hours ago, phetphet said:

Was told Thais get Sinovac, foreigners Astras Zeneca.

It might be worth thinking about that based on the European experiences with AstaZeneca vaccine, this risk of dying is four times grater from vaccination than from catching Covid-19 when living in Thailand...????

 

Facts:

30 death in Europe from 5.5 million vaccinated by AstaZeneca; i.e. 5,45 death per million. 

Thailand Covid-19 death by April 3rd is 95 from a population of nearly 70 million, i.e. 1.36 death per million.

 

Perhaps the Chinese vaccine is not that bad after all...????

[GroveHillWanderer]

25 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Facts:

30 death in Europe from 5.5 million vaccinated by AstaZeneca; i.e. 5,45 death per million. 

Facts: none of those deaths have been causally linked to the vaccine and the death rate among those who've had the vaccine is actually lower than among those who did not.

[GroveHillWanderer]

Another fact: in the UK there have been only 7 such deaths among 18 million vaccinated people.  Once again with no evidence that the deaths were caused by the vaccine.

 

Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Facts:

30 death in Europe from 5.5 million vaccinated by AstaZeneca; i.e. 5,45 death per million. 

Thailand Covid-19 death by April 3rd is 95 from a population of nearly 70 million, i.e. 1.36 death per million.

 

The UK has a similar population to Thailand.

The numbers there are different.

I do not trust the EU to publish the truth - they are still 'going for the jugular' with the UK because of Brexit and have consistently 'slammed the AZ vaccine.

 

"The clots followed the administration of 18.1 million doses of the vaccine, a rate of about one case for every 600,000 injections."

 

"There is no proof that the AstraZeneca jab caused the clots, of which there has been one case in every 600,000 doses"

 

Full articles in The Times and The Guardian. (right wing and left wing papers.) You need an account to read the times, here is the one in the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/03/uptake-of-covid-jab-remains-high-in-uk-despite-blood-clot-fears

 

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” (Mark Twain/Benjamin Disraeli)

 

Any of us could be right or wrong.

 

[khunPer]

The fact about numbers of death are official from EMA, i.e. European Medicines Agency, which said:

 

As communicated on 18 March, EMA is of the view that the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine in preventing COVID-19, with its associated risk of hospitalisation and death, outweigh the risks of side effects.

 

–which makes sense when there are registered 400 or more death with Covid-19 per million inhabitants; however in Thailand the official number is stil 1 per million (decimals are not included).

 

My source with numbers from 31st March in Danish language is HERE, the total number of AstraZeneca deaths by that date was 45, of which 30 were in EU/EEC.

 

The Norwegians, that were among the first to notice death related to the AstraZeneca vaccine, has concluded that the deaths are caused by the vaccine, a known but extremely rare effect from vaccines where an extraordinary immunerespons happens; article in Norwegian language HERE.

 

My point is that where it makes sense in Europe – and Britain – with Covid-19 death rates in hundreds per million to use a vaccine with a much smaller risk, but the case is different in Thailand with relative almost no Covid-19 deaths; that's why I said "worth thinking about"...????

[crazykopite]

16 hours ago, khunPer said:

It might be worth thinking about that based on the European experiences with AstaZeneca vaccine, this risk of dying is four times grater from vaccination than from catching Covid-19 when living in Thailand...????

 

Facts:

30 death in Europe from 5.5 million vaccinated by AstaZeneca; i.e. 5,45 death per million. 

Thailand Covid-19 death by April 3rd is 95 from a population of nearly 70 million, i.e. 1.36 death per million.

 

Perhaps the Chinese vaccine is not that bad after all...????

So you believe everything that comes out of the daily briefings do you !

[chilly07]

Fact is nobody knows how many cases and deaths from Wuflu in Thailand as it takes a walk-in and subsequent contact tracing of hotspots to register not widespread testing. It has been pointed out that deaths above average has flatlined as Wuflu deaths are offset against the reduction in road deaths (not just dead at scene) due to restrictions and lockdowns. I would just love the chance to get an AZ jab so if anyone is offered one they don't want let me know!

[khunPer]

[rwill]

Conversely we can start talking about people that died from non Covid related causes that had not been vaccinated.  Then say maybe if they had the vaccine they might not have died.

[brain150]

So I will have to except the fact that I will soon be an outcast of society, wearing the yellow star of not being vaccinated.

 

But there is no way I will EVER allow anybody to put an nRNA device [it is by definition NOT a vaccine !!!] into my body that is not licensed [only EMERGENCY licensed !], not tested, not proven to stop the spread of any virus in any efficient way, stop getting infected but as a matter of fact is a genetically modification of my body.

 

I rather rely on my immune system and the way it has worked for a long time !
Mt freedom does not stop where your fear or [childish] believes start !!!

 

[Nanaplaza666]

21 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Facts: none of those deaths have been causally linked to the vaccine and the death rate among those who've had the vaccine is actually lower than among those who did not.

It has been proven and linked to the vaccine not the first time they put a halt to it but this is the second time they put a total halt to it even people above 60 not only under 60 so a total halt . Maybe read about it . 

[khunPer]

 

"On April 4 at Koh Samui District, Surat Thani Province Has been announced to the people of Koh Samui. Get vaccinated for COVID-19 Between 4-6 April 2021 from 09.00-17.00 at 4 service points at Koh Samui Hospital. Bangkok Hospital Samui International College of Tourism Suratthani Rajabhat University And at Central Festival Koh Samui shopping center with doctors, nurses and Koh Samui hospital staff Bangkok Hospital Samui Thai International Hospital Koh Samui Bandon Inter Hospital, Koh Samui Samui International Hospital Koh Samui District Public Health Office And staff went to provide vaccination services In which people register to receive the right via QR code line to receive appointments gradually travel to the injection 

 

Dr. Teerasak Lomthongkham, director of Koh Samui Hospital, said that the vaccination against COVID-19 This is the second vaccination in Koh Samui district. To inject to target groups of medical and public health personnel Officers at high risk Hotel staff Employees in various service locations And 25,000 people (50,000 doses) of the general public, which is expected to inject 5,000 people per day and complete the injection by April 7, 2021. 

 

Ratchaporn Poolsawat, President of the Koh Samui Tourism Promotion Association, said that he would like to thank the Ministry of Public Health and the NDC for approving 50,000 doses of the vaccine for Koh Samui. For the Koh Samui vaccination Will be coupled with preparing to open the island for foreign tourists Under the form of protection Samui Silk Roots (Samui Silk) expected around July 1 to come. The first flight to bring foreign tourists into Koh Samui will be held for 7 days, then tourists can travel at the designated locations in the Samui Silk Route system. Then you can travel freely, which will make Koh Samui residents safe...."

Google translation, read the full article in Thai language: Post Today "Koh Samui vaccinated for another 50,000 doses, ready to accept foreign tourists" HERE.

 

[sathornlover]

14 hours ago, khunPer said:

 

The original plan to vaccinate priority groups such as the elderly and people with high-risk diseases first is obsolete?

[GroveHillWanderer]

17 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

It has been proven and linked to the vaccine not the first time they put a halt to it but this is the second time they put a total halt to it even people above 60 not only under 60 so a total halt . Maybe read about it . 

Where is this proof you speak of? I'm aware of a theory for a causal mechanism that has been proposed by a Norwegian scientist but even he says this is based on the fact that he can't find another plausible reason for these clots, it is not based on actual scientific proof.

 

The only country that I know of, that has totally paused administration of the AZ vaccine is the Netherlands and even there, it is only a precautionary measure, as stated in the Yahoo News article below.

 

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The Dutch health ministry said that the country "must err on the side of caution" but that the vaccine was "safe" for use. 

 

AstraZeneca woes continue as the Netherlands halts vaccine

[khunPer]

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The only country that I know of, that has totally paused administration of the AZ vaccine is the Netherlands and even there, it is only a precautionary measure, as stated in the Yahoo News article below.

Plus Denmark and Norway are on total pause due to a number of directly vaccine-related deaths, not sure about Austria is still on hold, haven't checked...????

[khunPer]

According to Camille's Koh Samui blog "Foreigners can also get vaccinated at no cost. First group to get the vaccine is 18-59 years old".

 

The image is from International School of Tourism by Chaweng Lake today, one the places you can be vaccinated...

[Nanaplaza666]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Where is this proof you speak of? I'm aware of a theory for a causal mechanism that has been proposed by a Norwegian scientist but even he says this is based on the fact that he can't find another plausible reason for these clots, it is not based on actual scientific proof.

 

The only country that I know of, that has totally paused administration of the AZ vaccine is the Netherlands and even there, it is only a precautionary measure, as stated in the Yahoo News article below.

 

 

AstraZeneca woes continue as the Netherlands halts vaccine

A SCIENTIST says it's based on facts , but it's not SCIENTIFIC proof ???? You lost me there . 

[GroveHillWanderer]

21 hours ago, khunPer said:

Plus Denmark and Norway are on total pause due to a number of directly vaccine-related deaths, not sure about Austria is still on hold, haven't checked...????

None of the countries that have suspended vaccinations have decided yet whether the deaths were directly related to the vaccine, they all say it's a precautionary measure while they invesigate further, according to all the reports I've read.

[khunPer]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

None of the countries that have suspended vaccinations have decided yet whether the deaths were directly related to the vaccine, they all say it's a precautionary measure while they invesigate further, according to all the reports I've read.

Yes they have, Norway for example. It's a known but extremely rare reaction to some vaccines, where the immune system overreacts, especially among women under the age of 50.

 

The registered death rate in EU/EEC is 30 per 5.5 million vaccines, so 1.45 per million. However, in countries with 400+ Covid-19 related death per million inhabitants the vaccine is still better than the Covid-19 risk, and that's why some countries continue to use it and others on temporary pause considers using it for the elder population only; however, in Thailand the death rate from Covid-19 is 1.45 per million.

 

You can find links in my earlier posts...????

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, khunPer said:

Yes they have, Norway for example. It's a known but extremely rare reaction to some vaccines, where the immune system overreacts, especially among women under the age of 50.

 

Below is the latest information I can find from Norway. Some Norwegian scientists have come up with a theory that they say makes a causal link "likely". However the Norwegian authorities are still saying they need to do more investigations and cannot prove a definitive link yet.

 

Info from the below-linked Reuters article as follows:

 

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“We still need more information and more knowledge to reach a conclusion,” Sara Viksmoen Watle, senior physician at [the Norwegian Institute of Public Health] FHI, told Reuters.

 

Norway keeps AstraZeneca vaccine on hold for another three weeks

 

If you have anything more recent, or more definitive, I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

[khunPer]

6 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

If you have anything more recent, or more definitive, I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

I shared links in an earlier post, including that Norway found connection between vaccine and blood clots.

 

It's all over Danish and Norwegian news again today about link between AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots, but EMA seems reluctant to accept it, but says that they do see a connection.

 

AstraZeneca has changed name of the vaccine to "Vaxzevria".

 

Link to Norway's Aftenposten "EUs legemiddeltilsyn ser sammenheng mellom Astra Zenecas vaksine og blodpropp" HERE, and Denmark's B.T. "Vaccine-chef ser sammenhæng mellem AstraZeneca-vaccine og blodpropper" HERE, both articles from today.

 

About a week ago I read that the Norwegian population has lost faith in AstraZeneca, and a Danish poll published today shows that only 30.8 percent will accept the vaccine, whilst 45.9 percent says no; 23.3 percent havn't made up their mind. In a newspaper poll today only 11 percent says yes, and 25 percents says that if they can choose another vaccine they will do that; 56 percent says no. Link B.T. "Hver anden vil ikke have AstraZeneca" HERE.

 

Germany also have AstraZeneca vaccine on hold for people under 60 years.

????