Free Covid-19 vaccinations for foreign residents in Chiang Mai from June

[anchadian]

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1392843467273867268

 

Good news. The Facebook page ‘CityLife ChiangMai’ has just posted to say that the Governor of Chiang Mai is offering free vaccination to all foreigners in June. It doesn’t say which vaccine but it will most likely be AstraZeneca which is being rolled out next month #Thailand

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by anchadian

[Jeffr2]

My friend is scheduled for early June.  Free.  AZ jab.

[friendofthai]

Sounds fantastic. Is it possible to choose the Chinese vaccine, not the British one?

[treetops]

A day later and June has already changed to August.  Nuts.

[ThaiPauly]

What/ Who to believe ????

 

How frustrating  for us!

[ThaiPauly]

21 hours ago, friendofthai said:

Sounds fantastic. Is it possible to choose the Chinese vaccine, not the British one?

Out of interest  why would you prefer the Chinese one to the British  one?

[friendofthai]

5 hours ago, ThaiPauly said:

Out of interest  why would you prefer the Chinese one to the British  one?

Shanghai is my favorite traveling destination. It is necessary to be vaccinated with Sinovac if you want to get Chinese visa, for example in the Chinese consulate in Phuket (now temporarily closed).

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, friendofthai said:

Shanghai is my favorite traveling destination. It is necessary to be vaccinated with Sinovac if you want to get Chinese visa, for example in the Chinese consulate in Phuket (now temporarily closed).

IMHO, not the best reason to get an inferior vaccination.

[friendofthai]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

IMHO, not the best reason to get an inferior vaccination.

IMHO, vaccines are not rocket science. This is a 200 year old thing.
If we had discussed an anti-flu vaccine here 2 years ago, you would not even ask anything about the source of this anti-flu vaccine. Just like you never ask where the sugar in your cup of coffee came from. You never argue that Chinese sugar is an inferior sugar and every cup of coffee should contain only finest British sugar.
I think the western politicians should find other things for competitions and let the world just get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, friendofthai said:

IMHO, vaccines are not rocket science. This is a 200 year old thing.
If we had discussed an anti-flu vaccine here 2 years ago, you would not even ask anything about the source of this anti-flu vaccine. Just like you never ask where the sugar in your cup of coffee came from. You never argue that Chinese sugar is an inferior sugar and every cup of coffee should contain only finest British sugar.
I think the western politicians should find other things for competitions and let the world just get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

mRNA is rocket science.  Do some research on it.  It's new tech, and not 200 years old.  Far better than traditional jabs, far easier to make, and can be done much faster.

 

P.S. this isn't the flu.

[friendofthai]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

mRNA is rocket science

It is a delivery method for an immunogen.
It is like you can choose a very expensive delivery method for Som Tam from an Isan shop - supersonic air crafts or so. But finally you will get the same old good som tam.

[ThaiPauly]

4 hours ago, friendofthai said:

IMHO, vaccines are not rocket science. This is a 200 year old thing.
If we had discussed an anti-flu vaccine here 2 years ago, you would not even ask anything about the source of this anti-flu vaccine. Just like you never ask where the sugar in your cup of coffee came from. You never argue that Chinese sugar is an inferior sugar and every cup of coffee should contain only finest British sugar.
I think the western politicians should find other things for competitions and let the world just get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

You can mess about with sugar

It's not as important  as your life.

Whatever your connection to China  it's a known fact that products sourced from there are inferior to what you can procure in the west 

Please reconsider friend ????

[Sheryl]

27 minutes ago, ThaiPauly said:

Whatever your connection to China  it's a known fact that products sourced from there are inferior to what you can procure in the west 

 

 

The Sinovac vaccine Phase II  trails were not conducted in China, but in 4 other countries, overseen by very well qualified scientists of several different nationalities.

 

The Special Advisory Group that recently reviewed the evidence are a multi-national panel of outstanding experts - none of them Chinese.

 

A knee jerk "it must be bad because it is Chinese made" response is ill informed and quite harmful in what is already an environment of public distrust.

[Jeffr2]

17 hours ago, friendofthai said:

It is a delivery method for an immunogen.
It is like you can choose a very expensive delivery method for Som Tam from an Isan shop - supersonic air crafts or so. But finally you will get the same old good som tam.

You should do some research on mRNA vaccines.  It's SciFi stuff.  Amazing and probably the future of vaccines.  If CV19 did one thing, it boosted this development.

[Kiujunn]

20 hours ago, friendofthai said:

vaccines are not rocket science. This is a 200 year old thing.

Sinovac is a 200 year old thing, well tested and proven technology.

mRNA vaccines are rocket science. 

 

I would very much prefer to be vaccinated with an old-style vaccine,  not scifi.

15 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Sinovac vaccine Phase II  trails were not conducted in China, but in 4 other countries,

The results were extremely different in every study,  and there has never been a good explanation for this. 

All studies are from countries that China could easily buy off if it wanted (I cannot imagine China would do something like this, just read up on 1MDB).

Indonesia and WHO recently confirmed effectiveness.  But WHO was hesitant about possible side effects. 

 

Sinovac has a history of vaccine scandals in China, so it started with a bad reputaion.

The reputation of China and Chinese made products doesn't help. 

 

I would be very, very reluctant to let anything made in China into my body (remember valsartan?), let alone a vaccine. 

 

Thankfully,  I don't have to decide this dilemma for myself. The Thai government has clearly stated, if, when and how I will be vaccinated.

I will fly somewhere else. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Kiujunn

[Sheryl]

Just now, Kiujunn said:

Indonesia and WHO recently confirmed effectiveness.  But WHO was hesitant about possible side effects. 

 

 

 

 

 

The SAGE (strategic Advisory Group of Experts ---  an independent multinational panel of experts)  found adequate evidence that the  risk of serious adverse events is low in adults aged under 60. They found that there was as yet insufficient data on adverse effects in those over 60.

[Kiujunn]

3 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

The SAGE (strategic Advisory Group of Experts ---  an independent multinational panel of experts)  found adequate evidence that the  risk of serious adverse events is low in adults aged under 60. They found that there was as yet insufficient data on adverse effects in those over 60.

When was that? Last 2 or 3 days?

AFAIK beginning of the week they were not yet convinced. 

[friendofthai]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You should do some research on mRNA vaccines.  It's SciFi stuff.  Amazing and probably the future of vaccines.  If CV19 did one thing, it boosted this development.

The final result is an immunogen produced from mRNA. And the immunogen is always an old-good protein which contains several fragments of viral proteins. Nothing more. The same thing as 200 years before.
What you see is the result of efforts of marketologists and advertising specialists. They definitely do things worse in order to sell more. For example, advertising specialists has spoiled so many tasty beverages in 7-eleven shops! When you see "High vitamin A B C D" on a bottle, what do you think? You think that this might be a very tasty drink. But in fact it has disgusting chemical aftertaste. Because they simply buy the cheapest tiny vitamin tablet in pharmacy and add it to the drink.
The same thing we see with mRNA vaccines. We see the result of destructive efforts of marketologists and advertising specialists here. They use a fragile immunogen delivery system, which make the vaccine quite difficult to transport. Just to have an opportunity for a "rocket science" label on the product in order to sell more.

[Sheryl]

5 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

When was that? Last 2 or 3 days?

AFAIK beginning of the week they were not yet convinced. 

 

Report issued in Aprikl.

 

Nothing new. The media reports are not very accurate.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

The final result is an immunogen produced from mRNA. And the immunogen is always an old-good protein which contains several fragments of viral proteins. Nothing more. The same thing as 200 years before.
What you see is the result of efforts of marketologists and advertising specialists. They definitely do things worse in order to sell more. For example, advertising specialists has spoiled so many tasty beverages in 7-eleven shops! When you see "High vitamin A B C D" on a bottle, what do you think? You think that this might be a very tasty drink. But in fact it has disgusting chemical aftertaste. Because they simply buy the cheapest tiny vitamin tablet in pharmacy and add it to the drink.
The same thing we see with mRNA vaccines. We see the result of destructive efforts of marketologists and advertising specialists here. They use a fragile immunogen delivery system, which make the vaccine quite difficult to transport. Just to have an opportunity for a "rocket science" label on the product in order to sell more.

7-eleven?  Wow....hard to follow anything you post.

[Kiujunn]

Just now, Sheryl said:

 

Report issued in Aprikl.

 

Nothing new. The media reports are not very accurate.

When WHO didn't give Sinovac emergency approval (they did give it to Sinopharm) they gave very different reasons.  That was a week ago.

[friendofthai]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

7-eleven?  Wow....hard to follow anything you post.

What produce the immune response in your body is immunogen. Nothing has changed in the principles of the design of immunogen for vaccines. It is very simple to understand.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

What produce the immune response in your body is immunogen. Nothing has changed in the principles of the design of immunogen for vaccines. It is very simple to understand.

And yet that understanding seems to elude you.  Maybe it's available at FamilyMart?

[friendofthai]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

And yet that understanding seems to elude you.  Maybe it's available at FamilyMart?

I don't see any objections so far.

[Kiujunn]

BTW farmer's kid is just listening to some guy in a suit, propaganda for Sinovac and is telling me right now:

 

Sinovac needs only one injection (not true).

It is good for young and old (not true).

You either get Sinovac or you get Covid and die.

 

So this is what they tell Thai people. 

Interesting that AZ wasn't mentioned. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Kiujunn

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, friendofthai said:

I don't see any objections so far.

You might want to read this.  I think it would help.

 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/mrna-technology-promises-revolutionize-future-vaccines-and-treatments-cancer-infectious-diseases

 

mRNA technology promises to revolutionize future vaccines and treatments for cancer, infectious diseases

 

More than 80 million Americans have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes COVID-19 — using the game-changing possibilities of mRNA technology. And while some people worry that the technology has been “rushed,” for more than 25 years university labs have been exploring the use of RNA, rather than viruses, to build the body’s immunity against diseases.

 

“The vaccine field has been forever transformed and forever advanced because of COVID-19,” says Dan Barouch, MD, PhD, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard Medical School.

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

BTW farmer's kid is just listening to some guy in a suit, propaganda for Sinovac and is telling me right now:

 

Sinovac needs only one injection (not true).

It is good for young and old (not true).

You either get Sinovac or you get Covid and die.

 

So this is what they tell Thai people. 

Interesting that AZ wasn't mentioned. 

That's not what they're telling the Thai people I know...not sure what you're on about....

[Sheryl]

17 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

When WHO didn't give Sinovac emergency approval (they did give it to Sinopharm) they gave very different reasons.  That was a week ago.

 

Source?

 

I have not seen any public announcement by WHO giving reasons for not (yet) given emergency authorizatioin.  Only the announcement of the approval of Sinopharm.

 

WHO does not generally make public announcements about a vaccine for which they have not issued emergency approval. Rather they will have communicated back to the manufacturer reasons/additional information needed, and the detailed findings will be found in SAGE report.

 

Are you sure you are nto confusing media reports based on the SAGE report with an actual WHO statement?

[EricTh]

16 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

The Sinovac vaccine Phase II  trails were not conducted in China, but in 4 other countries, overseen by very well qualified scientists of several different nationalities.

 

The Special Advisory Group that recently reviewed the evidence are a multi-national panel of outstanding experts - none of them Chinese.

 

A knee jerk "it must be bad because it is Chinese made" response is ill informed and quite harmful in what is already an environment of public distrust.

 

Thailand has also done its own study and released in Bangkok Post today. It seems that Sinovac is as effective as Astrazeneca. 

 

 

 

 

 

[EricTh]

22 hours ago, friendofthai said:

IMHO, vaccines are not rocket science. This is a 200 year old thing.
If we had discussed an anti-flu vaccine here 2 years ago, you would not even ask anything about the source of this anti-flu vaccine. Just like you never ask where the sugar in your cup of coffee came from. You never argue that Chinese sugar is an inferior sugar and every cup of coffee should contain only finest British sugar.
I think the western politicians should find other things for competitions and let the world just get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

 

From the comments that I read, it's just pure propaganda that all products from a certain country are inferior.

 

The immune response of Sinovac is slower because it is less toxic, giving the body more time to build up than Astrazeneca. So I actually prefer a slower buildup but the end result is the same after the second shot.

 

I can't link to Bangkokpost for that article but it was conducted by Chulalongkorn University in Thailand which is of course not as biased as some other countries.

 

I'm not keen on all these untested mRNA vaccines with possible long term side effects. I'm interested only in inactivated virus vaccines but that isn't provided by any western vaccines. So far, only Sinovac and Sinopharm contains the inactivated virus technology.

 

China also has another mRNA vaccine coming up but I won't take that one either. I prefer the tested traditional method.

Edited May 16, 2021 by EricTh