Higher, faster, deadlier: Third wave of COVID triggers growing fear in Thailand

[BenDeCosta]

In years to come, I am absolutely convinced that we will look back on this situation and discover that the knee-jerk reaction by governments around the world will actually have caused more harm than the virus itself.

 

It just seems incomprehensible that effectively shutting the world down for over a year can be a viable reaction to a virus that is so "dangerous" that you need a test to even know that you've got it. Yes, people have died, and I'm sorry about that, but why is it now all about covid, people were dying in greater numbers from many other things prior to this, but governments weren't doing what they are doing now.

 

There is definitely another agenda here. Jeff Bezos has earned $70 billion during the pandemic. Something just isn't right about what's going on.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

 

Neither nor. It is just an objective statement. Personal interpretation up to you.

I would suggest your personal interpretation needs to catch up with the reality of the situation

[Richard Hall]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I would suggest your personal interpretation needs to catch up with the reality of the situation

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

It ain't my personal interpretation.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

It ain't my personal interpretation.

Sounds like it to me based on what you said below

 

"Neither nor. It is just an objective statement. Personal interpretation up to you."

 

I see deaths rising rapidly again globally, have you taken a look at India yet?

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[cocoonclub]

20 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

a virus that is so "dangerous" that you need a test to even know that you've got it

Unlike cancer, HIV, Hepatitis, and all those other harmless conditions who send a big label to your forehead saying “you’ve been infected”. 
 

 

[cocoonclub]

23 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

people were dying in greater numbers from many other things prior to this, but governments weren't doing what they are doing now.

Whataboutism. Following your twisted logic, terrorists attacks are cool too because “people were dying in greater numbers from many other things” and “governments weren't doing what they are doing now.”

[BenDeCosta]

7 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

Unlike cancer, HIV, Hepatitis, and all those other harmless conditions who send a big label to your forehead saying “you’ve been infected”. 
 

 

 

Hepatitis has terrible symptoms, you'll certainly know that you're sick. My father had it and went completely yellow. Cancer, you'll know that you've got it because you'll have a lump, pain, or growth on your skin if it's a melanoma. Pancreatic cancer, you'll be doubled over in pain. HIV, you may or may not know that you've got it, but it does give flu-like symptoms when most people first get it. Covid on the other hand, gives no symptoms to many people who have it. It's entirely possible to have it and not have any symptoms at all, but yeah, it's so dangerous that even if you've got it, your chances of recovering are ONLY 99.5%, unlike the conditions you mentioned.

 

But governments have not shut down economies and destroyed people's livelihoods because of those illnesses. That is the point I am trying to convey. Small business owners have been wiped out by these knee-jerk reactions, suicides are through the roof in many countries, and if you live in Thailand, you probably have at least a few friends who now have pawned everything waiting for this to blow over.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[Richard Hall]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Sounds like it to me based on what you said below

 

"Neither nor. It is just an objective statement. Personal interpretation up to you."

 

I see deaths rising rapidly again globally, have you taken a look at India yet?

 

 

I just did and I reckon officially 0.0145% of the Indian population has died with or by the virus.

 

 

[PGSan]

4 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

It is not Racist my friend, just factual.

Is there a difference?  For you.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Richard Hall said:

I just did and I reckon officially 0.0145% of the Indian population has died with or by the virus.

 

 

Time stamp that and add 3 thousand + within the next 24 hours, and the next, and the next. Crematoriums have been burning for so long they have started to melt 

[Fex Bluse]

6 hours ago, BenDeCosta said:

It's looking like this could go on for another year or two.  

We'll be at this for at least 5 years. The fallout of it all is a 10 year timeline.

[kickstart]

5 hours ago, sambum said:

Could they not be quarantined in their own homes, thereby freeing up beds for more needy cases?

You are so right ,but can you imagine a Thai staying at home for a full two weeks ,they will say I feel OK, I will go out for a bowl of noddles ,or go to the shop(s).

I would say the government knows that ,hence lock them up in a sports centre for two weeks. 

[Fex Bluse]

9 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

Hepatitis has terrible symptoms, you'll certainly know that you're sick. My father had it and went completely yellow. Cancer, you'll know that you've got it because you'll have a lump, pain, or growth on your skin if it's a melanoma. Pancreatic cancer, you'll be doubled over in pain. HIV, you may or may not know that you've got it, but it does give flu-like symptoms when most people first get it. Covid on the other hand, gives no symptoms to many people who have it. It's entirely possible to have it and not have any symptoms at all, but yeah, it's so dangerous that even if you've got it, your chances of recovering are ONLY 99.5%, unlike the conditions you mentioned.

 

But governments have not shut down economies and destroyed people's livelihoods because of those illnesses. That is the point I am trying to convey. Small business owners have been wiped out by these knee-jerk reactions, suicides are through the roof in many countries, and if you live in Thailand, you probably have at least a few friends who now have pawned everything waiting for this to blow over.

 

I'm not sure this logic is correct. A simple way to think about this is this thus

 

If we just let the virus run wild, it will continue to mutate even more and more. There would never be a heard immunity as a) people can be reinfected by the same strain and b) there will be new, worse strains.

 

Considering that, would you just let it run wild? No lockdowns, ect.

[Richard Hall]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Time stamp that and add 3 thousand + within the next 24 hours, and the next, and the next. Crematoriums have been burning for so long they have started to melt 

 

I rather stick to facts than fortune telling. Remind me when India's mortality rate has officially reached at least 1%.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Richard Hall

[PGSan]

1 hour ago, BenDeCosta said:

Instead of looking at just a raw figure try understanding it in context.

That makes 3 million (out of 50) very high.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Richard Hall said:

 

I rather stick to facts than fortune telling. Remind me when Indians mortality rate has officially reached at least 1%.

Here's some facts for you:

 

Photos show the devastation of the COVID-19 humanitarian crisis in India, where the crematoriums have been burning for so long they have started to melt

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-indias-crematoriums-have-started-to-melt-so-many-bodies-2021-4#only-two-months-ago-india-the-second-most-populated-country-in-the-world-was-reveling-in-its-success-of-reining-in-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-1

 

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

I just did and I reckon officially 0.0145% of the Indian population has died with or by the virus.

 

 

Another denier of reality and stuck on deaths he can only see, and not the totality of the situation in regards to the medical issues it has caused and continues to cause called long Covid..

[BenDeCosta]

10 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Considering that, would you just let it run wild? No lockdowns, ect.

 

Look at every pandemic in human history. No lockdowns, no economic devastation, people didn't lose their jobs and their life savings. Life continued, as it always does. Disease is part of nature, we cannot control it.

 

Does this now mean that every time a novel illness is discovered that anyone without a huge chunk of cash in the bank will become bankrupted?

 

I would suggest that the measures that have been used in a futile attempt to control this virus have just allowed it to go on for much longer than it would have naturally. If we had done nothing, we would have been back to normal by now. Would more people have died? I highly doubt it. Now there are deaths coming from people who cannot access medical care and people who are committing suicide.

 

On the grand scheme of things, the virus is really not that dangerous. Destroying people's livelihoods is almost certainly going to cause more damage.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[Richard Hall]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's some facts for you:

 

Photos show the devastation of the COVID-19 humanitarian crisis in India, where the crematoriums have been burning for so long they have started to melt

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-indias-crematoriums-have-started-to-melt-so-many-bodies-2021-4#only-two-months-ago-india-the-second-most-populated-country-in-the-world-was-reveling-in-its-success-of-reining-in-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-1

 

Nevertheless, the Indian mortality rate is just a mere 0.0145%. It appears that India is a lil short of crematoriums considering a population of about 1.4 billion people.

 

Think don't feel. There is no Bogeyman although the media always try to sell it to you.

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

 

I'm not sure this logic is correct. A simple way to think about this is this thus

 

If we just let the virus run wild, it will continue to mutate even more and more. There would never be a heard immunity as a) people can be reinfected by the same strain and b) there will be new, worse strains.

 

Considering that, would you just let it run wild? No lockdowns, ect.

Most virologists and other scientific experts were saying a long time ago that new variants tend to be more contagious, i.e. spread more rapidly. But the viruses also tend to become less deadly. Something to do with the natural survival strategy for viruses, because they need people to survive so the virus can continue to spread. 

Is there evidence to suggest the virus is becoming more deadly? Or is it simply spreading more? 

[Richard Hall]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Another denier of reality and stuck on deaths he can only see, and not the totality of the situation in regards to the medical issues it has caused and continues to cause called long Covid..

 

Facts can't be denied. Facts are facts. Not more, not less.

 

Also to you: THINK don't feel. In your own best interest. Covid ain't the Bogeyman as I just proved.

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

Nevertheless, the Indian mortality rate is just a mere 0.0145%. It appears that India is a lil short of crematoriums considering a population of about 1.4 billion people.

 

Think don't feel. There is no Bogeyman although the media always try to sell it to you.

Yes, a denier you surely are.  Enjoy the view from the cheap seats.

[Fex Bluse]

5 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

Look at every pandemic in human history. No lockdowns, no economic devastation, people didn't lose their jobs and their life savings. Life continued, as it always does. Disease is part of nature, we cannot control it.

 

Does this now mean that every time a novel illness is discovered that anyone without a huge chunk of cash in the bank will become bankrupted?

 

I would suggest that the measures that have been used in a futile attempt to control this virus have just allowed it to go on for much longer than it would have naturally. If we had done nothing, we would have been back to normal by now. Would more people have died? I highly doubt it. Now there are deaths coming from people who cannot access medical care and people who are committing suicide.

 

On the grand scheme of things, the virus is really not that dangerous. Destroying people's livelihoods is almost certainly going to cause more damage.

 

I can understand your position, but I still think the logic is faulty. Not every infectious disease is the same. Nor is every phase of human history. There were times, for example, that the world was not very much connected, far less densely populated, people relied on income more heavily from jobs that were less susceptible to a pandemic (like farming). 

 

What came before is not necessarily the same as what will come in future. 

[Richard Hall]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yes, a denier you surely are.  Enjoy the view from the cheap seats.

 

Nope, I am surely not. Stupidity among humankind is undeniable.

[BenDeCosta]

There is no proof that facemasks, social distancing and lockdowns actually have any benefit in preventing the spread of this virus, yet most governments are pushing them. Why is that? You need to look at the multi-million dollar contracts that governments give to people who are providing the equipment and the tests, often it will be a friend or family member, as is the case in the UK.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[englishoak]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's some facts for you:

 

Photos show the devastation of the COVID-19 humanitarian crisis in India, where the crematoriums have been burning for so long they have started to melt

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-indias-crematoriums-have-started-to-melt-so-many-bodies-2021-4#only-two-months-ago-india-the-second-most-populated-country-in-the-world-was-reveling-in-its-success-of-reining-in-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-1

 

 

Pure media hyperbole, you are literally linking a media paper and calling it facts... why because the paper said so ? 

 

Pictures dont explain context. Any picture of a cremation in India would freak people out when labelled as unusual. Unless your actually Indian then know there is nothing unusual about open cremations in India nor hard to find people in poor health or condition. They are everywhere and permanent. 

 

30,000 + die in India every day, they have been through much much worse and crisis when millions have died of starvation, flooding, disease and all manner of disasters.. Covid is literally nothing when put in context and looked at calmly  without the media hype. 

 

You just want to be scared because ... no idea tbh

Edited April 28, 2021 by englishoak

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Richard Hall said:

Nevertheless, the Indian mortality rate is just a mere 0.0145%. It appears that India is a lil short of crematoriums considering a population of about 1.4 billion people.

 

Think don't feel. There is no Bogeyman although the media always try to sell it to you.

Insensitivity to deaths, blaming India for not having enough crematoriums to cope with all the bodies that have to be burned a casual flippant remark of "remind me when they reach 1%" and now the bogeyman is being sold to us by the media. 

 

Enjoy your conspiracy laden life, you must be very frustrated that everyone else is dealing with this as best they can.

 

 

[BenDeCosta]

Prior to the pandemic, tens of millions of people were dying every single year around the world. Where were the virtue-signallers then?

 

Oh right, it didn't match the agenda that they were trying to push, so it was ignored.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

 

Nope, I am surely not. Stupidity among humankind is undeniable.

Ah god mode.  Very nice to be so insensitive to the number of deaths, and the many funeral pyres as well as the increased deaths we are seeing here.  Are you even in Thailand?

[Richard Hall]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Insensitivity to deaths, blaming India for not having enough crematoriums to cope with all the bodies that have to be burned a casual flippant remark of "remind me when they reach 1%" and now the bogeyman is being sold to us by the media. 

 

Enjoy your conspiracy laden life, you must be very frustrated that everyone else is dealing with this as best they can.

 

 

 

Back to school, my friend. What conspiracy you are talking about? I just referred to official figures. Not more not less. I ain't into tabloids. So far the mortality rate is officially a mere 0.0145%.

 

Or do you reckon those figures are not reliable: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/