Pink ID card Debate !!!...

[richard_smith237]

Let the games commence... 

[richard_smith237]

Pink ID card says on the front.....  Identification Card for People who do not have Thai nationality

Pink ID card says on the back....   This is not an ID card

 

So, which is it ??? its either an ID card or it isn’t - the information on the card itself is contradictory... and here we are as foreigners on a forum arguing the toss because of the pathetic attention to detail employed by Thai officials.... !!! 

 

Its an ID until it can’t be used as an ID card... I think thats about as useful as it gets for those without PR.

 

Holding a Pink ID card is certainly starting to look a lot more helpful under the current conditions.

 

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Getting a little deeper into the issue...  the confusion around the actual language used:

 

Front… 

Bud (card) prachamtoa (person) khon (person) Sung (which) mai-mee (not have) san-chart (nationality) Thai.

 

Back...

Bud (card) nee (this) mi-chai (not) bud (card) prachamtoa (person) prachachon (citizen)

 

Prachachon is the key missing word on the front which, the absence of which means its is not a ‘citizen’ identification card, but a ‘person’ identification card..... If that makes sense. 

 

[Pilotman]

Of course it is, until it isn't, and then maybe it is for some and not for others, or maybe not. Its Thailand, so its whatever the next person you talk to says it is. 

[worgeordie]

I have only found it to be useful once, I opened up new bank account

and the manager was showing me how to change the PIN number from

the one they had given me to one i could choose, at the ATM machine

he tried the account number, passport number,and he could not get

the ATM to allow change of the PIN, so I just said try the Pink card,only

other thing i had with a number on, .......and surprize it worked, don't know

why or how, but it did.

regards worgeordie

[CharlieH]

In the land of inconsistency its entirely dependent on who you see on the day and what they interpret it to be,just like so many other things here.

Good to have, until its refused.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

I have only found it to be useful once, I opened up new bank account

and the manager was showing me how to change the PIN number from

the one they had given me to one i could choose, at the ATM machine

he tried the account number, passport number,and he could not get

the ATM to allow change of the PIN, so I just said try the Pink card,only

other thing i had with a number on, .......and surprize it worked, don't know

why or how, but it did.

regards worgeordie

 

Others are finding it useful to register for the Vaccine on the Mor Prom website / App.

 

I’ve started this thread as a carry over from a debate on another thread where a debate was taking over.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

So, which is it ??? its either an ID card or it isn’t - the information on the card itself is contradictory

Never seen a pink card, in 16 years all I ever use for ID is my passport or copy of, my driving licences and yellow house book.

[Sheryl]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Never seen a pink card, in 16 years all I ever use for ID is my passport or copy of, my driving licences and yellow house book.

If you already have the yellow house book, you can get the pink ID card in under half an hour, for free, at the Ampur.

 

The Hard part is getting the yellow house book. Once you gave it, they can issue the card on the spot. It is a lot easier to carry around than the house book and many places will accept it as ID.  Can also get Thai price on admission to many places with it.  And, of cours, now can register for COVID vaccine with it.

 

The yellow book can indeed be a hassle to get but I can see no reason nto to get the pink ID card if you already have it, easiest thing in the world to do.

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Pink ID card says on the front.....  Identification Card for People who do not have Thai nationality

Pink ID card says on the back....   This is not an ID card

 

So, which is it ??? its either an ID card or it isn’t - the information on the card itself is contradictory... and here we are as foreigners on a forum arguing the toss because of the pathetic attention to detail employed by Thai officials.... !!! 

 

Its an ID until it can’t be used as an ID card... I think thats about as useful as it gets for those without PR.

 

Holding a Pink ID card is certainly starting to look a lot more helpful under the current conditions.

 

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Getting a little deeper into the issue...  the confusion around the actual language used:

 

Front… 

Bud (card) prachamtoa (person) khon (person) Sung (which) mai-mee (not have) san-chart (nationality) Thai.

 

Back...

Bud (card) nee (this) mi-chai (not) bud (card) prachamtoa (person) prachachon (citizen)

 

Prachachon is the key missing word on the front which, the absence of which means its is not a ‘citizen’ identification card, but a ‘person’ identification card..... If that makes sense. 

 

 

Yes, I think that is exactly it.

 

Many places will accept it as ID and in fact will prefer it if they need to enter an ID number into a computer field.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Never seen a pink card, in 16 years all I ever use for ID is my passport or copy of, my driving licences and yellow house book.

 

And I think thats all you need as your Yellow Tabien Baan also has your Thailand registered ID Number in it (starting with 6)....  

 

I don’t carry my passport, or yellow house book with me in my wallet - the Pink ID has its uses in lieu of carrying those documents.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

If you already have the yellow house book, you can get the pink ID card in under half an hour, for free, at the Ampur.

 

The Hard part is getting the yellow house book. Once you gave it, they can issue the card on the spot. It is a lot easier to carry around than the house book and many places will accept it as ID.  Can also get Thai price on admission to many places with it.  And, of cours, now can register for COVID vaccine with it.

 

The yellow book can indeed be a hassle to get but I can see no reason nto to get the pink ID card if you already have it, easiest thing in the world to do.

Thanks for reply and I have a yellow book.

My Thai DL's have my Thai ID number on them and have used it to get into places in the past but I'm done with that now.

I have never had a problem at all with producing ID in my years here.

[Kwasaki]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

And I think thats all you need as your Yellow Tabien Baan also has your Thailand registered ID Number in it (starting with 6)....  

 

I don’t carry my passport, or yellow house book with me in my wallet - the Pink ID has its uses in lieu of carrying those documents.

 

 

My Thai DL's have my Picture, my address and my Thai ID number not my passport number and I use them as ID.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I have never had a problem at all with producing ID in my years here.

 

When walking down Sukhumvit road I’m expecting a couple of Thonglor’s finest will rock up on their knackered scooter....   thinking they’ve hit the jack-pot !!!...   He’s clearly off his nuts, lets get him pi$$ing a cup !

 

But, as I hand over my Pink ID they are clearly impressed... ‘this guy is no two week tourist !!!’....  they apologise, proffer a high Wai and give my taxi a an escort straight to Nana.... 

 

...... I think this is why some seem so against the Pink ID card... as if they think some people are under the misconception that they provided with some ‘mystical’ powers of ‘untouchability’.... which IMO is not the case at all. 

 

BUT... in such situations, it could turn out to be handy.... IMO its far more handing when out and about and thinking.... Ah.. I’ll pop into the Bank....  but oh Damn, my passport is in the safe a home !! no matter, the pink card is in my wallet. 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

My Thai DL's have my Picture, my address and my Thai ID number not my passport number and I use them as ID.

 

You can use your Thai Driving License as ID ???....    Give it a try at the bank. 

 

Thai DL not accepted to get local price on Koh Samet last year, Pink ID did.

 

None of which is a life changer of course !!!  

 

 

As Sheryl wrote, if someone has the Yellow Tabien Baan, then an extra 30mins to get the Pink ID is a negligible amount of time for something which can be carried around conveniently.

 

I guess the only people who didn’t get the Pink ID when they get a yellow book are those who didn’t know about it so didn’t ask. 

 

 

Just to clarify - A Pink ID is not needed at all.....  obtaining the Yellow Tabien Baan house book is far more useful just for that ID number. Neither are a ’need to have’ but they come in handy, can safe money and time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Golden Triangle]

So, I don't own property, I have rented for the last 10 years, can I get a pink ID card ?

 

Serious question.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Golden Triangle said:

So, I don't own property, I have rented for the last 10 years, can I get a pink ID card ?

 

Serious question.

 

Yes... depending on the relationship you have with your landlord.

 

You will need their assistance...  and depending on the area you live in (which Amphur office) some other requirements which vary.

 

MFA Verified Copy of the translation of an Embassy Notarised Copy of your Passport !!!!

(i.e. Go to Embassy, get  Notarised Copy of Passport, Get that officially translated, then get that certification varied by the MFA) 

 

You also need - Property owner, Property owner’s ID, Property owner’s Dark Blue Tabien Baan

You’ll also need two witnesses

 

OR.. at a far less strict Amphur, you just need your passport, the Property owner with the Dark Blue Tabien Baan.

 

.... it can be a pain in the backside - but easily doable with patience.

 

[Golden Triangle]

37 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes... depending on the relationship you have with your landlord.

 

You will need their assistance...  and depending on the area you live in (which Amphur office) some other requirements which vary.

 

MFA Verified Copy of the translation of an Embassy Notarised Copy of your Passport !!!!

(i.e. Go to Embassy, get  Notarised Copy of Passport, Get that officially translated, then get that certification varied by the MFA) 

 

You also need - Property owner, Property owner’s ID, Property owner’s Dark Blue Tabien Baan

You’ll also need two witnesses

 

OR.. at a far less strict Amphur, you just need your passport, the Property owner with the Dark Blue Tabien Baan.

 

.... it can be a pain in the backside - but easily doable with patience.

 

Thanks for your welcome reply, I'll run it past the mrs, my landlord is a sweetie, it shouldn't be a problem getting her on board, I'm interested to know what sort of costs are involved with the likes of the British embassy & MFA for example, but then again will I ever need to use it again unless the devine being sends us another plague/pandemic to deal with ????????????

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

Thanks for your welcome reply, I'll run it past the mrs, my landlord is a sweetie, it shouldn't be a problem getting her on board, I'm interested to know what sort of costs are involved with the likes of the British embassy & MFA for example, but then again will I ever need to use it again unless the devine being sends us another plague/pandemic to deal with ????????????

 

Costs: 

1) Embassy: Notarised Copy of Passport - (British Embassy Notary Services are about £25  / 1075 baht)

 

2) Translation of Notarised Copy of Passport (Translation service at MFA offices: ±300 baht)

3) MFA verification of Translation (400 baht per document + *60 baht postage)

*can’t be done on the spot, its posted to you in a 3-4 days.

 

Note: This is a requirement of ’some’ (most) Amphur offices and is purely about ensuring the Thai Spelling of your foreign name is correct. IF you have a Marriage certificate, the above 3 steps may not be necessary. OR, if they are necessary ensure the translation of your passport has the same spelling as your Marriage cert or there could be other unforeseen issues later on (with future documents etc).

 

I can’t recall other costs at the Amphur Office.. its inexpensive...

I think the Yellow Book may even be free... and the Pink ID card is about 20-40 baht. 

 

 

Step #1 is to go to the Amphur Office and ask them what their document requirements are for the Yellow Tabien Baan for a foreigner. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Monday]

I have a yellow book, as condo unit owner, but no ID card.

My lawyer and I agree it is useless.  Even if it can get you a Thai entrance price somewhere the person doing you the solid is making an error. Only a Thai is a Thai.

 

If it can get a foreigner registered for vaccination it has a purpose!

 

Where to apply for a Pink ID card for foreigner, in Chiang Mai?

[hereforgood]

If one feels it will help them then they should get one. I have never found the need for one so never bothered getting one same with the yellow book for my condo just never needed one.

[Crossy]

Has anyone mentioned that the number on your pink card will be accepted by the Mor Prom app to register for a covid jab?

 

 

If you already have a yellow book it's the work of minutes (OK maybe an hour) to get the pink card.

[Peterw42]

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Where to apply for a Pink ID card for foreigner, in Chiang Mai?

The same place you got the yellow book, its all the same information and usually a 5 minute process to print the card

[Brierley]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The same place you got the yellow book, its all the same information and usually a 5 minute process to print the card

Where is that Peter, I don't have a yellow book?

[bluesofa]

38 minutes ago, Crossy said:

Has anyone mentioned that the number on your pink card will be accepted by the Mor Prom app to register for a covid jab?

It didn't recognise mine yesterday when I got my wife to try to register me with the above. It said it couldn't find my details in the system.

[jaiyenyen]

3 minutes ago, Brierley said:

Where is that Peter, I don't have a yellow book?

You need to go to your local amphur.

[canthai55]

7 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

So, I don't own property, I have rented for the last 10 years, can I get a pink ID card ?

 

Serious question.

I have had one for years.

Check with your local Amphur for their requirements.

I needed nothing like the amount of paperwork described above, Notarized copies, etc

Each Amphur different I have found

[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, Brierley said:

Where is that Peter, I don't have a yellow book?

At your local amphur (gov office). the requirements can vary depending on office.

[Captain Monday]

12 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The same place you got the yellow book, its all the same information and usually a 5 minute process to print the card

I got my yellow book at the Sriwichai district office, by the oldfire station near chang phuak.

Hardest thing I ever did in Thailand. They said the Pink ID was issued by a different office. Never followed up with it.

[ExpatOilWorker]

What is the purpose and benefits of having said yellow book and pink ID card?

 

I have been here 25 years and have neither.  

[Peterw42]

12 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

It didn't recognise mine yesterday when I got my wife to try to register me with the above. It said it couldn't find my details in the system.

I would try again today as the system was very overloaded yesterday, you need to put any pink card details exactly as they appear on the card, name in Thai as per the card (usually 1st and second name is listed as 1st name etc, there is no field for 2nd name), ID number from front of card, card number from rear of card etc.