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Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

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2 hours ago, ecline said:

Well, looks like game over for me. I am being forced to retire at the end of May next year. Been waiting for the MOI interview for three years now. Some have been waiting longer than me, so even if they start the MOI meetings up again pronto, it's very unlikely my name will be called before I a have to leave the company I work for. I dread the idea of starting a company and paying myself just to keep a work permit for a couple or three years. Has anyone had to do something like that? How much of a hassle and cost is it to start a company, maintain a work permit and then close the company?

Being forced to retire is so unreasonable, expecially so these days when people are perfectly capable of working into their 60s and beyond, but it is what it is. 

 

You still have eight months to go, so keep your fingers crossed - the MOI might lurch into action between now and then.

 

Is there any chance that the company you're with now could keep your work permit going for you after you officially retire, perhaps on a minimum salary, or some similar arrangement? If you know the owner, and are on good terms, they might be willing to help you. 

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3 hours ago, ecline said:

Well, looks like game over for me. I am being forced to retire at the end of May next year. Been waiting for the MOI interview for three years now. Some have been waiting longer than me, so even if they start the MOI meetings up again pronto, it's very unlikely my name will be called before I a have to leave the company I work for. I dread the idea of starting a company and paying myself just to keep a work permit for a couple or three years. Has anyone had to do something like that? How much of a hassle and cost is it to start a company, maintain a work permit and then close the company?

To start a company and getting all the approvals from DBD, a bare minimum of 35,000 to 40,000 THB. Plus you would have to hire an accounting firm, to file your monthly tax returns.
My wife has a company she pays the accounting 4900 THB every month to manage all the tax nonsense.

 

If you have a Thai wife, it won't be too hard, I guess.

1 minute ago, DrJoy said:

To start a company and getting all the approvals from DBD, a bare minimum of 35,000 to 40,000 THB. Plus you would have to hire an accounting firm, to file your monthly tax returns.
My wife has a company she pays the accounting 4900 THB every month to manage all the tax nonsense.

 

If you have a Thai wife, it won't be too hard, I guess.

He will also have to pay for Annual balance sheet and at minimum tax on payroll for at least 3 people 

4 hours ago, ecline said:

Well, looks like game over for me. I am being forced to retire at the end of May next year. Been waiting for the MOI interview for three years now. Some have been waiting longer than me, so even if they start the MOI meetings up again pronto, it's very unlikely my name will be called before I a have to leave the company I work for. I dread the idea of starting a company and paying myself just to keep a work permit for a couple or three years. Has anyone had to do something like that? How much of a hassle and cost is it to start a company, maintain a work permit and then close the company?

Instead of starting a company you may want to look at iglu. If you're just trying to continue your work permit. I think for a fee they will do the work permit and provide you all the paperwork required to maintain it.  

https://iglu.net/thailand/

Also are you a permanent resident?

14 hours ago, THAIJAMES said:

Instead of starting a company you may want to look at iglu. If you're just trying to continue your work permit. I think for a fee they will do the work permit and provide you all the paperwork required to maintain it.  

https://iglu.net/thailand/

Also are you a permanent resident?

I will check that out. Thanks for the suggestions. I don't have PR, just been married for 38 years.

23 hours ago, Lightyear said:

Is there any chance that the company you're with now could keep your work permit going for you after you officially retire, perhaps on a minimum salary, or some similar arrangement? If you know the owner, and are on good terms, they might be willing to help you. 

I was about to suggest the same thing. The company owners may be helpful if you have worked for them long enough. Other high paid employee can take a salary cut commensurate with your minimum salary and you can pay him back. I know of one such case where the company owner was very helpful, though it was not for same purpose as yours.

This all depends on how much you want citizenship.  I had no idea how to do the business set up, so I hired a law firm and accountant to help me do everything.  I spent approximately 3,000 EUR each year to maintain a business (all included taxes, visas, WP, employee Social fund, etc.).  I did this for 3 years until I finally got my citizenship.  

 

After getting my citizenship, I realized it was easy to keep a business going in paper only, and it has benefits for getting visas to the few countries in the world that still require you to get a visa from their embassy directly, and I can use my business to get an ABTC card, and I could manage it all by myself.  I scaled everything back (I'm the only employee now) and I spend about 15 minutes each month going through the routine of transferring funds, processing the tax forms, etc, and my total cost per year is only 14,000 baht (for annual audit).  

 

Keep in mind if you want to set up your own company, start the process minimum 6 months prior to leaving your job, so that you can make sure to get the new WP started right as you leave your old job to have continuity. I didn't have continuity, but luckily my old WP had validity after I left my company (which overlapped with my new WP)  and it wasn't stamped cancelled or void or anything.  There was no real evidence that I had been "out of work" for 6 months, so my application went through without any issues.  

 

For me they never looked at my WP again after I initially applied at Special Branch, so you could also take a chance that they never check again, but it seems like I remember others posting lately that they are checking WPs again at the MOI interview. 

1 hour ago, khongaeng said:

 For me they never looked at my WP again after I initially applied at Special Branch, so you could also take a chance that they never check again, but it seems like I remember others posting lately that they are checking WPs again at the MOI interview. 

This is true. In 2024 MOI interviews, every candidate had to submit proof of employment on the day of interview. In fact, in my case, I was orally asked if I am still in the same employment as I was when I applied at SB!

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4 hours ago, saakura said:

This is true. In 2024 MOI interviews, every candidate had to submit proof of employment on the day of interview. In fact, in my case, I was orally asked if I am still in the same employment as I was when I applied at SB!

I hope you are called for oath asap. Good luck to you and @onthemoon

11 hours ago, saakura said:

This is true. In 2024 MOI interviews, every candidate had to submit proof of employment on the day of interview. In fact, in my case, I was orally asked if I am still in the same employment as I was when I applied at SB!

 

Same batch. They asked for a copy of the WP, and I said I didn't bring it as they didn't say anything in advance. So, they asked me to send a copy of my WP to them by email afterwards, which I did.

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I just read that our new PM will also be the IM. Should we all just forget about Citizenship for a few years? 😅

5 hours ago, moochai87 said:

I just read that our new PM will also be the IM. Should we all just forget about Citizenship for a few years? 😅

Not looking too good is it 5555

On 9/17/2025 at 6:20 PM, khongaeng said:

This all depends on how much you want citizenship.  I had no idea how to do the business set up, so I hired a law firm and accountant to help me do everything.  I spent approximately 3,000 EUR each year to maintain a business (all included taxes, visas, WP, employee Social fund, etc.).  I did this for 3 years until I finally got my citizenship.  

 

After getting my citizenship, I realized it was easy to keep a business going in paper only, and it has benefits for getting visas to the few countries in the world that still require you to get a visa from their embassy directly, and I can use my business to get an ABTC card, and I could manage it all by myself.  I scaled everything back (I'm the only employee now) and I spend about 15 minutes each month going through the routine of transferring funds, processing the tax forms, etc, and my total cost per year is only 14,000 baht (for annual audit).  

 

Keep in mind if you want to set up your own company, start the process minimum 6 months prior to leaving your job, so that you can make sure to get the new WP started right as you leave your old job to have continuity. I didn't have continuity, but luckily my old WP had validity after I left my company (which overlapped with my new WP)  and it wasn't stamped cancelled or void or anything.  There was no real evidence that I had been "out of work" for 6 months, so my application went through without any issues.  

 

For me they never looked at my WP again after I initially applied at Special Branch, so you could also take a chance that they never check again, but it seems like I remember others posting lately that they are checking WPs again at the MOI interview. 

Thanks for the reply. I am 63 years old, and the head of the data science dept at a multi-national. Data science/AI is hot now, so consulting after I retire is a definite possibility, but they won't keep my WP going after I leave. I looked into iglu.net, and it is possible to keep my WP going with them, but it is way too expensive to self-fund. Opening a company would be the only practical way forward I think.

 

Then again, I am currently two years into a four-year visa and WP, so copies would still appear to be valid if called to the MOI in the next couple of years. Maybe just hope for the best?

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10 minutes ago, ecline said:

Thanks for the reply. I am 63 years old, and the head of the data science dept at a multi-national. Data science/AI is hot now, so consulting after I retire is a definite possibility, but they won't keep my WP going after I leave. I looked into iglu.net, and it is possible to keep my WP going with them, but it is way too expensive to self-fund. Opening a company would be the only practical way forward I think.

 

Then again, I am currently two years into a four-year visa and WP, so copies would still appear to be valid if called to the MOI in the next couple of years. Maybe just hope for the best?

As per recent reports, original work Permit is required at the moi interview. I strongly advise to keep WP running

I received my citizenship a few years back. I plan on purchasing a townhome and have signed all the papers to do so with a reputable real estate agency. The next step is to go down to the Land Department and go through that process.

 

If any of you have any advice or experience you might have in going through this kind of process I would appreciate it if you could share it here. 

4 hours ago, qualtrough said:

I received my citizenship a few years back. I plan on purchasing a townhome and have signed all the papers to do so with a reputable real estate agency. The next step is to go down to the Land Department and go through that process.

 

If any of you have any advice or experience you might have in going through this kind of process I would appreciate it if you could share it here. 

I bought some land upcountry a few years ago. Went to the Land Office serving my area and initially but when I passed over my ID card and the title deeds together with the land owner, just to get a queue number, I was told that farangs cannot buy/own land by the official handling the queue. However, she went over and consulted her boss who smiled (I think he actually laughed but perhaps I am biased) and told her that as I was Thai, I could indeed buy land. I was then given a queue number and everything ran pretty straight forward. Prior to the Land Department visit, I visited a bank with the owner of the land and paid off his debt to get the deeds returned. Then went to the Land Department where ownership was recorded back in his hands as opposed to the bank. It was only then that we started the queue for my purchase of the land and to get the deeds recorded in the name of myself and my wife.  

 

If I recall correctly, the former moderator for this page @Arkady, has bought a number of plots of land so would be in a better position to give you more of the ins and outs of the procedure. I understand that the process can vary quite a bit from Land Office to Land Office. In my case, it is very unlikely that they had much, if any, experience with land sales to farang Thais, unlike many Land Offices in Bangkok.  

 

Oops, I forgot (I'm getting forgetful in my dotage). I also bought a townhouse in Bangkok prior to that and it was very straightforward at the Bangkok Metropolitan Land Office, Prakanong Branch. The real estate agency and the bank (for the seller who had a mortgage on the property) made all the arrangements. I was told what bank drafts (cashiers checks) to prepare, i.e. to pay the bank, the seller and the agent, and other documents to bring with me (I think it was only my ID card and my House Registration (which was in my son's name as we bought that hose in his name before I got citizenship). 

5 hours ago, qualtrough said:

I received my citizenship a few years back. I plan on purchasing a townhome and have signed all the papers to do so with a reputable real estate agency. The next step is to go down to the Land Department and go through that process.

 

If any of you have any advice or experience you might have in going through this kind of process I would appreciate it if you could share it here. 

You're a Thai citizen, only that matters.

Present your original Thai national id card and Tabien Baan to buy/ sell land.

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On 9/22/2025 at 8:08 PM, GarryP said:

I bought some land upcountry a few years ago. Went to the Land Office serving my area and initially but when I passed over my ID card and the title deeds together with the land owner, just to get a queue number, I was told that farangs cannot buy/own land by the official handling the queue. However, she went over and consulted her boss who smiled (I think he actually laughed but perhaps I am biased) and told her that as I was Thai, I could indeed buy land. I was then given a queue number and everything ran pretty straight forward. Prior to the Land Department visit, I visited a bank with the owner of the land and paid off his debt to get the deeds returned. Then went to the Land Department where ownership was recorded back in his hands as opposed to the bank. It was only then that we started the queue for my purchase of the land and to get the deeds recorded in the name of myself and my wife.  

 

If I recall correctly, the former moderator for this page @Arkady, has bought a number of plots of land so would be in a better position to give you more of the ins and outs of the procedure. I understand that the process can vary quite a bit from Land Office to Land Office. In my case, it is very unlikely that they had much, if any, experience with land sales to farang Thais, unlike many Land Offices in Bangkok.  

 

Oops, I forgot (I'm getting forgetful in my dotage). I also bought a townhouse in Bangkok prior to that and it was very straightforward at the Bangkok Metropolitan Land Office, Prakanong Branch. The real estate agency and the bank (for the seller who had a mortgage on the property) made all the arrangements. I was told what bank drafts (cashiers checks) to prepare, i.e. to pay the bank, the seller and the agent, and other documents to bring with me (I think it was only my ID card and my House Registration (which was in my son's name as we bought that hose in his name before I got citizenship). 

Thank you for your reply. Just closed on the deal today at the land office. Went smoothly and without a hitch. For a brief moment the officer started to say that he couldn't do the transfer, but then he saw all my citizenship documents, smiled, and said no problem.

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On 9/17/2025 at 7:35 PM, saakura said:

This is true. In 2024 MOI interviews, every candidate had to submit proof of employment on the day of interview. In fact, in my case, I was orally asked if I am still in the same employment as I was when I applied at SB!

Did you call the highly intelligent people at MOI , about your oath?

On 10/7/2025 at 11:18 AM, DrJoy said:

Did you call the highly intelligent people at MOI , about your oath?

As an ordinary person, I have no high level contact at MOI who can give me an informed answer based on facts. So I just wait & pray.

On 10/8/2025 at 10:25 PM, saakura said:

As an ordinary person, I have no high level contact at MOI who can give me an informed answer based on facts. So I just wait & pray.

Call this number and ask about your status - 027917332

Nationality section, MOI, Pathumthani 

On 10/10/2025 at 8:23 PM, DrJoy said:

Call this number and ask about your status - 027917332

Nationality section, MOI, Pathumthani 

Thank you, I will do so when they return to work after the long weekend. 

On 10/12/2025 at 9:55 AM, saakura said:

Thank you, I will do so when they return to work after the long weekend. 

I called the number two times but they were not able to give me any specific information and just asked me to wait for being called. 😔

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On 9/22/2025 at 10:38 AM, ecline said:

Thanks for the reply. I am 63 years old, and the head of the data science dept at a multi-national. Data science/AI is hot now, so consulting after I retire is a definite possibility, but they won't keep my WP going after I leave. I looked into iglu.net, and it is possible to keep my WP going with them, but it is way too expensive to self-fund. Opening a company would be the only practical way forward I think.

 

Then again, I am currently two years into a four-year visa and WP, so copies would still appear to be valid if called to the MOI in the next couple of years. Maybe just hope for the best?

After all the effort and work that went into such an application, keep the process going. You're about to cross the finishing line. The process is not easy for anyone, for many it takes turns as nothing follows a straight line in Thailand. Maybe you have a friend or connection who can employ you on paper? Wish you all the best!

 

Married for nearly four decades here and working for long, you're the one who deserves the citizenship. Many attempt to force shortcuts, you know what I mean. Keep at it, you are the one this naturalization opportunity is really for, don't get discouraged by the usual bureaucracy terror, just keep your possibilities open.

On 10/19/2025 at 3:57 PM, heiri007 said:

After all the effort and work that went into such an application, keep the process going. You're about to cross the finishing line. The process is not easy for anyone, for many it takes turns as nothing follows a straight line in Thailand. Maybe you have a friend or connection who can employ you on paper? Wish you all the best!

 

Married for nearly four decades here and working for long, you're the one who deserves the citizenship. Many attempt to force shortcuts, you know what I mean. Keep at it, you are the one this naturalization opportunity is really for, don't get discouraged by the usual bureaucracy terror, just keep your possibilities open.

Thanks for the encouragement. For me the issue is the WP as I will lose it in 7 or 8 months. Another company got wind of the fact that I will retire and they are talking about consulting. And my current company is also saying they might be open to me consulting on a few projects. They were not open to the idea previously. So, if either of these things can happen, then using something like the service offered by iglu could be viable. We will see. The work permit is the sticking point and I don't know anyone who can just keep me on their books and get me a WP.

The Royal Gazette published an announcement from the Ministry of Interior revoking Lyonpat's Thai nationality.

 

On October 24, 2025, the Royal Gazette published an announcement from the Ministry of Interior regarding the revocation of Thai nationality.

 

It has been revealed that Mr. Pat Supapha, or Lyon Pat, a Thai national, obtained Thai citizenship through naturalization and continues to use Cambodian nationality. Furthermore, information from the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) and the Department of Consular Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has been reported to indicate his involvement with a group of individuals who defrauded citizens, leading to US sanctions due to his special asset seizures related to human trafficking and cyber fraud.

 

The behavior of such individuals affects national security, is contrary to the interests of the state, and is contrary to public order or good morals. If left unchecked, it could cause serious damage to the people and the public.

 

The Minister of Interior therefore ordered the revocation of  Thai nationality of Mr. Pat Supapha or Lyon Pat.... อ่านข่าวต้นฉบับได้ที่ . R.G.

On 10/25/2025 at 2:19 PM, DrJoy said:

The Royal Gazette published an announcement from the Ministry of Interior revoking Lyonpat's Thai nationality.

 

On October 24, 2025, the Royal Gazette published an announcement from the Ministry of Interior regarding the revocation of Thai nationality.

 

It has been revealed that Mr. Pat Supapha, or Lyon Pat, a Thai national, obtained Thai citizenship through naturalization and continues to use Cambodian nationality. Furthermore, information from the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) and the Department of Consular Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has been reported to indicate his involvement with a group of individuals who defrauded citizens, leading to US sanctions due to his special asset seizures related to human trafficking and cyber fraud.

 

The behavior of such individuals affects national security, is contrary to the interests of the state, and is contrary to public order or good morals. If left unchecked, it could cause serious damage to the people and the public.

 

The Minister of Interior therefore ordered the revocation of  Thai nationality of Mr. Pat Supapha or Lyon Pat.... อ่านข่าวต้นฉบับได้ที่ . R.G.

 

 

Things can always change but to date the bar on revoking citizenship from naturalized Thais seems quite high. This guy is well connected in Thailand and his activities probably well known but Thailand only took action against him after the US Treasury sanctioned him for scamming US citizens, and possibly only as a result of from the US. 

 

They also said they would revoke Thai citizenship from the Chinese guy who married a Thai police colonel and ran drug dealing, illegal night clubs and under age girls sex trafficking businesses. But there has been no follow up on that case.  

 

There was a Malaysian woman some years ago who lost her Thai citizenship gained through marriage for drug smuggling with the revocation ordered by a Thai court.  Also there was a couple who lost their citizen for running a gambling den. They were acquitted by the appellate court but the MOI refused to reinstate their citizenship until the Supreme Administrative Court ordered the reinstatement 15 years after revocation.   

 

So far mainly high crimes and misdemeanours, except that British missionary doctor who was Thai through birth in Thailand prior to the 1971 amendment and lost his citizenship in 2004 for coming into Thailand on his British passport.  However, note that 19.2 "Making use of former nationality" was cited in the announcement signed by Anutin re the Ly Yong Phat case in addition to 19.3 and 19.4 which cover endangering national security and offenses against public morality.  Clearly someone with his high level Thai connections would not have lost his Thai citizenship for violation of 19.2 alone.

A Thai court also ordered the revocation of a Burmese drug smuggler's Thai nationality some years ago after he had been convicted under his Thai name, based on his Thai ID court.  The MOI was unable to process the revocation order because they couldn't find any record of him being naturalized and assumed he used a fake ID card.  Soon afterwards he escaped from prison, presumably using his drug money to pay bribes,  and returned to Burma. So I guess he didn't have any further use for Thai nationality anyway.  

3 hours ago, Arkady said:

A Thai court also ordered the revocation of a Burmese drug smuggler's Thai nationality some years ago after he had been convicted under his Thai name, based on his Thai ID court.  The MOI was unable to process the revocation order because they couldn't find any record of him being naturalized and assumed he used a fake ID card.  Soon afterwards he escaped from prison, presumably using his drug money to pay bribes,  and returned to Burma. So I guess he didn't have any further use for Thai nationality anyway.  

To surmise, They take several years to grant citizenship but cancel it within 48 hours.

 

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